Worst griz team since……?

[Cledus]

The 2012 griz team was like 5-6 if I remember correctly, and missed the playoffs. I don't think this team is quite that bad.

I do. I'm not sure this years team gets to 5 D1 wins. It'll come down to if they can win in Portland or not. Which is not a sentence I expected to type at the beginning of the year.

They will win more than 5 games. Its fun to see them struggle, but a lot of teams struggle at Flagstaff including MSU. We barely won there last year despite having a natty contending team. And I remember the 2010 MSU team getting thumped 27-7 down there despite finishing 9-2 with a near-win over Wash State and getting a 4 seed.

A 6-5 record with 5 D1 wins seems quite feasible for them. They have Davis and Idaho on the road in two consecutive weeks plus a surprisingly decent Portland State team on the road later in the year. They have two easy home games against ISU and UNC but their other two are against Sac State and MSU, both likely losses unless they can have a major turnaround. If I had to predict now I'd say that they'll beat PSU and win one of their four tougher conference games to finish 7-4 and end up squarely on the bubble just like last year.

7-4 would put them on the outside looking in because of the Ferris State game. As of now, they have seven games left and must win five to even be considered since only Northern Iowa gets in with fewer than 7.

[nanacat]

There's a fb group called Montana Grizzlies Football Fans and they posted a graph of Montana's top 25 rankings in the past 5 seasons, leaving out 2020. I'm not able to post the graph but suffice to say, the trend hasn't been great. The comments have been almost wholly focused on the coaching staff from the top down, with some comments related to getting out recruited by MSU. Overall the take in eastern California is total doomsday, being the current "little brother", and also quite concerned about another beat down by the Cats this year.

[tetoncat]

The 2012 griz team was like 5-6 if I remember correctly, and missed the playoffs. I don't think this team is quite that bad.

I do. I'm not sure this years team gets to 5 D1 wins. It'll come down to if they can win in Portland or not. Which is not a sentence I expected to type at the beginning of the year.

They will win more than 5 games. Its fun to see them struggle, but a lot of teams struggle at Flagstaff including MSU. We barely won there last year despite having a natty contending team. And I remember the 2010 MSU team getting thumped 27-7 down there despite finishing 9-2 with a near-win over Wash State and getting a 4 seed.

Why didn't Utah Tech struggle there.

[91catAlum]

The 2012 griz team was like 5-6 if I remember correctly, and missed the playoffs. I don't think this team is quite that bad.

I do. I'm not sure this years team gets to 5 D1 wins. It'll come down to if they can win in Portland or not. Which is not a sentence I expected to type at the beginning of the year.

They will win more than 5 games. Its fun to see them struggle, but a lot of teams struggle at Flagstaff including MSU. We barely won there last year despite having a natty contending team. And I remember the 2010 MSU team getting thumped 27-7 down there despite finishing 9-2 with a near-win over Wash State and getting a 4 seed.

Why didn't Utah Tech struggle there.

Good question! No idea.

[tetoncat]

I also think with Griz it isn't a talent issue. Maybe depth. So if they can fix whatever the toxicity is they could be whole different team by year end.

[coloradocat]

To be shared with any griz fan you know:

[catatac]

I also think with Griz it isn't a talent issue. Maybe depth. So if they can fix whatever the toxicity is they could be whole different team by year end.

I'm not so sure. There is a podcast out there with Andrew Schmidt (Used to play for Bobby), and he absolutely annihilates the Griz team and Bobby (He wasn't hating on Bobby, in the past he's said he would run through a brick wall for Bobby as a coach), but basically just said the Griz are a terrible team, with very little talent. He compared this team to past Griz teams and said there might be 2 or 3 players on this current team that would have seen the field on some of the past Griz teams back when they were good. He said they're toast.

[Cataholic]

I also think with Griz it isn't a talent issue. Maybe depth. So if they can fix whatever the toxicity is they could be whole different team by year end.

I'm not so sure. There is a podcast out there with Andrew Schmidt (Used to play for Bobby), and he absolutely annihilates the Griz team and Bobby (He wasn't hating on Bobby, in the past he's said he would run through a brick wall for Bobby as a coach), but basically just said the Griz are a terrible team, with very little talent. He compared this team to past Griz teams and said there might be 2 or 3 players on this current team that would have seen the field on some of the past Griz teams back when they were good. He said they're toast.

I was interested in listening to that podcast. What podcast and where can I find it? Thanks!

