McGillis

Post by **kmax** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:22 pm

MSU88 wrote:
El_Gato wrote:I've seen McGilllis play "up close & personal" for 2 seasons now and I can GUARANTEE that Romar is not offering him a schollie at this point. I saw nothing in the kid that even had me thinking he could play Big Sky ball, let alone for a top 25 program. He may have been one of AA's better players this season, but overall AA was the weakest I've seen it in 13 years of following it closely.

If McGillis walks on, his picture will start to appear in all American dictionaries next to the word STRETCH.
I agree....he would have been signed in November of his senior year if he could play at any level other than the Frontier.

So your saying the three high school kids we just signed are no better than NAIA talent because they were still around and unsigned? This line of reasoning is ridiculous. McGillis may or may not be Div I caliber only time will tell, but I would put the UW recruiters' opinions above anyone on this board.

toots · Post by **toots** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:36 pm

Guess we'd have to see those 3 high schoolers play to know for sure. Who are they? High School?

I totally trust Romar's judgement......................if he's actually seen the guy play..........in person, not some hilite tape.

mthoops · Post by **mthoops** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:41 pm

toots wrote:Guess we'd have to see those 3 high schoolers play to know for sure. Who are they? High School?

I totally trust Romar's judgement......................if he's actually seen the guy play..........in person, not some hilite tape.

Lorenzo Romar watched 5 (Five) full games of Jack's.

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:47 pm

Interesting comment. My experience with recruiting is that you get the best kids you can in order to fill a need, as soon as you can in the process. Sometimes there are these kids where you have a big question mark in some category or the other, and sometimes it is the luck of the draw in so far as who a particular kid has to compete with in order to gain a scholarship. Sometimes, these question marks lead to a result where a really good prospect doesn't get a scholarship. It's not that they don't deserve one, but perhaps there was an equally talented prospect with no question marks, or less question marks.

This could be what is happening to McGillis this year.

toots · Post by **toots** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:33 pm

You must mean in Vegas he watched 5 full games..........and if so, what's the hold up on the offer? Then again, I'm pretty sure he didn't see Jack play one full game in person, certainly not during his senior year at Hellgate.

Do you mean video? and if so, how do you know he watched FIVE FULL GAMES, were you with him?

mthoops · Post by **mthoops** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:39 pm

Toots,

Romar watched five full game FILMS of Jack's senior season at Hellgate. I don't know why he would sell himself short and not watch them and just ask Jack to be a Husky. I can't force you to believe me, So if you don't want to, that's fine. I am simply relaying credible information. You obviously don't think Jack has it, and that's just fine. You are not alone, nor am I. And we'll leave it at that.

MSU88 · Post by **MSU88** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:53 am

kmax wrote:
MSU88 wrote:
El_Gato wrote:I've seen McGilllis play "up close & personal" for 2 seasons now and I can GUARANTEE that Romar is not offering him a schollie at this point. I saw nothing in the kid that even had me thinking he could play Big Sky ball, let alone for a top 25 program. He may have been one of AA's better players this season, but overall AA was the weakest I've seen it in 13 years of following it closely.

If McGillis walks on, his picture will start to appear in all American dictionaries next to the word STRETCH.
I agree....he would have been signed in November of his senior year if he could play at any level other than the Frontier.
So your saying the three high school kids we just signed are no better than NAIA talent because they were still around and unsigned? This line of reasoning is ridiculous. McGillis may or may not be Div I caliber only time will tell, but I would put the UW recruiters' opinions above anyone on this board.

I am saying that in the state of Montana, with limited talent compared to other states, this is generally the way it goes. Look at your history of recruiting in the state. The "for sure" Division I players recruited in-state by MSU and UM are signed by November of their senior year.

Do you get my point?

Post by **kmax** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:17 am

MSU88 wrote:
kmax wrote:
MSU88 wrote:
El_Gato wrote:I've seen McGilllis play "up close & personal" for 2 seasons now and I can GUARANTEE that Romar is not offering him a schollie at this point. I saw nothing in the kid that even had me thinking he could play Big Sky ball, let alone for a top 25 program. He may have been one of AA's better players this season, but overall AA was the weakest I've seen it in 13 years of following it closely.

If McGillis walks on, his picture will start to appear in all American dictionaries next to the word STRETCH.
I agree....he would have been signed in November of his senior year if he could play at any level other than the Frontier.
So your saying the three high school kids we just signed are no better than NAIA talent because they were still around and unsigned? This line of reasoning is ridiculous. McGillis may or may not be Div I caliber only time will tell, but I would put the UW recruiters' opinions above anyone on this board.
I am saying that in the state of Montana, with limited talent compared to other states, this is generally the way it goes. Look at your history of recruiting in the state. The "for sure" Division I players recruited in-state by MSU and UM are signed by November of their senior year.

