it is official...swogger a griz

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:04 pm

Once again, these blanket generalizations that "all Cat fans.." blah blah blah, are disappointing. I'll say it for the third time this thread...I think this is a good pick up for the Griz.

If you don't stop with the generalizations, I will have to lump you in with ALL the Griz fans I know. Who are ALL arrogant.

OK - Thank you.

Now ....since this thread is not about "Bobcat Athletics", can we move it to the "College Sports World"?

After re-reading my post, I'm wondering if I need a little Christmas Vacation (I'm usually not that cranky).
Oh well.....Bah Humbug.

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:07 pm

Allow me to try and straighten your Griz logic
1)the phrase "wouldn't go that route" refers to a transfer QB with one year left...the Cats did in fact bring in the transfer at the position, he has two years left.
2)MSU certainly did want him, it was a majority of forum posters who were against the idea, mostly due to the 1 yr eligibility
3)I don't believe at any time did he get "ripped" by anyone. People were turned off by the fact he was indecisive and seemedto revel in the added attention and this situation was probably fanned by eguin's constant posting that he knew where Swogger was going and the rumors were wrong
Hoped that helped you

SeeHarg · Post by **SeeHarg** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:46 pm

duelalumnicat wrote:"The 6-foot-5 Swogger has a strong arm and marginal mobility"

"Marginal mobility." Merry Christmas Clive Lowe and Bobby Daly.

Yeah! All he's faced up til now has been guys like Frostee Rucker, Mike Patterson, Lofa Tatupu, Bill Swancutt, and Haloti Ngata. I imagine he'll positively wilt under the amazing level of pressure brought to bear by a couple of unremarkable denizens of a shiddy perennial Big Sky Conference also-ran.

LOLLERSCOPTERBBQ!!!1!!1!!ONE

Seriously, the poor kid couldn't even hang onto the starting job at WSU. Sure, they're PAC-10, but they're ****** abysmal. Even with one of the best running backs in the country and some absolute studs on defense, they barely posted junk wins against non-conference crap clubs like Idaho, and barely got their single win against hapless Washington in a weak PAC-10. And this is who's supposed to cure the woes in Missoula? Chances are, if Clive and Bobby want to hit him in November, they'll have to seek him out on the sideline and knock the clipboard outta his hand first.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:32 am

Sorry, harg, but no matter how bad Swogger was at WSU, he's still better than either Washington or Bergquist. The only guy with a shot at beating him out is Stapp, and he's pretty much an unknown at this point.

I wonder if Doba regrets letting Michael Riley go off to Central Washington, where he promptly broke a bunch of Jon Kitna's records in his first season and will likely give Cat and griz fans a reason to be unhappy with our coaches when Riley shows his stuff vs the Griz next year.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:08 am

GrizinWashington wrote:This whole thread is unbelievable. First, all the cat fans say they "wouldn't go that route", apparently talking about transfers. This is an odd statement from a fan base whose coach just talked about bringing in SEVEN JC receiver transfers!

Second, they go with the, "ahh, MSU never wanted him" claim, ignoring the fact he was offered $$.

Third, he gets ripped by BAC for giving THREE interviews because BAC thinks he should have said nothing. That too is very interesting considing BAC must have posted no less than 10 or 12 posts on this very thread about it. If he can't stop talking about it, why should Swogger, who is -- after all -- personally involved???!! No disrespect, BAC, but that's some flawed logic.

I have no idea if Swogs will be succussful, and I have mixed feelings about him as a Griz. But this thread is just too much.

Logic ... right. I posted that many times because I was being asked/harassed about it that many times ... not because I wanted to. I was more than happy to stop with one as I really don't care about this guy or this topic much at all.

IN FACT, the ONLY reason I posted at all was in response to a griz fan doing this same silly "you cat fans" stuff that you are now posting.

If you want to criticize someone for this thread, point at eastcoastgriz, who kept it going by repeatedly calling me out for having a different perception of the situation than he did ... just like you are.

"Just when I thought I was out ... they pull me back in!"
BAC

coachouert · Post by **coachouert** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:33 am

GrizinWashington wrote:This whole thread is unbelievable. First, all the cat fans say they "wouldn't go that route", apparently talking about transfers. This is an odd statement from a fan base whose coach just talked about bringing in SEVEN JC receiver transfers!

Second, they go with the, "ahh, MSU never wanted him" claim, ignoring the fact he was offered $$.

I have no idea if Swogs will be succussful, and I have mixed feelings about him as a Griz. But this thread is just too much.

First off, fans were talking about being weary of bringing in a one year left eligible quarterback as far as going that route. Most fans on here have said repeatedly that they would love to have players come in, but would feel more comfortable having someone with more than one season left. Example for the Cats, Mike Bass came in very highly spoken of, hurts his knee and is done with football. We don't know what he was really capable of because he was only here for one year and didn't play for most of that year. I'm all about transfers because of guys like Junior Adams, Gatewood, Guinn, Murray and many others, but they can blow up in your face just like freshman can to. Some are great, some flat out suck. To use Griz examples Ochs:Washington.

There is a huge difference between the FANS wanting a player and the COACHES wanting a player. The coaches do what is best of their team in their minds. We as fans, sit and analyze that (albeit sometimes a little too much). Any Cat fan on here who says that MSU as a team did not want Swogger apparently hasn't read a newspaper article because indeed the coaches did want him for the same reasons the Griz wanted him. However, me nor anyone else on this board were the ones to offer money to Swogger so there is a huge difference between FANS not wanting someone and COACHES wanting someone. I believe there are even some Griz fans that still do not want Swogger but that didn't seem to stop the coaches from giving him a scholarship and the number 1 spot going into spring ball. I hope the best for Josh as he sounds like a real stand up kind of person.