[Prodigal Cat]

I also think with Griz it isn't a talent issue. Maybe depth. So if they can fix whatever the toxicity is they could be whole different team by year end.

I'm not so sure. There is a podcast out there with Andrew Schmidt (Used to play for Bobby), and he absolutely annihilates the Griz team and Bobby (He wasn't hating on Bobby, in the past he's said he would run through a brick wall for Bobby as a coach), but basically just said the Griz are a terrible team, with very little talent. He compared this team to past Griz teams and said there might be 2 or 3 players on this current team that would have seen the field on some of the past Griz teams back when they were good. He said they're toast.

I was interested in listening to that podcast. What podcast and where can I find it? Thanks!

Griz fan pod. Montana Mint Sports.
Most places should have it.

[Cataholic]

I also think with Griz it isn't a talent issue. Maybe depth. So if they can fix whatever the toxicity is they could be whole different team by year end.

I'm not so sure. There is a podcast out there with Andrew Schmidt (Used to play for Bobby), and he absolutely annihilates the Griz team and Bobby (He wasn't hating on Bobby, in the past he's said he would run through a brick wall for Bobby as a coach), but basically just said the Griz are a terrible team, with very little talent. He compared this team to past Griz teams and said there might be 2 or 3 players on this current team that would have seen the field on some of the past Griz teams back when they were good. He said they're toast.

I was interested in listening to that podcast. What podcast and where can I find it? Thanks!

Griz fan pod. Montana Mint Sports.
Most places should have it.

Thanks!

[BelligerentBobcat]

Hauck said everybody would have to take a really hard look at themselves, starting with him, to see what went wrong. I'd argue they should have done that after struggling with Butler. At the very least they should have had a come-to-Jesus with themselves after getting beat everywhere but the scoreboard at home against Ferris. There's a part of me that thinks this was a wake-up call for them and they'll turn things around somewhat. I don't think they're good, but I don't think they're as bad as they were Saturday. But those idiots got at least two other wake-up calls this season and didn't do anything with them. I'm curious whether they really aren't self-aware enough to see that the Butler and Ferris games were not good, in which case MAYBE they can look in the mirror and figure out what they need to do.

As a Class B guy, I was happy to see several Class B guys playing on their defense (Braxton Hill, Ryan Tirrell, David Koppang, Ryder Meyer, Garrett Graves). That's a lot. But it occurred to me that MAYBE my beloved Class B is not the best pool to fill a D-I defense from!

I hadn't degraded myself by checking out e-griz for several years, but I just had to take a look and see how bad the meltdown was amongst their fan base, after the NAU debacle. There is actually a thread there, debating the question of whether they are too focused on recruiting in-state kids, and whether or not that could be an explanation for the obvious decline in talent on their roster over the last few years.

I don’t read egriz much but I do listen to the griz fan podcast. They are pretty honest about their team. They had on Andrew Schmitt who is obnoxious but pretty accurate. He mentioned this post and actually noted how there are some in-state dudes and they all play for the Cats.

The Griz Fan Pod is excellent. I enjoy the occasional listen.

[cats2506]

I also think with Griz it isn't a talent issue. Maybe depth. So if they can fix whatever the toxicity is they could be whole different team by year end.

I'm not so sure. There is a podcast out there with Andrew Schmidt (Used to play for Bobby), and he absolutely annihilates the Griz team and Bobby (He wasn't hating on Bobby, in the past he's said he would run through a brick wall for Bobby as a coach), but basically just said the Griz are a terrible team, with very little talent. He compared this team to past Griz teams and said there might be 2 or 3 players on this current team that would have seen the field on some of the past Griz teams back when they were good. He said they're toast.

Yeah it was a good listen. Just think about their current OL ah what they had back them, same holds true for the DL and LB's. Secondary RB's and receivers are better but still they had more talent at the positions back then.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I agree with Schmidt btw. The Griz lack talent. Their OL, respectfully, sucks. Their best QB might be a guy who was a backup at Central Arkansas. They run a 3 man front and their backup NT weighs 250 lbs soaking wet. Their secondary is slow, their CB’s are soft.

I was talking about this with my friend the other day, and he brought up a good point. If MSU is completely healthy, who from the Griz would start on this team? Maybe Gradney? Maybe? Maybe Bergen? Although I think Taco and Alexander are better. And that’s it. Nobody else. They have failed to recruit well, and they have failed to develop well, especially on the fronts. You cannot win if your OL & DL are bad. Can’t do it. Do they have an attitude issue? Yeah, because they’re losing. Their main issue is they lack talent.

