Broke back Mountain , Broke back Mountain

Post by **rtb** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:59 am

I think the Zags will cry they got the shaft again even if they get a #1 seed as they might have to play the first round outside the state of Washington!!! However, I expect them to make it to the Elite 8 this year before their poor defensive play is exposed.

suckitgriz · Post by **suckitgriz** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:02 pm

I really never am a bandwagon type fan, but now living in Spokane it is hard not to like them. It is one of the best sports atmospheres that i have ever seen and the town is electric during basketball season. Plus, it is a good school, unlike the one 3 hrs. east of here. GO ZAGS!

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:42 pm

rtb wrote:I think the Zags will cry they got the shaft again even if they get a #1 seed as they might have to play the first round outside the state of Washington!!! However, I expect them to make it to the Elite 8 this year before their poor defensive play is exposed.

I actually like Gonzaga, but their team defense is horrible. They will lose before making it to the Elite 8, although I would love to see them prove me wrong and make it to a Final Four. Poor defense and relying too much on one guy will be their downfall, I'm afraid.

suckitgriz · Post by **suckitgriz** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:48 pm

If Derek starts scoring and Adam and JP come up big, they can go deep. Erroll Knight is one of the best defenders in the country and with a healthy Heyfelt back in the lineup- they could be dangerous. Plus Mallon (local guy) is starting to be a great roll player. Should be a fun finish- oh, by-the-way, they are young- next year they will be sweet too.

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:40 pm

Back to the topic.....

OK OK I get it. Sooooo... lets say a woman basketball player who maybe was asian, mix heritage, or maybe just a good suntan and dark hair was playing, and the crowd started shouting Pocahontas, Pocahontas, Pocahontas...... (a Disney movie) every time she got the ball it would be OK because they actually may not have her herritage right. If she was Native American, though, and we could prove that they all knew she was Native American, then it is wrong! Am I getting this right? Or is it if they think (with-out actually being able to confirm it from the stands) she is Native American and shout Pocahontas, Pocahontas, Pocahontas...... then that also wrong? In anycase if the crowd knows this same young lady is Asian let say, but they still shout Pocahontas, Pocahontas, Pocahontas...... just to get under her skin thats OK becuase it is just sport.

Sorry guy's ..... hang with me on this one....... this is one of those frick'n "Hated Liberals" triying to understand what will be acceptable when my daughter and son starts entering compedative sports.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:45 pm

I'm with ya, mslacat ... your analogy is perfect.

Post by **rtb** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:50 pm

Ok Mslacat I won't go as far as saying it is acceptable, but I don't find the Brokeback cheer offensive in the fact that they do it every game and just choose a player from the opposing team. If the said player was in fact gay and it was know that is when it becomes offensive to me.

So in your analogy I find that offensive in all cases.

I know, my logic doesn't make sense, but that is just how I see it. The Brokeback thing doesn't come across as offensive to me.

Post by **kmax** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:01 pm

I see msla's point and would tend to agree. I just don't see this as a good thing to be cheering.

But, at the same point, I also recognize that it is a bunch of 18-22 year old (mostly guys) doing it. They aren't worried about what is PC, they just want to have fun and get loud at a BBall game. In that light, I would have to say this shouldn't be getting as much attention as it is. It's kind of like in high school when the teachers would try to keep us from doing the "Bullsh!t" cheer when the refs made a bad call. Should we have been yelling that at the top of our lungs right next to all the little kids in the next section? Of course not, but we did and we had a blast doing it and could have cared less.

gtapp · Post by **gtapp** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:29 pm

College sports (and pro sports for that matter) is about heckling the opposition. Just about anything goes. Chanting Broke Back Mountain is very lame. When I was at MSU we were mostly an all White BBall team. When we played Eastern Montana (Billings) in the pre-season we chanted UU-AH AH, Ship em back to Africa. Eastern was an All-Black team. I am not talking about a few students. I mean 1000 fans screamin it for 5 minutes throughout the game.

Insensitive yes, but we did our part to mess with the other team. We didn't have anything against them personnally but we did whatever we could to help our team win. Still doesn't bother me to this day!

