Griz scared of the road?

JahGriz · Post by **JahGriz** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:40 am

Wolf please get it together man. If you ever bother to pay attention, I'm not a sugar coater. I just don't go off on Hauck on the boards, Phen, I have wen't off on, but that just isn't what I do normally on the boards. Now with friends, who know way more than you, it is a different story. I've been around football my entire life, and have a few relatives and friends who are coaches. So don't act like you know football, I know people who know football, and it is obvious you don't, no offence. You don't have to be an expert to love the game. But you do need to know what you are talking about if you don't wan't to sound like an idiot.

Grizomatic · Post by **Grizomatic** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:27 am

Wolfman wrote:... i'll find a new to team to root for.

Should a decision like that be made, I'm sure there would be a lot of broken hearts on many football message boards across the country when they realize all the objectivity, and insight you bring to a discussion is now lost. I feel sorry for those unappreciative, malcontents that don't have your football knowledge. They never really knew what they had 'till it was gone, huh?

Have you ever made a post that didn't mention Hauck?

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:55 am

I mention Hauck in many posts. He is THE PROBLEM with Grizzly football. I want him GONE, and I want him GONE NOW! I will not relent until UM does what Georgia Southern and Northern Colorado does.......fire the head coach and their entire staff! Did I make that clear enough so even you might understand it, Gizmo?

Objectivity is my credo. You certainly have none of it, that's for sure. You've got your nose firmly implanted up Hauck's *ss.

As for you Jah, your fooltball dosier doesn't impress me, or anyone else. I've forgotten more about football than you'll ever know. Your boy, Hauck, never played football, and you think he's a genius. Get a clue before spewing.

JahGriz · Post by **JahGriz** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:56 am

- good one wolf, nice football talk. I can really see your depth of knowledge. Blah, ignore button pressed.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:20 pm

Jah, you would be out of your football depth in a parking lot puddle.

whitetrashgriz · Post by **whitetrashgriz** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:23 pm

Wolfman wrote:I mention Hauck in many posts. He is THE PROBLEM with Grizzly football. I want him GONE, and I want him GONE NOW! I will not relent until UM does what Georgia Southern and Northern Colorado does.......fire the head coach and their entire staff! Did I make that clear enough so even you might understand it, Gizmo?

Objectivity is my credo. You certainly have none of it, that's for sure. You've got your nose firmly implanted up Hauck's *ss.

As for you Jah, your fooltball dosier doesn't impress me, or anyone else. I've forgotten more about football than you'll ever know. Your boy, Hauck, never played football, and you think he's a genius. Get a clue before spewing.

just my opinion, but you choosing not to relent isn't going to have anything to do with whatever coaching decisions are or are not made at um. i promise that the decision-makers dont go to egriz and bobcatnation and get our insight. and i'd be willing to wager that was also the case at georgia southern and northern colorado. not relenting is a ok thing, but i'm baffled how you seem to turn any post into huack bashing. it just get's tired. on a positive note, when someone creates the "what do you think of huack" thread, you wont have to bother posting.

Grizomatic · Post by **Grizomatic** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:51 am

Wolfman wrote:I mention Hauck in many posts. He is THE PROBLEM with Grizzly football. I want him GONE, and I want him GONE NOW! I will not relent until UM does what Georgia Southern and Northern Colorado does.......fire the head coach and their entire staff! Did I make that clear enough so even you might understand it, Gizmo?

Objectivity is my credo. You certainly have none of it, that's for sure. You've got your nose firmly implanted up Hauck's *ss.

As for you Jah, your fooltball dosier doesn't impress me, or anyone else. I've forgotten more about football than you'll ever know. Your boy, Hauck, never played football, and you think he's a genius. Get a clue before spewing.

I need no further clarification about how you feel toward Hauck. I, along with many others, get it. I got your point of view early on, after reading your posts on eGriz, and the Unofficial Board.

I do give you credit for sticking with what you believe concerning BH... you do remain consistent in that regard.

I don't claim to have anything close to your knowledge of football, it just looks, and sounds like you could put it to better use. If you are choosing to use what you have in a campaign to oust Hauck, that's your deal.

