Maine/Griz Game

Robcat · Post by **Robcat** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:28 pm

I am envious that the Griz have there first game this weekend. Should be a barn burner. Maine 36 Griz 29. The griz will be without Ochs and Hauck will play very conservative with Disney as QB. It will be a lateral game with Griz running sideways, going nowhere forward and burning up the clock.

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Cat-theotherwhitemeat · Post by **Cat-theotherwhitemeat** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:37 pm

Robcat wrote:I am envious that the Griz have there first game this weekend. Should be a barn burner. Maine 36 Griz 29. The griz will be without Ochs and Hauck will play very conservative with Disney as QB. It will be a lateral game with Griz running sideways, going nowhere forward and burning up the clock.

Sorry, Ochs is starting (according to Hauck and the official website). And, judging by the Griz fans that have seen the practices, Disney has looked much better than last year and has renewed confidence. Not that this is going to change your prediction, but I thought you'd like some more info.

Robcat · Post by **Robcat** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:48 pm

Sorry, I thought Ochs was still hurt. Maine 36, Griz 33. It will be a high scoring game and a Bear fight to the end. However, I will still predict that Disney will be the main QB. Sorry its just a gut feeling.

Cat-theotherwhitemeat · Post by **Cat-theotherwhitemeat** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:56 pm

Robcat wrote:Sorry, I thought Ochs was still hurt. Maine 36, Griz 33. It will be a high scoring game and a Bear fight to the end. However, I will still predict that Disney will be the main QB. Sorry its just a gut feeling.

At least we got it down to 3 points.

My prediction: Griz 34 Black Bears 17

Robcat · Post by **Robcat** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:10 pm

CTOW, and all the Griz fans, it still should be fun and good luck. We will discuss the outcome on Monday. I hope I am wrong. GO CATS.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:22 pm

Cat-theotherwhitemeat wrote:
Robcat wrote:I am envious that the Griz have there first game this weekend. Should be a barn burner. Maine 36 Griz 29. The griz will be without Ochs and Hauck will play very conservative with Disney as QB. It will be a lateral game with Griz running sideways, going nowhere forward and burning up the clock.
Sorry, Ochs is starting (according to Hauck and the official website). And, judging by the Griz fans that have seen the practices, Disney has looked much better than last year and has renewed confidence. Not that this is going to change your prediction, but I thought you'd like some more info.

Just have a HUNCH still Disney is gonna start. 1) They know some Griz fans probably won't make the trip if Oches is hurt .. could hurt their sellout 2) I think I know Hauck to think that they think what he thinks that he knows the he thinks they think .. yada yada

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I think Hauck is trying to be CUTE and I'll call his Bluff that Disney is starting. Lets see if Hauck is a poker player or not

Robcat · Post by **Robcat** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:40 pm

Cardiac, I am on the same road as you. We should start a pool I think we would be the big winners. Sorry Griz fans.

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Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:44 pm

I completely agree that Hauck does these sort of Jedi mind tricks - it worked against Idaho, but nothing past that.

If I were coach, I prepare for UM the same regardless of who is the starting QB - stop the run, force them to beat you with the pass, pressure the QB. I definitly dont pay attention to what is written in the papers and said in the news about starting lineups and injury reports. Any good coach does this, thus Bobby, you arent fooling anyone - no matter who starts.

That being said, I do sincerly wish UM good luck against Maine this weekend. I'd rather our ugly cousin to the west beat anyone outside conference.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:51 pm

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think Ochs is over-rated by most Griz fans. Maybe I'm wrong and when healthy, he'll tear things up. I'll have to see that one to believe it. I also Disney can be pretty good when he finally settles into his groove. Long story short, I don't care who the QB is, I will pull for the Griz (Won't scream till I'm blue in the face or anything, but I gotta pull for the Sky). However, I'm not feeling this one. From the little bit I've read on Maine, I think they're a legit contender this year. I also think they're coach will do a better job of preparing his team to start their brutal 4-game opening out by knocking off the #3 team. I think mistakes will be the difference, with Montana's younger guys or coaches making the majority. Just my Opinion!

Maine 24, Griz 20.

grizhatr · Post by **grizhatr** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 4:20 pm

I agree with both of you, in that Ochs probably won't be playing the entire game. I know that there is so much hype on this guy, and all we have seen is injury upon injury. He has got to be the most accident prone, or bettter yet, the most tender quarterback ever to play the game. For god's sake, how do you fall backwards, land on your thumb, and get it hurt that bad? Did he fall and stick it in his@@ss! Anyway, his health has always been an issue. From what I understand, Colorado wouldn't reinstate him because of concussion issues. That in my book, just goes to show you that the Griz program is an "all or nothing". Who cares about some young guys head. I do hope things turn out for Ochs, but with the first game this weekend, it will be a long damn season if its starting out like it is. Good luck to the Griz.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:35 pm

CARDIAC_CATS wrote:
Cat-theotherwhitemeat wrote:
Robcat wrote:I am envious that the Griz have there first game this weekend. Should be a barn burner. Maine 36 Griz 29. The griz will be without Ochs and Hauck will play very conservative with Disney as QB. It will be a lateral game with Griz running sideways, going nowhere forward and burning up the clock.
Sorry, Ochs is starting (according to Hauck and the official website). And, judging by the Griz fans that have seen the practices, Disney has looked much better than last year and has renewed confidence. Not that this is going to change your prediction, but I thought you'd like some more info.

