Mini Brawl after Griz / PSU game

[whitetrashgriz]

LLSN,

I don't know what else I can do but continue to point to evidence from an objective source (the beat writer for the Viks). If that isn't enough to convince you, it's patently obvious I'll never get beyond your I-hate-the-Grizzly" blinders.

Well I'm not using the I-hate-the-griz blinders. This is the BobcatNation message board and it's you and a few other apologists trying to provide justification for the incident on our board. Note I haven't faulted either side but I do know that a punch was thrown by PSU first.

You're either blatantly ignoring or not looking into the fact nor reasoning of why a player from the winning team threw a punch AFTER HIS TEAM WON THE GAME. Make no mistake, there's no side that's right in this matter nor justified in the actions. If you can't at least acknowledge that both sides provoked each other (and quit trying to act like the griz players are devoid of any fault), then there's no point of arguing this.

It does take a lot of provocation to throw a punch at an opposing player, at least in my opinion. I'm just using common sense and not using it as an excuse to hate on your perfect ambassadors to the university you support.

I still haven't seen anything from anyone who was actually at the game (PSU, UM and press) that suggests any wrongdoing (fault, provocation, etc.) by a Griz player. Were this an MSU player that got punched, my first response certainly wouldn't be to argue that he must have deserved it (or why else would somebody punch him?), even if nobody else suggested that he did.

Although it does sound like the Griz fans that enjoy beating the "MSU fans say bad words" drum are going to either have to mute themselves on that point or never take their kids to a UM men's basketball game for fear that Larry K's vulgarity might "warp their fragile little minds."

I'm pretty sure I never said a Griz player deserved to be punched. What I did say is that this is two ugly incidents involving the Griz in three weeks. Now, some can believe that the Griz are perfect and that ISU and PSU acted violently towards them while WINNING THOSE GAMES. Why? Well, because they are evil kids who must also do physical harm to the mighty, pristine 2nd place Griz. Beating them on the court isn't enough gratification. Or, the contrary opinion is that some of us can see a pattern developing with one team, express our opinions, and subsequently get flamed for commenting on it on what is supposedly the MSU message board.

Do I have to remind people that Gatewood and Murray were called "thugs" for having a little bit of fun with the hokey Altitude player introductions during this year's Cat/Griz telecast? I can only imagine the outrage of Griz fans had they actually been involved in on-field altercations. Of course then their name would be Kerry Mullan, and they would be defending these actions because he was "provoked" by similar plays that weren't called.

Yet losing some respect for Kryskowiak for giving some college kid the red-ass treatment is "ridiculous", as is pointing out the Griz's physical style of play.

The Griz Kool-Aid is potent. Some of it is even seeping through the optic fibers into the BobcatNation servers.

i really dont have an opinion on this because no one is ever going to convince me that larry is a bad guy, especially with a picture. and no one is ever going to convince me that a psu guy just for fun decided to throw a ball at someone. i don't buy it. but, like what they say, the second guy always gets caught. we see it in football all the time. i'm not making excuses for anyone, but come on guys. i think we internet guys like to make things way bigger than they are. 10 guys are busting their asses trying to win. stuff gets said, elbows thrown, bodies flail. part of the game. all we know is a ball was thrown, as well as a punch. and one could easily say, "what made a guy throw a punch?" fair enough. but what we could easily ask,"what made a guy, make a guy,throw a punch?" and so on and so forth. point is, we have no clue. it's a physical game, and for all we know these guys could have been talking trash to one another from the first minute, and there could have been many cheap things that happened all game long. it happens guys. lets get over it.

[grizbeer]

PapaG you really need to watch the film before you pass judgement on Larry - the kids came after him, screaming at him. And Ponycat Larry was clearly responding to being yelled at by Coach Bone first, then the kid getting in his face screaming at him.

As far as the actual incident, it is difficult to tell what happened because a ref and others block the camera action. What we see is Criswell and a PSU player chasing down a loose ball at mid court and both players go sprawling. Criswell is laying on the court and a couple of PSU players walk by. Suddenly Criswell gets up from the floor and pushes PSU player #10, they shove, then another PSU players enters and throws a punch.

Because the camera is obstructed we can't tell if #10 intentionally hit Criswell in the head with the ball, but it does appear that the PSU player carried the ball at least a ways down the court before hitting Criswell with it.

If I had to guess I don't think he was trying to hit Criswell, but he certainly knew he was throwing the ball down towards him - probably an in-your-face kind of thing, and it unintentionally hit Criswell, who then understandably got up and went after the guy who threw the ball in his face. The player who threw the punch then was protecting his teammate from what would have looked like an unprovoked attack. The punch wasn't thrown because of something that happened earlier in the game, but because of Criswell going after PSU #10.

The bad part from UM standpoint is that if a ref had seen the player hit Criswell and Criswell hadn't responded PSU could have been assessed a T and UM would have had a chance to steal the game

[BR GRIZ]

All we ever hear from Griz fans is that "we take everybody's best shot". What we never see is why everyone gives it to them. Granted in football its because they have been good for a long time and it is warranted. Their success on the basketball court is fairly nill. Now why would teams bring it extra.....its because for at least a decade the Griz have been known as "dirty"...Just my 2c.