Irregardless of where my nose is, or isn't regarding Hauck...I happen to like the guy as a person, and a coach. He was 21/7 in his first 2 years, Don Read was 12/9. Maybe not the best criteria for judging a coach, but it's good enough for this sugar coating fan.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:03 am

grizo, you need to figure out who your addressing in youir post, before you start pontificating to me.

I am Wolfman. I used to post on wsugar.com, board of the infirmed, board of the clueless, until I was kicked off by the un-Americans who run that board.

I have never posted on the "Unofficial Board. I don't have time to post on every board out there. I have been told that there is a poster on that board using my Wolfman screen name. But, I assure you it is not me, Get that straight.

Grizomatic · Post by **Grizomatic** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:28 pm

Wolfman wrote: I have never posted on the "Unofficial Board. I don't have time to post on every board out there. I have been told that there is a poster on that board using my Wolfman screen name. But, I assure you it is not me, Get that straight.

OK, I've got it straight, and glad you took the time to point out that it isn't you posting on the Unofficial Board.

No matter where posts are made, I've alway thought if it sounded like Wolfman, and posts like Wolfman, there's a good chance it is Wolfman, and with that, I'm sure you can see why there was an error made on my part. But lacking objectivity will do that to a person.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:54 pm

Why, because the guy on the other board thinks Hauck stinks too? I've got a clue for ya. There are thousands of us out here.

Grizomatic · Post by **Grizomatic** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:34 am

Wolfman wrote:Why, because the guy on the other board things Hauck stinks too? I've got a clue for ya. There are thousands of us out here.

Looks like you two should join forces, what with the strength in numbers thing.

Maybe you'll get your mission accomplished, and be happy. It can't hurt, seems like you both "things" the same way.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:42 am

So Griz, do YOU think Bobby Hauck is a good football coach? Are YOU satisfied with the product he is putting on the field? Do YOU think our offense is a IAA quality offense?

If not, then why do you continue to support Hauck? It looks like he is gonna stick with his *sshole buddy, Phenicie as O-coordinator. How can you support this?

Will it be acceptible to you to lose to the Cats yet again next season? At what point do you jump on the "Dump Hauck" bandwagon?

grizindahouse · Post by **grizindahouse** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:48 am

Wolfman, have you decided what team you are going to root for now? By the way, my take on the offense....the Griz do not have a quarterback able to run it. This in my opinion is the fault of the coaches because 1) they need to run an offense that the players a capable, and 2) shows that they have failed to recruit a qb that is capable to do what they want to do. Does this inherently make the offense bad...NO, it just show that the coaches are not good enough to mold the offense to the players.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:13 am

Typical spin job by a fan who will not admit the obvious. Who gives a rat's arse whether it's the cesign of the offense, or the fact that the coaches didn't recruit the right players to run the offense.

The results are still the same....the OFFENSE SUCKS. And, the blame is the same.........the COACHES! Get this 3-ringed circus out of Missoula and get some real coaches in here who are worthy of coaching at the most elite IAA program in the nation.

grizindahouse · Post by **grizindahouse** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:19 am

Wolfman, I still want to know who you are rooting for next year? I was not spinning anything. I stated that I believe coaching is a problem, and that the staff is very poor at making changes, and recruiting players that can do what they want them to do (QB). I guess you enjoy ripping everyone, even if they agree with you.

Grizomatic · Post by **Grizomatic** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:55 pm

Wolfman wrote:So Griz, do YOU think Bobby Hauck is a good football coach? Are YOU satisfied with the product he is putting on the field? Do YOU think our offense is a IAA quality offense?

If not, then why do you continue to support Hauck? It looks like he is gonna stick with his *sshole buddy, Phenicie as O-coordinator. How can you support this?

Will it be acceptible to you to lose to the Cats yet again next season? At what point do you jump on the "Dump Hauck" bandwagon?

Yes, I think Bobby Hauck is a good football coach, and for the most part, I'm fairly satisfied with the product he's put on the field.

