Lulay totally overrated

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:45 pm

Face it - Lulay is a Bobcat legend, regardless of what happens next year, 5 years, or 10 years down the road. You can argue all you want, but nothing a bunch of bitter, condescending Griz fans try to say about it is going to change our minds.

Swilly3224 · Post by **Swilly3224** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:00 pm

CelticCat wrote:Face it - Lulay is a Bobcat legend, regardless of what happens next year, 5 years, or 10 years down the road. You can argue all you want, but nothing a bunch of bitter, condescending Griz fans try to say about it is going to change our minds.

This may be true, And I dont really care, but that is the difference between the Griz and the Cats. The whole debate is lost right there....Your "legend" didnt win a single playoff game while ours won us our first title and began a dynasty in the city of missoula. Ill give you 3 outta 4, but then ill take our 5 outta 10 (NC apperances) How are you going to agrue that?

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:37 pm

Lulay didn't create the program we have now... Kramer did. Lulay was a key component to the process, and he will always remain "legend" status in the minds of most Bobcat fans - based on the many incredible feats he pulled off during his time here. That wouldn't change if we happen to lose all our games next year.

And for the record, the program Kramer built is bigger than 1 player. Nay-sayers will realize this next year...

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:30 pm

Lulay had some magic about him. No he didn't always win. No he didn't always do the smart thing. But with Lulay, they were the most exciting games I've ever watched, and they happened at least 3 times a year. Had he not been a comeback king, I don't think he would be held in as high regard as he is. The comebacks and close wins are what made him so special.

Go Scats Go · Post by **Go Scats Go** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:59 pm

What proof are you providing? None. You have said nothing to show why Lulay is overrated. Again, if he's so overrated in your NON OBJECTIVE opinion, then why would he take the griz to Chatty if he QB'd there? Why is he overrated if he takes a team fresh off a loss to Central Washington and guides them to shares of the BSC title for that season and a few more times thereafter? Why is he getting invited to the NFL combine? How does he put together a slew of comebacks from his career that resulted in W's? You do realize the Cats aren't too far removed from an 0-11 season right? Overrated doesn't define someone who is instrumental in taking a team that had completely hit its nadir and brought them to the level they are at now.

This isn't a thing for namecalling that you seem to be so obsessed with trying to say. Your stats you are bringing up are true but they in no way indicate a player who is overrated. His efforts have helped turn the team into winners and have recreated a desire for high schoolers to look at MSU to play instead of just um.

How can this be?

Go Scats Go · Post by **Go Scats Go** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:04 pm

CelticCat wrote:Face it - Lulay is a Bobcat legend, regardless of what happens next year, 5 years, or 10 years down the road. You can argue all you want, but nothing a bunch of bitter, condescending Griz fans try to say about it is going to change our minds.

Nor will you change your mind

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:23 pm

Go Scats Go wrote:

What proof are you providing? None. You have said nothing to show why Lulay is overrated. Again, if he's so overrated in your NON OBJECTIVE opinion, then why would he take the griz to Chatty if he QB'd there? Why is he overrated if he takes a team fresh off a loss to Central Washington and guides them to shares of the BSC title for that season and a few more times thereafter? Why is he getting invited to the NFL combine? How does he put together a slew of comebacks from his career that resulted in W's? You do realize the Cats aren't too far removed from an 0-11 season right? Overrated doesn't define someone who is instrumental in taking a team that had completely hit its nadir and brought them to the level they are at now.

This isn't a thing for namecalling that you seem to be so obsessed with trying to say. Your stats you are bringing up are true but they in no way indicate a player who is overrated. His efforts have helped turn the team into winners and have recreated a desire for high schoolers to look at MSU to play instead of just um.
How can this be?

Is your stupidity painful?

You provided stats that were true but you haven't convinced me nor any other Cat fan that he's overrated. Is that a little more clearer? My points that I refuted you with have been conveniently ignored on your part. Why is that?

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:54 pm

lifeloyalsigmsu wrote:
Go Scats Go wrote:

What proof are you providing? None. You have said nothing to show why Lulay is overrated. Again, if he's so overrated in your NON OBJECTIVE opinion, then why would he take the griz to Chatty if he QB'd there? Why is he overrated if he takes a team fresh off a loss to Central Washington and guides them to shares of the BSC title for that season and a few more times thereafter? Why is he getting invited to the NFL combine? How does he put together a slew of comebacks from his career that resulted in W's? You do realize the Cats aren't too far removed from an 0-11 season right? Overrated doesn't define someone who is instrumental in taking a team that had completely hit its nadir and brought them to the level they are at now.