Finally, if this thread is getting a bit too much for you, feel free to look elsewhere. I believe you can access the UM site at www.egriz.com. Buh-Bye

grizindahouse · Post by **grizindahouse** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:37 am

Everyone keeps knocking Swogger becasue he was second string behind Brink on a terrible WSU team. But has anyone actually looked at the WSU offense. They averaged 33.5 points per game with 277.3 ysd per game in the air and 212.0 rushing. Alex Brink was 18th in 1-A in passing yards and 30th in passing efficiency. WSU may have finished with a poor record, but it was more due to a lack of defense, then a lack of offense.

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:40 am

grizindahouse wrote:Everyone keeps knocking Swogger becasue he was second string behind Brink on a terrible WSU team. But has anyone actually looked at the WSU offense. They averaged 33.5 points per game with 277.3 ysd per game in the air and 212.0 rushing. Alex Brink was 18th in 1-A in passing yards and 30th in passing efficiency. WSU may have finished with a poor record, but it was more due to a lack of defense, then a lack of offense.

Didn't Bowling Green have one of the best passing attacks in the nation last year? Who was their backup QB who ended up transferring????

Your logic is flawed.

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:08 pm

SeeHarg wrote:
duelalumnicat wrote:"The 6-foot-5 Swogger has a strong arm and marginal mobility"

"Marginal mobility." Merry Christmas Clive Lowe and Bobby Daly.
Yeah! All he's faced up til now has been guys like Frostee Rucker, Mike Patterson, Lofa Tatupu, Bill Swancutt, and Haloti Ngata. I imagine he'll positively wilt under the amazing level of pressure brought to bear by a couple of unremarkable denizens of a shiddy perennial Big Sky Conference also-ran.

LOLLERSCOPTERBBQ!!!1!!1!!ONE

Seriously, the poor kid couldn't even hang onto the starting job at WSU. Sure, they're PAC-10, but they're ****** abysmal. Even with one of the best running backs in the country and some absolute studs on defense, they barely posted junk wins against non-conference crap clubs like Idaho, and barely got their single win against hapless Washington in a weak PAC-10. And this is who's supposed to cure the woes in Missoula? Chances are, if Clive and Bobby want to hit him in November, they'll have to seek him out on the sideline and knock the clipboard outta his hand first.

Actually, he never faced Frostee Rucker at all and he was hurt last season when they faced Tatupu (isn't he on the Seahawks now?). Alex Brink did. He also never faced Haloti Ngata either as Ngata was hurt during the entire season last year and, once again, Brink was at the helm when Oregon played WSU this year. Swancutt, you might need to reconsider if he even went up against him. In fact, before his injury last year, he has played a minimal amount of time that would even be considered worthy of playing against the elite of the Pac 10.

He came into WSU hyped like no other and it was well-deserved. He was recruited as a Ryan Leaf caliber college QB sans the attitude. That foot injury he suffered early in the season last year changed his career 180 degrees. When they say "marginal" mobility, that's not a lie. With his talent, and if he was never hurt, no one would have heard much about Alex Brink at all.

Swogger might have considered staying around WSU but you will likely hear the name of Arkelon Hall challenging Brink for the starting spot and Gary Rogers (I think that's his last name) will be the 2nd string. Hall is better than Brink though he hasn't the experience yet and he took a redshirt this year.

If Swogger has to scramble, it won't be good....at all. If there's any type of line to protect him on pass plays, then he will have an arm to show off. He's certainly no Craig Ochs or Drew Miller for that matter.

grizindahouse · Post by **grizindahouse** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:46 pm

wbtfg wrote:
grizindahouse wrote:Everyone keeps knocking Swogger becasue he was second string behind Brink on a terrible WSU team. But has anyone actually looked at the WSU offense. They averaged 33.5 points per game with 277.3 ysd per game in the air and 212.0 rushing. Alex Brink was 18th in 1-A in passing yards and 30th in passing efficiency. WSU may have finished with a poor record, but it was more due to a lack of defense, then a lack of offense.
Didn't Bowling Green have one of the best passing attacks in the nation last year? Who was their backup QB who ended up transferring????

Your logic is flawed.

I did not state that Swogger was or would be good, but everyone wants to believe that WSU was awful, but offensively they were not. And Washington never saw the field at Bowling Green, while Swogger did see the field at WSU and an injury gave Brink the opportunity to play. It is very possible that without the injury, Swogger could still be at WSU.

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:53 pm

If the kid was good enough to supplant Brink on the field he would have. I somehow doubt they would keep playing a lesser player when trying to get Pac-10 wins

grizindahouse · Post by **grizindahouse** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:09 pm

catamaran wrote:If the kid was good enough to supplant Brink on the field he would have. I somehow doubt they would keep playing a lesser player when trying to get Pac-10 wins

I did not say he was better than Brink. I am saying that without the injury, Brink does not get on the field when he did. Also, even though Swogger was not playing, saying he is bad is wrong, when you consider he was behind a qurterback that was in the top 30 in most NCAA D-1 passing and offensive stats.

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:13 pm

I didn't ever see anyone call him bad, by all accounts he went to Wazzou with high praise. But with a 48% completion percentage, it doesn't compare to Brink's numbers

grizindahouse · Post by **grizindahouse** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:37 pm

catamaran wrote:I didn't ever see anyone call him bad, by all accounts he went to Wazzou with high praise. But with a 48% completion percentage, it doesn't compare to Brink's numbers

Let us compare the 2004 numbers were both Swogger and Brink played pretty much the same.

Brink 97-194-1305yd 50% 7TD 49rushes for -50yds
Swogger 91-193-1283yd 47.2% 13TD 28rushes for -31yds

Boy, those numbers look pretty darn similar to me.