Baby Hauck

[UMclassof2002]

If that were approved, UNLV would be the front-runner for the NC every season...

I didn't mean for just athletes.



Campus "escort" would be a good job for freshman girls. Non-trad numbers would skyrocket.


Somebody e-mail this thread to Continuing Ed.

[Bcat]

You can’t really compare Kramer and Huack. Kramer took a position that the previous coach was fired from. Hauck took over a team that the coach left for a better gig because he was winning.

I don’t usually post on the smack board, I usually just read, but I can’t let this one go without posting. I have a lot of die hard Giz friends, and even the most aggressive Giz fans acknowledge the same, you have to. Here is the dilemma, if the Griz program is the dynasty most want to claim it is, you have to admit that any coach can ride the coat tails as long as they do not make bad decisions, this is what most call maintaining. With a strong program you can maintain for several years, momentum will carry you. If you say the only reason you are winning is due to a brilliant coach, then you are giving more credence to the coach then the dynasty, you can’t have both without those rebuilding years to validate. The verdict is still out on Hauck, there has been no rebuilding required, this may be the first minor test he has faced. Leave personalities and personal preferences out of it, and it is hard to come to any other conclusion. K took on a broken wheel, like him or not, he took a big challenge when he took the job. Perhaps this is his testing year, the talent is there, matter of coaching it together.

[UMclassof2002]

You can’t really compare Kramer and Huack. Kramer took a position that the previous coach was fired from. Hauck took over a team that the coach left for a better gig because he was winning.

I don’t usually post on the smack board, I usually just read, but I can’t let this one go without posting. I have a lot of die hard Giz friends, and even the most aggressive Giz fans acknowledge the same, you have to. Here is the dilemma, if the Griz program is the dynasty most want to claim it is, you have to admit that any coach can ride the coat tails as long as they do not make bad decisions, this is what most call maintaining. With a strong program you can maintain for several years, momentum will carry you. If you say the only reason you are winning is due to a brilliant coach, then you are giving more credence to the coach then the dynasty, you can’t have both without those rebuilding years to validate. The verdict is still out on Hauck, there has been no rebuilding required, this may be the first minor test he has faced. Leave personalities and personal preferences out of it, and it is hard to come to any other conclusion. K took on a broken wheel, like him or not, he took a big challenge when he took the job. Perhaps this is his testing year, the talent is there, matter of coaching it together.

This same sentiment also eliminates the argument that BH is a ****** coach, which has been the premise for most of the Cat posters. I will agree that the verdict is still out on BH; it is too early to tell if he is a good coach or a bad coach. In all honesty, I am a firm believer that college football is ALL about talent. If you have the horses, you will look like a good coach. Due to the limited amount of practice time, it isn't all about having the superior scheme. If you can recruit, you can win. That is what I think BH's saving grace will be - same as Joe Glenn. Neither, IMO, is a football genius ala BB in New England or Bill Walsh, Monte Kiffin, et al.

[JahGriz]

The verdict is still out on Hauck

Can't really disagree with that in all honesty, but also don't think he can be called a bad coach. As I've said, you don't stumble into a NC game, ask any coach in I-AA they will tell you it isn't an easy road.

there has been no rebuilding required

Completely disagree here, some serious rebuilding needed to take place in the secondary. Also, a good number of Glenn WR didn't work out for one reason or another, and it really has caught up to us. One was with the MSU recruit when they got busted for weed. One was in the car accident with Talmage. One had grade problems.
Similar situation in the secondary, a lot of Glenn recruits ended up leaving for one reason or another, mostly because they weren't cutting it.
WR/DB's who didn't' work out.
2001 Gone
Tyler Peterson, WR, 5-10, 170, Fr., Helena (Helena High)
LeShawn George, WR, 6-2, 185, Fr. Anaheim Hills, Calif. (Servite HS)
David Gober, RB,WR,DB, 5-9, 175, Fr. Anaheim, Calif. (Western HS)

2002 Gone
Nathan Adkins, wr, 5-8, 170, fr, Cerritos High School, Cerritos, Calif.
Enrique Duncan, wr, 6-3, 188, jr, Grossmont Junior Colleg, San Diego, Calif
Quinn Faino, wr, 6-2, 175, fr, Central Catholic HS, Portland, Ore.
Jelani Gamba, s, 6-3, 180, fr, Cypress HS, Cypress, Calif.
Shane Harris, s, 5-10, 180, jr, Saddleback Junior College, Irvine, Calif.
Brandon Robinson, cb, 6-0, 175, fr, Hamilton County HS, Jasper, Fla.
Michael Rubie, cb, 5-10, 180, fr, Cerritos HS, Cerritos, Calif.
Joshua Johnson, cb, 6-2, 170, fr, Hamilton County HS, Jasper, Fla.
Brandon Grant, CB, 6-0, 180, Fr, Los Angeles (Inglewood HS)
Ryan Keltz, DB/RB, 5-10, 175, Fr. Missoula (Missoula Sentinel):

In fact, of Glenn's last recruiting class only 4 guys are left, that is a lot of gaps to fill. Something Kramer can relate to. Not all players are going to like the new system/coaches, not all are going to fit in, in addition to the ones that may not have worked out even if the same staff had stayed.