This isn't a thing for namecalling that you seem to be so obsessed with trying to say. Your stats you are bringing up are true but they in no way indicate a player who is overrated. His efforts have helped turn the team into winners and have recreated a desire for high schoolers to look at MSU to play instead of just um.
How can this be?
Is your stupidity painful?

You provided stats that were true but you haven't convinced me nor any other Cat fan that he's overrated. Is that a little more clearer? My points that I refuted you with have been conveniently ignored on your part. Why is that?

Just adds to the point that any post by either of these two 'grizidiots' should be ignored. Don't feed the trolls.

Swilly3224 · Post by **Swilly3224** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:13 pm

catatac wrote:Lulay didn't create the program we have now... Kramer did. Lulay was a key component to the process, and he will always remain "legend" status in the minds of most Bobcat fans - based on the many incredible feats he pulled off during his time here. That wouldn't change if we happen to lose all our games next year.

And for the record, the program Kramer built is bigger than 1 player. Nay-sayers will realize this next year...

That is what this debate lies on... NEXT YEAR! If the Cats dont make the playoffs or dont even get to .500, Us griz fans will realize that you were only a 1-man show and that we will nothing else to worry about from here on out. But if you do win some games and make a playoff appearenance or whatever you wanna say is a good season, then we will know that Kramer is the real deal and the rivarly will be even more firy!

Next year......I like the Griz odds with all these transfers going in but who know?

catsrback76 · Post by **catsrback76** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:24 pm

Swilly3224 wrote:
CelticCat wrote:Face it - Lulay is a Bobcat legend, regardless of what happens next year, 5 years, or 10 years down the road. You can argue all you want, but nothing a bunch of bitter, condescending Griz fans try to say about it is going to change our minds.

This may be true, And I dont really care, but that is the difference between the Griz and the Cats. The whole debate is lost right there....Your "legend" didnt win a single playoff game while ours won us our first title and began a dynasty in the city of missoula. Ill give you 3 outta 4, but then ill take our 5 outta 10 (NC apperances) How are you going to agrue that?

Swilly3224 · Post by **Swilly3224** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:25 pm

catsrback76 wrote:
Swilly3224 wrote:
CelticCat wrote:Face it - Lulay is a Bobcat legend, regardless of what happens next year, 5 years, or 10 years down the road. You can argue all you want, but nothing a bunch of bitter, condescending Griz fans try to say about it is going to change our minds.

This may be true, And I dont really care, but that is the difference between the Griz and the Cats. The whole debate is lost right there....Your "legend" didnt win a single playoff game while ours won us our first title and began a dynasty in the city of missoula. Ill give you 3 outta 4, but then ill take our 5 outta 10 (NC apperances) How are you going to agrue that?

Your right, 80-64

catsrback76 · Post by **catsrback76** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:30 pm

Swilly3224 wrote:
catsrback76 wrote:
Swilly3224 wrote:
CelticCat wrote:Face it - Lulay is a Bobcat legend, regardless of what happens next year, 5 years, or 10 years down the road. You can argue all you want, but nothing a bunch of bitter, condescending Griz fans try to say about it is going to change our minds.

This may be true, And I dont really care, but that is the difference between the Griz and the Cats. The whole debate is lost right there....Your "legend" didnt win a single playoff game while ours won us our first title and began a dynasty in the city of missoula. Ill give you 3 outta 4, but then ill take our 5 outta 10 (NC apperances) How are you going to agrue that?

Your right, 80-64

Payback ?

Swilly3224 · Post by **Swilly3224** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:33 pm

catsrback76 wrote:
Swilly3224 wrote:
catsrback76 wrote:
Swilly3224 wrote:
CelticCat wrote:Face it - Lulay is a Bobcat legend, regardless of what happens next year, 5 years, or 10 years down the road. You can argue all you want, but nothing a bunch of bitter, condescending Griz fans try to say about it is going to change our minds.

