Lets Face It

Htowngriz · Post by **Htowngriz** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:10 pm

cats2506 wrote:
GrizinWashington wrote:2506, if you question the validity of the Princeton Review, there is nothing I can do to help you. But I could perhaps suggest either a little knowledge or a little research PRIOR to posting.
I did look it over but I am not going to spend all night to not find and have you say the same thing, If its there show me.

HOW MANY SCHOOLS WERE CONSIDERED, AND IS THERE A MEMBERSHIP REQUIRMENT TO BE CONSIDERED?

If you cant give the info, conceed defeat.

From Princeton Review's Website:

About the book
"Best 366 Colleges" is one of 200 Princeton Review books published by Random House. Eight schools were added to the book this year. In addition to its two-page profiles on the schools and ranking lists, the book has a new section with lists of "Great Colleges for 15 of the Most Popular College Majors." The book was first published in 1992. No school has ever paid a fee to be in it.

The Princeton Review is a New York City-based company known for its test-prep courses, education services, and books. It is not affiliated with Princeton University and not a magazine.

cats2506 · Post by **cats2506** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:19 pm

The Princeton Review is a for-profit American educational preparation company. It offers test preparation for standardized achievement tests such as the SAT and advice regarding college admissions.

You dont think they have a stake in which schools they promote.

Example: They do law school admission tests, they promote colleges with law schools, those schools use thier admission tests.

GrizinWashington · Post by **GrizinWashington** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:42 pm

cats2506 wrote:
The Princeton Review is a for-profit American educational preparation company. It offers test preparation for standardized achievement tests such as the SAT and advice regarding college admissions.

You dont think they have a stake in which schools they promote.

Example: They do law school admission tests, they promote colleges with law schools, those schools use thier admission tests.

Geeeeeeeeeeeeezus, 2506. You know, it doesn't necessarily make you any less of a man (or a bobcat for that matter) to admit that UM is a damn fine institution. Clearly the experts realize it. Gawd, anything associated with UM to you is evil. I'm about the biggest fan out there, but I call a spade a spade, and I call msu a fine school as well. Me thinks you take this rivalry just a bit over the insane level (were you clinically diagnosed with your name "crazycat", per chance??).

cats2506 · Post by **cats2506** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:52 pm

No I'm not cc, Just someone who calls a spade a spade, when I see sombody useing a puffed up list as proof that this or that is better than something I call it. I never said one was better than the other, I just called you on the puffed up "Top 366" list. Who makes a list with 366? Last year it was 361, I can understand something like the forbes 500, or a top 100. But this has very little reason to it other than to promote 366 schools for whatever reason.

cats2506 · Post by **cats2506** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:10 pm

GrizinWashington wrote:Gawd, anything associated with UM to you is evil.

Your reputation preceeds you!

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:03 am

AlphaGriz1 wrote:
crazycat wrote:My only argument is that people who make more money tend to be healthier and have a higher quality of life. If you can show me where graduates of UM make more money than graduates of MSU and therefore tend to lead healthier and have a better quality of life, I'd like to see that.

Right now I'm of an opinion, based on MSU having an engineering college and graduating hundreds of engineers every year, that MSU graduates as a whole have a higher median income, are better off financially immediately upon graduating and as the years go by. Of course, Dennis Washington (I assume he's a UM grad), would skew the average considerably. This would be a good case to look at the median income.

If MSU didn't have an engineering college, I'd say the schools would be relatively even in terms of salaries beyond graduation.
So engineers and nurses make more than lawyers and pharmacists?

Based on the web sites I posted, engineers make more money right out of college, however, lawyers appear to make more than engineers over time. Same thing for pharmacists. Nurses? I don't know who mentioned nurses, but they probably don't make as much as any of the above.

Another thing about engineering at MSU is the number of engineering degrees awarded per year. There are around 2,300 graduates at MSU and around 300 of those are engineers.

http://www.montana.edu/opa/facts/GradsByYear.html

The reason I mention that is because while I'm sure UM puts out some fine lawyers, it doesn't graduate a whole bunch every year. Another thing about UM law graduates is that the ones that go into private practice average $42,000/year, which is 177th of 185 US law schools. The ones that go into public practice rank around the middle and make $41K/year.

Obviously there are more jobs for engineers than lawyers and pharmacists. The only two pharmacists I know both went to MSU. I suppose they must've went to UM, or elsewhere, to get an official degree in that area, since it appears MSU doesn't offer one.