[cats2506]

I agree with Schmidt btw. The Griz lack talent. Their OL, respectfully, sucks. Their best QB might be a guy who was a backup at Central Arkansas. They run a 3 man front and their backup NT weighs 250 lbs soaking wet. Their secondary is slow, their CB’s are soft.

I was talking about this with my friend the other day, and he brought up a good point. If MSU is completely healthy, who from the Griz would start on this team? Maybe Gradney? Maybe? Maybe Bergen? Although I think Taco and Alexander are better. And that’s it. Nobody else. They have failed to recruit well, and they have failed to develop well, especially on the fronts. You cannot win if your OL & DL are bad. Can’t do it. Do they have an attitude issue? Yeah, because they’re losing. Their main issue is they lack talent.

I think Gubner(sp) would at least be in the rotation for the Cats at DL, maybe even start.
With Taco out we would sure use Bergen back receiving punts and I think he would see the field a lot of other plays too.
Gradney would probably be in the rotation but I don't think he would be a #1
A couple of backs they have would be buried in our depth chart.
Janacaro would probably be behind O'Riely in the rotation but if he had been here that long he would probably be better and higher in the rotation.

Other than that I don't see anyone on that team that would even see the field for the cats

[BelligerentBobcat]

I agree with Schmidt btw. The Griz lack talent. Their OL, respectfully, sucks. Their best QB might be a guy who was a backup at Central Arkansas. They run a 3 man front and their backup NT weighs 250 lbs soaking wet. Their secondary is slow, their CB’s are soft.

I was talking about this with my friend the other day, and he brought up a good point. If MSU is completely healthy, who from the Griz would start on this team? Maybe Gradney? Maybe? Maybe Bergen? Although I think Taco and Alexander are better. And that’s it. Nobody else. They have failed to recruit well, and they have failed to develop well, especially on the fronts. You cannot win if your OL & DL are bad. Can’t do it. Do they have an attitude issue? Yeah, because they’re losing. Their main issue is they lack talent.

I think Gubner(sp) would at least be in the rotation for the Cats at DL, maybe even start.
With Taco out we would sure use Bergen back receiving punts and I think he would see the field a lot of other plays too.
Gradney would probably be in the rotation but I don't think he would be a #1
A couple of backs they have would be buried in our depth chart.
Janacaro would probably be behind O'Riely in the rotation but if he had been here that long he would probably be better and higher in the rotation.

Other than that I don't see anyone on that team that would even see the field for the cats

Gubner is a good point, I forgot about him. He might start. Schmidt has improved a lot on the interior. Really, really, solid player.

[catatac]

Bobby cranked up the ol coach speak heading into Davis. I know coaches always prop up their next opponents and make them look like championship contenders, but what I have been seeing and hearing is Bobby and other Griz people building up a whole bucketful of excuses. Road trip to Cali, super hot at kickoff, dreaded night game, injured Griz team, going up against a huge DL and a very talented UC Davis team, etc. This one will be fun to watch.

[cats2506]

Davis is -3 (Montana Sports Bet)

Pretty sure they will cover

[TomCat88]

They’ve got a tough row to hoe:

Sat, 10/7
@
UCD
5:00 PM

Sat, 10/14
@
IDHO
8:30 PM

Sat, 10/28
vs
UNCO
1:00 PM

Sat, 11/4
vs
SAC
6:00 PM

Sat, 11/11
@
PRST
8:00 PM

Sat, 11/18
vs
MTST
12:00 PM

[catscat]

Recruiting is poor. So poor they have to rely heavily on the portal especially for QBs. This year the portal didn't provide talent. The 3-3-5 defense may cause problems for teams that haven't seen it before, but BSC teams have figured it out. One thing they have going for them is luck. Over the years, the gris have been exceptionally lucky. Maybe it's starting to run out. Oh, yeah, almost forgot, they have Monte.

[The Butcher]

Recruiting is poor. So poor they have to rely heavily on the portal especially for QBs. This year the portal didn't provide talent. The 3-3-5 defense may cause problems for teams that haven't seen it before, but BSC teams have figured it out. One thing they have going for them is luck. Over the years, the gris have been exceptionally lucky. Maybe it's starting to run out. Oh, yeah, almost forgot, they have Monte.

The Cats have had their fair share of difficulties recruiting QBs in the past 10 years. Glad we are over that hump!