This may be true, And I dont really care, but that is the difference between the Griz and the Cats. The whole debate is lost right there....Your "legend" didnt win a single playoff game while ours won us our first title and began a dynasty in the city of missoula. Ill give you 3 outta 4, but then ill take our 5 outta 10 (NC apperances) How are you going to agrue that?

Your right, 80-64
Payback ?

nope

catsrback76 · Post by **catsrback76** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:36 pm

Swilly3224 wrote:
catsrback76 wrote:
Swilly3224 wrote:
catsrback76 wrote:
Swilly3224 wrote:
CelticCat wrote:Face it - Lulay is a Bobcat legend, regardless of what happens next year, 5 years, or 10 years down the road. You can argue all you want, but nothing a bunch of bitter, condescending Griz fans try to say about it is going to change our minds.

This may be true, And I dont really care, but that is the difference between the Griz and the Cats. The whole debate is lost right there....Your "legend" didnt win a single playoff game while ours won us our first title and began a dynasty in the city of missoula. Ill give you 3 outta 4, but then ill take our 5 outta 10 (NC apperances) How are you going to agrue that?

Your right, 80-64
Payback ?
nope

Didn't think so. 4 outta 5 and climbing even with Slogger and Champers

Swilly3224 · Post by **Swilly3224** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:40 pm

catsrback76 wrote:
Swilly3224 wrote:
catsrback76 wrote:
Swilly3224 wrote:
catsrback76 wrote:
Swilly3224 wrote:
CelticCat wrote:Face it - Lulay is a Bobcat legend, regardless of what happens next year, 5 years, or 10 years down the road. You can argue all you want, but nothing a bunch of bitter, condescending Griz fans try to say about it is going to change our minds.

This may be true, And I dont really care, but that is the difference between the Griz and the Cats. The whole debate is lost right there....Your "legend" didnt win a single playoff game while ours won us our first title and began a dynasty in the city of missoula. Ill give you 3 outta 4, but then ill take our 5 outta 10 (NC apperances) How are you going to agrue that?

Your right, 80-64
Payback ?
nope
Didn't think so. 4 outta 5 and climbing even with Slogger and Champers

Go Scats Go · Post by **Go Scats Go** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:43 am

lifeloyalsigmsu wrote:
Go Scats Go wrote:

What proof are you providing? None. You have said nothing to show why Lulay is overrated. Again, if he's so overrated in your NON OBJECTIVE opinion, then why would he take the griz to Chatty if he QB'd there? Why is he overrated if he takes a team fresh off a loss to Central Washington and guides them to shares of the BSC title for that season and a few more times thereafter? Why is he getting invited to the NFL combine? How does he put together a slew of comebacks from his career that resulted in W's? You do realize the Cats aren't too far removed from an 0-11 season right? Overrated doesn't define someone who is instrumental in taking a team that had completely hit its nadir and brought them to the level they are at now.

This isn't a thing for namecalling that you seem to be so obsessed with trying to say. Your stats you are bringing up are true but they in no way indicate a player who is overrated. His efforts have helped turn the team into winners and have recreated a desire for high schoolers to look at MSU to play instead of just um.
How can this be?
Is your stupidity painful?

You provided stats that were true but you haven't convinced me nor any other Cat fan that he's overrated. Is that a little more clearer? My points that I refuted you with have been conveniently ignored on your part. Why is that?

OK
Lets go through your tirad.

He is better then Cole or Jason Washington. Ive said this several times, but kitties dont seem to get a simple concept. The Griz were a playoff team with a Frosh QB. Lulu is better then Cole and would have made a difference. However, that doesnt make him a unbelievable QB. It just means he would have added the one thing the Griz did not have.

His getting invited to combines because of his numbers. If you think thats not true you are stupid. The problem is, as stated several times, his numbers are inflated. 10,000 yards passing and 1000 yards rushing are not all that inpressive if you start 50+ games. With 50 starts you SHOULD have atleast those numbers. Simple math shows that its 200 yards passing per game and 20 yards rushing. WOW THATS IMPRESSIVE.

Its true that he had several combacks, but how did they get behind? Mabey I missed it but did some other QB cause them to be behind in those games? If you are going to give him credit for comebacks you need to fault him for getting behind. Also if hes so great why did the kitties seem to loss games that they needed to win? Sac State and PSU come to mind.