There were 3 separate occasions this past season that I wasn't satisfied with the results of that product, and I think it was the fault of the coaching staff. They were out coached, plain and simple on those occasions.

As far as our offense being I-AA quality, I think it is. It doesn't have a lot of the traits that some of past offenses have had, but as lame as this is about to sound, it's true...it helped get us at least 1 home playoff game. Am I satisfied with that? Not in the least, but I still think our offense can be rated as I-AA caliber.

I'll continue to support BH because I simply like the guy, his style of coaching, and the fact that he wins games, but this is just my opinion only. If the Griz start getting a couple of 6 - 5 seasons, will I still support him? Probably not, but it won't diminish my respect for him.

As a Griz fan, I don't think it's ever acceptable to lose to the Cats. But when it happens, I'll say it did because they fielded a better team, played harder, and wanted it more. I'll tip my hat to 'em, tell them enjoy it, maybe even bring up the streak, and tell them wait 'till next year.

As far as Hauck sticking with Phenicie as OC, well that's where my loyalty starts to waver a little bit. I feel about Phenicie, the same way you feel about BH, maybe not as strongly, and vocally, but the feeling is there. I think he should be gone as soon as possible, and have felt that way for quite a while.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:57 pm

InDahouse, why would you ask me a question like that? I'm a Griz fan, to the MAX. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. I have attended the past 4 NC games, in both Chatty and Huntington, and have flown to Spokane, and Sacramento to watch the Griz play on the road. I spend way too much time on this message board to NOT be a Griz fan.

Does this fact mean that I have to support Bobby Hauck, who is ruining this once-proud program? Not on your life. I will not sit here and contribute to his taking this program down. I would be a bad fan if I did so.

I think fans like Grizo are mis-guided. I believe that they lack the ability to see through the won/lost record, and figure out what is really going on here.

The Griz fans who think our program is on solid footing going into next season are living a wet dream. Grizzle talks about our "16 returning starters". Hell, Glenn left Hauck with 16 returning starters three years ago, plus new players Ochs and Justin Green, and he still managed to lose to a Div. II team, lose to the Cats, and then lose at home to W. Illinois in the first round of the playoffs. And, believe me, those 16 starters were a hell of a lot better than the 16 who are returning!

I call ****** on Grizzle anyway, for suggesting that we have 16 starters returning! I count 13 returning starters. And, out of those 13, not a single one of them except Hilliard made the first or second All-Big Sky team. So, how good are they? Just because they are starters, doesn't mean that they are any good.

Here are the 9/22 starters we lose to graduation this season.

Offense: Frink, Rhodes, Orwig, Simpson, Talmage
Defense: Edwards, McIntyre, Spencer, Saenz

How does that add up to 16 returning starters? Is that lawyer math?

Oh, and Grizmo, if you dislike Phen Phen so much, how do you like the fact that Hauck is KEEPING HIM AS A COACH NEXT SEASON???

grizindahouse · Post by **grizindahouse** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:04 am

Wolfman wrote:And, Hauck has proven that he can't win on the road. Jah, shut your pie hole, you worthless piece of possum scat. If you're the personification of a "good Griiz fan", them i'll find a new to team to root for. You are a total embarrassment with your incessant whining and empty comments. Get a clue about the game of football and stop embarrasing yourself, and the Grizzly nation.

Go down with the ship like a good Hauck supporter, meathead. He can't coach, and you can't post. You two have alot in common.

Wolfman, because you posted this earlier in the thread, and apparantly you are going to be looking for a new team, since it looks as though Jah personifies a "good Griz fan".

By the way Wolfy, out of all the Seniors you named, I feel the only loss that will be difficult to replace is Saenz, since basically, there are no DT on the roster that can gum up the middle. And Edwards was not a starter.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:22 am

Edwards was a starter, and a second team All-Big Sky performer last season, as a junior.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:24 am

I'm a better GRiz fan than any sugar coater. The reason is that i'm trying to save the program from going down under Hauck, while these pin heads still support this inept head coach. I'll be proven correct, as usual, and they'll look like morons, as usual.