Just have a HUNCH still Disney is gonna start. 1) They know some Griz fans probably won't make the trip if Oches is hurt .. could hurt their sellout quote]

Are you kidding??

Wash-Griz was sold out when Hartman started.........

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 4:05 pm

I don't know, Nick. 1500 tickets from the student allotment were still available as of this AM. Apparently, students are none too thrilled with having to pay $7 extra per game for a griz ticket to pay off the incompetent administration's million-dollar debt. I was really surprised when I heard they were going to do that to the students. I would have thought that a $3-5 charge would have been met with MUCH less opposition.

To go off on a quick tangent, it really pisses me off when I hear/read that students are not getting "free" tickets anymore. All students pay a great deal of money for their tickets. Not getting charged extra is quite different from getting something free.

**Bozone stepping off soapbox**

Edit: They are putting these 1,500 tickets up for sale at $23/ticket to the general public. Good luck with that!

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:40 pm

As a current student at MSU, I would be, well, less than thrilled if I had to pay to get into games. I am on a very tight budget as is.

I'm sure I'd still go to all the games, but I know many many students who wouldn't.

Post by **rtb** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:29 am

Being a recent former student I am really glad we didn't have to pay for tickets as well, but I would have done it. When students get charged for tickets it is usually a sign that your team is making it to the big time(or your A.D. can't run a calculator). I have friends around the country at some big programs and you should see what they pay. Season tickets for students at Iowa are $105, at USC they are $125 and that doesn't include the UCLA game it is an extra $30/per student and at Ohio State I have heard their student season ticket is $185. So if students have to pay $5 per game for a ticket sometime in the near future, it could be a lot worse!

soccertodd · Post by **soccertodd** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:32 pm

rtb wrote:Season tickets for students at Iowa are $105, at USC they are $125 and that doesn't include the UCLA game it is an extra $30/per student and at Ohio State I have heard their student season ticket is $185.

Ok, you can't be serious. You are actually comparing the Griz program to Iowa, USC, and Ohio State. Now that is funny.

Post by **rtb** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:45 pm

soccertodd wrote:
rtb wrote:Season tickets for students at Iowa are $105, at USC they are $125 and that doesn't include the UCLA game it is an extra $30/per student and at Ohio State I have heard their student season ticket is $185.
Ok, you can't be serious. You are actually comparing the Griz program to Iowa, USC, and Ohio State. Now that is funny.

Are you kidding me? It is amazing how things are taken out of context. I am saying that while it sucks to have to pay for a ticket as a student, when you have to pay for a ticket it usually means your program is going in the right direction. I AM SAYING "Hopefully the laws of supply and demand require Montana State University to charge students for tickets someday in the near future"

soccertodd · Post by **soccertodd** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:20 pm

I completely disagree. No matter how much of a demand is on tickets I don't believe the schools should ever charge students. They pay a lot of money to go to school there and students deserve to go to the games without having to pay money. This is especially true at programs like Montana and Montana State. To me, all this means is that Montana is starting to think their football team is more important than the students and that's a shame. I feel sorry for the UM students who are getting screwed. At the same time, I do understand that they are just trying to make some money off the team but I wish it didn't have to be that way.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:11 am

soccertodd wrote:I completely disagree. No matter how much of a demand is on tickets I don't believe the schools should ever charge students. They pay a lot of money to go to school there and students deserve to go to the games without having to pay money. This is especially true at programs like Montana and Montana State. To me, all this means is that Montana is starting to think their football team is more important than the students and that's a shame. I feel sorry for the UM students who are getting screwed. At the same time, I do understand that they are just trying to make some money off the team but I wish it didn't have to be that way.

The way I look at it, students don't really "deserve" to go to the games based only on the fact that they go to school there. They are paying for an education, not admission to sporting events (and if they are in-state students, they are only paying a part of the true cost of the education). That being said, they are an integral part of the college sports atmosphere, which is why I think everyone is in favor of having as many students at the games as possible and want the cost to the students as low as possible. Students do, in fact, pay for their tickets now via the athletic fees. These vary school to school, and some schools also charge nominal amounts for individual tickets and some don't. I guess it is more obvious that students are being charged when there is a per-ticket price, but that charge could simply be making up for a lower athletic fee.

This takes us to the next question -- capitalism or socialism? Is it better to charge all students (even those who don't want to go to the games) a higher athletic fee, or is it better to keep the general athletic fee lower, and then charge the actual users of the tickets a small fee on a per-ticket basis?

I don't know how you come to the argument that charging students would show that the state cares more about football than the students -- it's not really an either/or situation. Both the educational and athletic expenses have to be paid. The state (and individual, federal, and corporate donors) are taking care of a large part of the students' education, and various sources (including the students, but primarily private donors and ticket buyers) pay for athletics.

I agree with rtb that it would be nice if someday soon the economics of the situation put MSU in the situation that called for charging students to get into games based on supply and demand. That only means that the school could raise that additional revenue if they chose to take it. When that time comes, though, I am sure the non-student ticket prices will be raised much faster (rightfully so) instead. But, it would be nice to have Bobcat tickets as such a scarce commodity that we could say that we are leaving money on the table to the benefit of the MSU students.

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