The kitties 0-11 season was two years before lulu started. You stated that they "completely hit its nadir", thats not true! The year before he started the kats were 5-6. Question for you What is the most wins in a season the cats had with lulay at QB. Hint it wasnt 8 or 9. Thats right 7!!!! So the greatest QB in MSU's history was worth 2 wins. WOW IMPRESSIVE.

I know that there is no way in hell any kittie fan will ever think that lulay was overrated. But the truth is when you look at it from unbiased point of view he is. Yes its true that I am a Griz fan. But If kat fans could say that about a Griz QB (with facts not bullsh!t) I would agree with them.

Go Scats Go · Post by **Go Scats Go** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:01 am

GOKATS wrote:
lifeloyalsigmsu wrote:
Go Scats Go wrote:

What proof are you providing? None. You have said nothing to show why Lulay is overrated. Again, if he's so overrated in your NON OBJECTIVE opinion, then why would he take the griz to Chatty if he QB'd there? Why is he overrated if he takes a team fresh off a loss to Central Washington and guides them to shares of the BSC title for that season and a few more times thereafter? Why is he getting invited to the NFL combine? How does he put together a slew of comebacks from his career that resulted in W's? You do realize the Cats aren't too far removed from an 0-11 season right? Overrated doesn't define someone who is instrumental in taking a team that had completely hit its nadir and brought them to the level they are at now.

This isn't a thing for namecalling that you seem to be so obsessed with trying to say. Your stats you are bringing up are true but they in no way indicate a player who is overrated. His efforts have helped turn the team into winners and have recreated a desire for high schoolers to look at MSU to play instead of just um.
How can this be?
Is your stupidity painful?

You provided stats that were true but you haven't convinced me nor any other Cat fan that he's overrated. Is that a little more clearer? My points that I refuted you with have been conveniently ignored on your part. Why is that?
Just adds to the point that any post by either of these two 'grizidiots' should be ignored. Don't feed the trolls.

PLEASE TAKE THESE OFF!!!

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:08 am

Go Scats Go wrote:
lifeloyalsigmsu wrote:
Go Scats Go wrote:

What proof are you providing? None. You have said nothing to show why Lulay is overrated. Again, if he's so overrated in your NON OBJECTIVE opinion, then why would he take the griz to Chatty if he QB'd there? Why is he overrated if he takes a team fresh off a loss to Central Washington and guides them to shares of the BSC title for that season and a few more times thereafter? Why is he getting invited to the NFL combine? How does he put together a slew of comebacks from his career that resulted in W's? You do realize the Cats aren't too far removed from an 0-11 season right? Overrated doesn't define someone who is instrumental in taking a team that had completely hit its nadir and brought them to the level they are at now.

This isn't a thing for namecalling that you seem to be so obsessed with trying to say. Your stats you are bringing up are true but they in no way indicate a player who is overrated. His efforts have helped turn the team into winners and have recreated a desire for high schoolers to look at MSU to play instead of just um.
How can this be?
Is your stupidity painful?

You provided stats that were true but you haven't convinced me nor any other Cat fan that he's overrated. Is that a little more clearer? My points that I refuted you with have been conveniently ignored on your part. Why is that?
OK
Lets go through your tirad.

He is better then Cole or Jason Washington. Ive said this several times, but kitties dont seem to get a simple concept. The Griz were a playoff team with a Frosh QB. Lulu is better then Cole and would have made a difference. However, that doesnt make him a unbelievable QB. It just means he would have added the one thing the Griz did not have.

His getting invited to combines because of his numbers. If you think thats not true you are stupid. The problem is, as stated several times, his numbers are inflated. 10,000 yards passing and 1000 yards rushing are not all that inpressive if you start 50+ games. With 50 starts you SHOULD have atleast those numbers. Simple math shows that its 200 yards passing per game and 20 yards rushing. WOW THATS IMPRESSIVE.

Its true that he had several combacks, but how did they get behind? Mabey I missed it but did some other QB cause them to be behind in those games? If you are going to give him credit for comebacks you need to fault him for getting behind. Also if hes so great why did the kitties seem to loss games that they needed to win? Sac State and PSU come to mind.