Griz BSC record against:
Team Griz Wins Griz Losses
EWU 26 14
ISU 61 32
MSU 52 46
NAU 49 25
PSU 13 7
Sac 17 4
WSU 43 54

Overall record against BSC teams: 347-261 - 2nd among current BSC teams (WSU 1st)
Overall Record against all teams: 686-509 - 2nd among BSC teams (WSU 1st)
Championship Game record: 22-21 - 2nd in BSC (WSU 1st)
Over the last 15 years (since 1991) The Griz have played in the NCAA tournament 5 times (most in the BSC), and have finished 1st in the regular season 3 times.

Granted that is not as dominating as the football team has been, but still the most NCAA tournament appearances over the last 15 years, and 2nd highest winning percentage in the BSC, with a winning BSC record against every team in the conference except WSU can hardly be considered nil.

cataraman = owned.

I'm talking all time, not just he BSC as that is fairly new, like most griz fans

That answers it. The success of Grizzly basketball is fairly nil based on their performance prior to 1963

[RobsPics]

Hi guys.

Just wanted to let you guys know, I took the pictures posted on the first page of this thread.

If you guys wanna see some MSU pics, I have some Womens volleyball pics here from a PSU v MSU game played last fall:
http://www.robspics.com/psu/volleyball/2005nov4/


later!

[Bleedinbluengold]

LLSN,

I don't know what else I can do but continue to point to evidence from an objective source (the beat writer for the Viks). If that isn't enough to convince you, it's patently obvious I'll never get beyond your I-hate-the-Grizzly" blinders.

Well I'm not using the I-hate-the-griz blinders. This is the BobcatNation message board and it's you and a few other apologists trying to provide justification for the incident on our board. Note I haven't faulted either side but I do know that a punch was thrown by PSU first.

You're either blatantly ignoring or not looking into the fact nor reasoning of why a player from the winning team threw a punch AFTER HIS TEAM WON THE GAME. Make no mistake, there's no side that's right in this matter nor justified in the actions. If you can't at least acknowledge that both sides provoked each other (and quit trying to act like the griz players are devoid of any fault), then there's no point of arguing this.

It does take a lot of provocation to throw a punch at an opposing player, at least in my opinion. I'm just using common sense and not using it as an excuse to hate on your perfect ambassadors to the university you support.

I still haven't seen anything from anyone who was actually at the game (PSU, UM and press) that suggests any wrongdoing (fault, provocation, etc.) by a Griz player. Were this an MSU player that got punched, my first response certainly wouldn't be to argue that he must have deserved it (or why else would somebody punch him?), even if nobody else suggested that he did.

Although it does sound like the Griz fans that enjoy beating the "MSU fans say bad words" drum are going to either have to mute themselves on that point or never take their kids to a UM men's basketball game for fear that Larry K's vulgarity might "warp their fragile little minds."

I'm pretty sure I never said a Griz player deserved to be punched. What I did say is that this is two ugly incidents involving the Griz in three weeks. Now, some can believe that the Griz are perfect and that ISU and PSU acted violently towards them while WINNING THOSE GAMES. Why? Well, because they are evil kids who must also do physical harm to the mighty, pristine 2nd place Griz. Beating them on the court isn't enough gratification. Or, the contrary opinion is that some of us can see a pattern developing with one team, express our opinions, and subsequently get flamed for commenting on it on what is supposedly the MSU message board.

Do I have to remind people that Gatewood and Murray were called "thugs" for having a little bit of fun with the hokey Altitude player introductions during this year's Cat/Griz telecast? I can only imagine the outrage of Griz fans had they actually been involved in on-field altercations. Of course then their name would be Kerry Mullan, and they would be defending these actions because he was "provoked" by similar plays that weren't called.

Yet losing some respect for Kryskowiak for giving some college kid the red-ass treatment is "ridiculous", as is pointing out the Griz's physical style of play.

The Griz Kool-Aid is potent. Some of it is even seeping through the optic fibers into the BobcatNation servers.

i really dont have an opinion on this because no one is ever going to convince me that larry is a bad guy, especially with a picture. and no one is ever going to convince me that a psu guy just for fun decided to throw a ball at someone. i don't buy it. but, like what they say, the second guy always gets caught. we see it in football all the time. i'm not making excuses for anyone, but come on guys. i think we internet guys like to make things way bigger than they are. 10 guys are busting their asses trying to win. stuff gets said, elbows thrown, bodies flail. part of the game. all we know is a ball was thrown, as well as a punch. and one could easily say, "what made a guy throw a punch?" fair enough. but what we could easily ask,"what made a guy, make a guy,throw a punch?" and so on and so forth. point is, we have no clue. it's a physical game, and for all we know these guys could have been talking trash to one another from the first minute, and there could have been many cheap things that happened all game long. it happens guys. lets get over it.

totally agree. Competative guys play with emotion and passion. Sometimes emotions get the better part of logic. I like the passion. We need more of that in sports...not more PC.

[Swilly3224]

Gonzaga is overrated