[CARDIAC_CATS]

You can’t really compare Kramer and Huack. Kramer took a position that the previous coach was fired from. Hauck took over a team that the coach left for a better gig because he was winning.

I don’t usually post on the smack board, I usually just read, but I can’t let this one go without posting. I have a lot of die hard Giz friends, and even the most aggressive Giz fans acknowledge the same, you have to. Here is the dilemma, if the Griz program is the dynasty most want to claim it is, you have to admit that any coach can ride the coat tails as long as they do not make bad decisions, this is what most call maintaining. With a strong program you can maintain for several years, momentum will carry you. If you say the only reason you are winning is due to a brilliant coach, then you are giving more credence to the coach then the dynasty, you can’t have both without those rebuilding years to validate. The verdict is still out on Hauck, there has been no rebuilding required, this may be the first minor test he has faced. Leave personalities and personal preferences out of it, and it is hard to come to any other conclusion. K took on a broken wheel, like him or not, he took a big challenge when he took the job. Perhaps this is his testing year, the talent is there, matter of coaching it together.

This same sentiment also eliminates the argument that BH is a ****** coach, which has been the premise for most of the Cat posters. I will agree that the verdict is still out on BH; it is too early to tell if he is a good coach or a bad coach. In all honesty, I am a firm believer that college football is ALL about talent. If you have the horses, you will look like a good coach. Due to the limited amount of practice time, it isn't all about having the superior scheme. If you can recruit, you can win. That is what I think BH's saving grace will be - same as Joe Glenn. Neither, IMO, is a football genius ala BB in New England or Bill Walsh, Monte Kiffin, et al.

While I still do not like Baby Hauck, I can still somewhat agree with this statement. I am not sure who called the defensive game plan for the Griz (last Cat/Griz) but there was some good coaching/adjustments made in that game I though. Now wether Hauck made those decisions I don't know. Like what was said above though ... "we'll know more in the next 2 years as it's all of Hauck's recruits mostly now". I think Hauck is so often stubborn in his own mind/philsophy is to shake things up and do different stuff against him. He never adjusts to the game it seems so by giving his team different looks I think he can be had (if you have the talent). He is very BULLHEADED.

[Bcat]

there has been no rebuilding required

Completely disagree here, some serious rebuilding needed to take place in the secondary. Also, a good number of Glenn WR didn't work out for one reason or another, and it really has caught up to us.

Looks like we will have to agree to disagree. What you cited as rebuilding I would consider normal coaching challenges. And yes, he did a good job, but that was not rebuilding. You will never have a team where everyone meets expectations, no injuries, no accidents, and no disqualification conduct choices, that does not force a coach to shift players around. By rebuilding, I am referencing to taking a broken team and rebuilding it, not shuffling players around.

[CelticCat]

You don't rebuild a team that made the playoffs what, 6 straight times before the coach took over? You just make sure the house doesn't crumble.

[JahGriz]

Fair enough bcat. I see what you mean. All I'm saying is it wasn't like the Hauck staff was left with everything they needed and could just coast. They were left with a very short supply of secondary guys due to various things. They didn't have a lot of time to recruit their first year and at that point certainly couldn't anticipate who would leave or who would actually work out as a player. Standard new coach woes. It does take time for new coaches, regardless of what they step into, to get the guys they want that fit their style and to get their system installed. And there is more than average turnover when a new coach steps in.
I do question why they didn't get more WR's the past couple years, but what do I know.
I completely agree about the standard problems, just think they are amplified a bit with a new coaching staff.

[Eastcoastgriz]

[quote="CARDIAC_CATS I think Hauck is so often stubborn in his own mind/philsophy is to shake things up and do different stuff against him. He is very BULLHEADED.[/quote]

You guys are hilarious. Most have never met him, have heard a few quote of his and the garbage spread over this and other web sites and make these ludicrous opinions. Isn't Krammer a lot more stubborn and BULLHEADED than Hauck??