The kitties 0-11 season was two years before lulu started. You stated that they "completely hit its nadir", thats not true! The year before he started the kats were 5-6. Question for you What is the most wins in a season the cats had with lulay at QB. Hint it wasnt 8 or 9. Thats right 7!!!! So the greatest QB in MSU's history was worth 2 wins. WOW IMPRESSIVE.

I know that there is no way in hell any kittie fan will ever think that lulay was overrated. But the truth is when you look at it from unbiased point of view he is. Yes its true that I am a Griz fan. But If kat fans could say that about a Griz QB (with facts not bullsh!t) I would agree with them.

An unbiased point of view? You're a griz fan. Non-bias is thrown out the window. This argument ends. You're still an idiot because you don't listen to anyone but yourself. Debate with you is futile in that regard. I have never once disagreed with your facts you presented. No one on this board disagrees. However, you have COMPLETELY IGNORED everything I've said. This conversation with you is over. If you think my Cat colors are blinding me, you need to practice what you preach and take your jizz-covered glasses off and see why Cat fans will never agree with you.

Swilly3224 · Post by **Swilly3224** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:42 pm

lifeloyalsigmsu wrote:
Go Scats Go wrote:
lifeloyalsigmsu wrote:
Go Scats Go wrote:

What proof are you providing? None. You have said nothing to show why Lulay is overrated. Again, if he's so overrated in your NON OBJECTIVE opinion, then why would he take the griz to Chatty if he QB'd there? Why is he overrated if he takes a team fresh off a loss to Central Washington and guides them to shares of the BSC title for that season and a few more times thereafter? Why is he getting invited to the NFL combine? How does he put together a slew of comebacks from his career that resulted in W's? You do realize the Cats aren't too far removed from an 0-11 season right? Overrated doesn't define someone who is instrumental in taking a team that had completely hit its nadir and brought them to the level they are at now.

This isn't a thing for namecalling that you seem to be so obsessed with trying to say. Your stats you are bringing up are true but they in no way indicate a player who is overrated. His efforts have helped turn the team into winners and have recreated a desire for high schoolers to look at MSU to play instead of just um.
How can this be?
Is your stupidity painful?

You provided stats that were true but you haven't convinced me nor any other Cat fan that he's overrated. Is that a little more clearer? My points that I refuted you with have been conveniently ignored on your part. Why is that?
OK
Lets go through your tirad.

He is better then Cole or Jason Washington. Ive said this several times, but kitties dont seem to get a simple concept. The Griz were a playoff team with a Frosh QB. Lulu is better then Cole and would have made a difference. However, that doesnt make him a unbelievable QB. It just means he would have added the one thing the Griz did not have.

His getting invited to combines because of his numbers. If you think thats not true you are stupid. The problem is, as stated several times, his numbers are inflated. 10,000 yards passing and 1000 yards rushing are not all that inpressive if you start 50+ games. With 50 starts you SHOULD have atleast those numbers. Simple math shows that its 200 yards passing per game and 20 yards rushing. WOW THATS IMPRESSIVE.

Its true that he had several combacks, but how did they get behind? Mabey I missed it but did some other QB cause them to be behind in those games? If you are going to give him credit for comebacks you need to fault him for getting behind. Also if hes so great why did the kitties seem to loss games that they needed to win? Sac State and PSU come to mind.

The kitties 0-11 season was two years before lulu started. You stated that they "completely hit its nadir", thats not true! The year before he started the kats were 5-6. Question for you What is the most wins in a season the cats had with lulay at QB. Hint it wasnt 8 or 9. Thats right 7!!!! So the greatest QB in MSU's history was worth 2 wins. WOW IMPRESSIVE.

I know that there is no way in hell any kittie fan will ever think that lulay was overrated. But the truth is when you look at it from unbiased point of view he is. Yes its true that I am a Griz fan. But If kat fans could say that about a Griz QB (with facts not bullsh!t) I would agree with them.

An unbiased point of view? You're a griz fan. Non-bias is thrown out the window. This argument ends. You're still an idiot because you don't listen to anyone but yourself. Debate with you is futile in that regard. I have never once disagreed with your facts you presented. No one on this board disagrees. However, you have COMPLETELY IGNORED everything I've said. This conversation with you is over. If you think my Cat colors are blinding me, you need to practice what you preach and take your jizz-covered glasses off and see why Cat fans will never agree with you.