Do you get my point?

I understand the point you are trying to make, I just think it is an incredible generalization to say that since a kid wasn't signed in November he isn't capable of playing DI ball. That theory is assuming that no kid ever improves between his junior senior years, never grows four or five inches between his junior and senior years. Come on, get real.

And if you want to look at in state recruiting history, tell me how many of those "for sure" in-state DI recruits the Cats or Griz signed in November improved enough their Senior season to even be getting looks from a Pac 10 school, let alone one on the rise like UW? Recruiting is an in-exact science, kids slip under the radar all the time. Will McGillis be one of those kids, I don't know, but I kind of hope he goes on to UW a proves himself. Always good to see a Montana kid work hard and get a good opportunity like this.

Edit to add that I can't believe I got sucked into a McGillis thread, how these things suck in so many is just beyond me.

mthoops · Post by **mthoops** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:28 am

I get your point, BUT, as a previous poster said, recruiting isn't an exact science. This year has me baffled. REMEMBER, Durham offered Kellen Hasquet a Full-Ride Scholarship in OCTOBER. Wow, I bet he's glad Kellen's pen was out of ink. Kellen is now signed with Carroll. No Frontier schools even attempted offering McGillis. That should tell people something. Durham a few months ago looked in every way like he would offer McGillis, then decided to go the JC Route at the last minute. Krysko didn't think Jack was good enough or "didn't get a good evalutation of Jack" at the beginning of the season and went out and signed 3 prep guards in his position (early November). Then Jack came on strong and started to exlode. Too late by then to offer a scholarship and over load the 2-3 position for the Griz. Now Lorenzo Romar is all over Jack. I'm not degrading anyone or any program, I'm just saying this year's recruiting has been interesting at the very least!

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:57 am

mthoops wrote:Durham a few months ago looked in every way like he would offer McGillis, then decided to go the JC Route at the last minute.

Durham didnt go the JC route with kids who would be competing for playing time with Jack.

So what is the status of McGillis. Any offers (scholarship or walkon) from anybody yet? If he hasnt been offered anything, a Frontier school would be stupid not to offer. Unless he's turned off, thinking he's better than NAIA.

toots · Post by **toots** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:02 am

Durham had Hasquet over for a visit in October, but I don't believe he ever offered him a scholarship....................as was proven this season, Mick likes to just kind of hang back and see what kind of JC's he can land and judging by the performance of the Cats during the regular season, who can knock him. The JC's nearly carried them to the Conference title and if Frankie didn't get into trouble, they probably win it.

mthoops · Post by **mthoops** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:04 am

toots wrote:Durham had Hasquet over for a visit in October, but I don't believe he ever offered him a scholarship.

Durham DID offer Hasquet.

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:05 am

Cat Pride wrote:
mthoops wrote:Durham a few months ago looked in every way like he would offer McGillis, then decided to go the JC Route at the last minute.
Durham didnt go the JC route with kids who would be competing for playing time with Jack.

So what is the status of McGillis. Any offers (scholarship or walkon) from anybody yet? If he hasnt been offered anything, a Frontier school would be stupid not to offer. Unless he's turned off, thinking he's better than NAIA.

Actually Durham did decide to go the JC route over McGillis. Durham I am told felt that if the Cats Finished stron at the end of the season he would sign a High school wing he had a line on about 4 with McGillis being on top of that list.. If the Cats did not, Durham wanted to bring in some depth, and fire power, a JC wing. Now remember in the Bobcat Offence there is very little difference between the Guard wing (off guard) or the Forward wing (small forward). Durham went out and signed the best wing available. Granted he is a 6-2 Guard, but dont' be surprised if when Dissly is not in the line up that Durham will go with a three guard line up.

toots · Post by **toots** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:10 am

Check your fact Hoops..........or just give Kellen a call and ask him if Durham ever actually offered.

toots · Post by **toots** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:14 am

p.s. HOOPS

Carroll offered McGillis..........and last time I checked they were still in the Frontier Conference

mthoops · Post by **mthoops** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:29 am

Just called Kellen, He had no comment. Carroll was in contact with Jack at the beggining of the season. A scholarship to play there was a given in both minds, but never was a formal offer made. I can understand what you mean though, Toots.

BTW: Are you "Toots" like a Tootsie Pop, or "Toots" like the sound trains make?

Oh yeah, Here you go Toot...

http://bobcatnation.com/bobcatboard/vie ... ht=hasquet

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:10 am

mthoops, you claim Romar is "all over" McGillis?