NeMTcat · Post by **NeMTcat** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:31 pm

I think the real reason those fans were chanting Broke Back Mountain was because it was their way of saying "I can't quit you."

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:34 pm

NeMTcat wrote:I think the real reason those fans were chanting Broke Back Mountain was because it was their way of saying "I can't quit you."

Now that is funny.

NeMTcat · Post by **NeMTcat** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:46 pm

And don't get me wrong...that in no way means I've watched the movie...I grew up on an eastern Montana ranch and firmly believe that no farmer/rancher in our region is that way. (Seinfeld correlation: "Not that there's anything wrong with that")

I didn't see the show, but how many of the guys who said on Oprah that the movie helped them come out of the gay pasture they were put out to were from Montana, Wyoming, etc?

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:48 pm

NeMTcat wrote:And don't get me wrong...that in no way means I've watched the movie...I grew up on an eastern Montana ranch and firmly believe that no farmer/rancher in our region is that way. (Seinfeld correlation: "Not that there's anything wrong with that")

I didn't see the show, but how many of the guys who said on Oprah that the movie helped them come out of the gay pasture they were put out to were from Montana, Wyoming, etc?

You watch/follow Oprah? (Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Billings_Griz · Post by **Billings_Griz** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:18 pm

I hope Adam gets to the next level. I grew up on NE Montana. His mom, Wanda, grew up 300 yrds from my house, she went to school w/ my older brothers. Father, John, went to school in Scobey. Know that family too.

He's a competitor, no doubting that.

Would like to see them get to the Final 4, but I doubt very much that will happen...they play no "D".

GrizinWashington · Post by **GrizinWashington** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:55 am

gtapp wrote:College sports (and pro sports for that matter) is about heckling the opposition. Just about anything goes. Chanting Broke Back Mountain is very lame. When I was at MSU we were mostly an all White BBall team. When we played Eastern Montana (Billings) in the pre-season we chanted UU-AH AH, Ship em back to Africa. Eastern was an All-Black team. I am not talking about a few students. I mean 1000 fans screamin it for 5 minutes throughout the game.

Insensitive yes, but we did our part to mess with the other team. We didn't have anything against them personnally but we did whatever we could to help our team win. Still doesn't bother me to this day!

How is this in the least bit acceptable????

Billings Cat · Post by **Billings Cat** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:18 am

gtapp wrote:College sports (and pro sports for that matter) is about heckling the opposition. Just about anything goes. Chanting Broke Back Mountain is very lame. When I was at MSU we were mostly an all White BBall team. When we played Eastern Montana (Billings) in the pre-season we chanted UU-AH AH, Ship em back to Africa. Eastern was an All-Black team. I am not talking about a few students. I mean 1000 fans screamin it for 5 minutes throughout the game.

Insensitive yes, but we did our part to mess with the other team. We didn't have anything against them personnally but we did whatever we could to help our team win. Still doesn't bother me to this day!

Almost unfathomable. That's not insensitive, that outright racism. And to try to justify it by saying, "We didn't have anything against them personally" is truly the height of delusional idiocy particularly when looking back on it as an adult. I wonder what the black players on the Cats thought about that chant?

PDXKat · Post by **PDXKat** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:27 am

gtapp wrote:College sports (and pro sports for that matter) is about heckling the opposition. Just about anything goes. Chanting Broke Back Mountain is very lame. When I was at MSU we were mostly an all White BBall team. When we played Eastern Montana (Billings) in the pre-season we chanted UU-AH AH, Ship em back to Africa. Eastern was an All-Black team. I am not talking about a few students. I mean 1000 fans screamin it for 5 minutes throughout the game.

Insensitive yes, but we did our part to mess with the other team. We didn't have anything against them personnally but we did whatever we could to help our team win. Still doesn't bother me to this day!

Gtapp I don't know you, but I'm hoping you're at least 90 years old! And one wonders why Montana has a bit of a "backwoods" stereotype?

NeMTcat · Post by **NeMTcat** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:08 pm

I know at the time there probably wasn't much of a black population in Billings (we're talking early 1900's for Gtapp, right)...but how was there not an outrageous beatdown of the Cat fans after the game that night?