If so, why haven't we seen the announcement yet? Are we really to believe that Jack has been offered a schollie to a Top 25 Pac 10 school & he's "thinking about it"????

Face it, being one of the top AA players in Montana these days is like being one of the tallest midgets...

AA basketball in this state was mediocre AT BEST this last season. This seasons Hellgate team would've been DESTROYED by Dissly's Bozeman Bunch or Hartman's Rustlers. What does that mean? It means McGillis looked good against a whole bunch of terrible competition; if JM does, in fact, walk on at UW, we can start a pool of where he'll end up after a year or 2 of being a practice dummy for the Dogs...

Listen, I'm not in any way trashing JM as a kid (I don't know him personally); I'm simply saying that after watching him the last 2 seasons, there's NO WAY he'll ever see the floor in a Pac 10 basketball game. A kid who was truly talented enough to play at that level would've averaged 30+ per game against the AA this year... I don't think JM even averaged 20, did he?

I hope he has a nice career whereever he ends up. Always want to see Montana kids succeed; I just don't see it being with UW.

PS I'm not saying LoRo doesn't know what he's doing; he's obsiously making the right moves in Seattle, I'm just not really sure of the reasons why he is ALLEDGEDLY so interested in JM. I'd be putting my money on the fact that JM doesn't even WALK ON at UW by the time all the dust settles...

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:20 am

Following up:

I just re-read the Realdawg article and you'll notice there's NO comments from LoRo. All the commentary was from JM; I have no doubt that he was impressed and that he'd LOVE to play big-time college ball.

I'm sure LoRo likes the idea of a 6'6" two-guard with a 50% FG average. Yes, I see that JM DID, if fact, average 20 ppg this season, but remember this: He made 31 3's in 23 games; is THAT the makings of a future Pac 10 shooting guard? Methinks not.

Don't even know why I'm "into" this subject; I just don't like to see people getting TOO carried away about a player or team, just cuz they get a sniff or some ink...

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:38 am

mslacat wrote:
Cat Pride wrote:
mthoops wrote:Durham a few months ago looked in every way like he would offer McGillis, then decided to go the JC Route at the last minute.
Durham didnt go the JC route with kids who would be competing for playing time with Jack.

So what is the status of McGillis. Any offers (scholarship or walkon) from anybody yet? If he hasnt been offered anything, a Frontier school would be stupid not to offer. Unless he's turned off, thinking he's better than NAIA.
Actually Durham did decide to go the JC route over McGillis. Durham I am told felt that if the Cats Finished stron at the end of the season he would sign a High school wing he had a line on about 4 with McGillis being on top of that list.. If the Cats did not, Durham wanted to bring in some depth, and fire power, a JC wing. Now remember in the Bobcat Offence there is very little difference between the Guard wing (off guard) or the Forward wing (small forward). Durham went out and signed the best wing available. Granted he is a 6-2 Guard, but dont' be surprised if when Dissly is not in the line up that Durham will go with a three guard line up.

I see where you are going mslacat. I guess I dont consider Mick "going the JC route" when 3 of 4 signees are high school kids. I just dont see the signing of Edmonds to be the kid who nudged McGillis out of a scholarship to Bozeman. Maybe I am wrong, but as I see it, Mick didnt see Jack as good as the other HS kids he signed and chose them over JM and not necessarily Edmonds over JM.

At this point, I really could care less about this entire McGillis subject. Talk about beating a dead horse. Other than an alleged offer or two from Frontier schools, and some walk on offers at MSU, UM and

UW

I've never seen so much hype over one kid who has THESE kind of offers.

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:40 am

He averaged 19.8 points, 6.3 rebounds, 2.0 assists and 1.4 steals while shooting .609 from the field and .857 from the foul line. He made 35 of 69 3-point attempts (51.0 percent).

If I were a real good player from Montana and wanted to play in the PAC 10, the ideal thing to do would be move to Spokane, Seattle, Denver or anywhere that has better competition and exposure. It's almost impossible to tell if a Montana kid is good enough to play PAC-10 ball. Jack McGillis needed another 4-5 players of his ability to go up against 10-12 times a year before anyone can really tell how good he is. Even Romar. But a lot of these decisions come down to a coaching staff liking 9-10 guys and the head coach having the final say. I don't think it's fair to say McGillis can't do it. I've stated many times that I thought his biggest problem was being able to stay focused when his game isn't working or he has a few calls go against him. If he can go there and red-shirt and not lose his confidence after being totally humiliated in practices/pick up games the first few times it could happen. If he does go that will be his first, and possibly most difficult, obstacle.