And the rich get richer....

[Htowngriz]

It's disappointing that while the Griz elect to involve 3,000 more fans to the Saturday event, the Cats spend their money and effort on boxes. Disappointing because it puts off even longer the possibility of a third Montana football dynasty and experience.

Get over yourselves guys. You have a great stadium that holds more people than ours... and it will soon hold even more. Congrats. As I stated in an earlier thread, you have a fun game-day experience over there, but it's kind of XFL-ish with all the hype. We all have a blast at the Bobcat games in our stadium as well. Once you get past the Skydivers, the mascots, the fly-overs, the Harley's, the PA system, the jumbotron and kissing cam, the fog machines, the sky-writing and banners, and whatever else I'm missing... it still comes down to the real reason the true fans are there, the game.

I'll take XFL-ish over this:


Yeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaawww!!!

Not me. I'd rather just watch good football with die-hard Bobcat fans rather than bandwagonners. That was a fun game to watch. A bit scary... but fun!

And if you think our crown noise and excitement is lame based on thad video... make sure you head over to out stadium on November 17th...

Are you telling me your proram wouldn't have bandwagon fans if you were contenders in the playoffs year in and year out? If I'm not mistaken , your season tickets sold out faster this year than ever before, the season after your first trip to the playoffs in more than 20 years. Perhaps there's a correlation?

[SACCAT]

Are you telling me your proram wouldn't have bandwagon fans if you were contenders in the playoffs year in and year out? If I'm not mistaken , your season tickets sold out faster this year than ever before, the season after your first trip to the playoffs in more than 20 years. Perhaps there's a correlation?

We have been to the playoffs 3 times in the last 5 years I think.

[Htowngriz]

Are you telling me your proram wouldn't have bandwagon fans if you were contenders in the playoffs year in and year out? If I'm not mistaken , your season tickets sold out faster this year than ever before, the season after your first trip to the playoffs in more than 20 years. Perhaps there's a correlation?

We have been to the playoffs 3 times in the last 5 years I think.

my mistake. After hosting your first playoff game in more than 20 years.

[catatac]

Geez, are we still getting that "bandwagon" smack?? Can't you come up with anything new (or at least accurate)?

I didn't even know there was an argument. Are you saying that thousands and thousands of the "fans" that pack your stadium on Saturdays aren't only there because they know the Griz are probably going to win? Are you saying that there are not thousands upon thousands of people in your stadium that have absolutely zero affilliation with the university?

[GrizinWashington]

Geez, are we still getting that "bandwagon" smack?? Can't you come up with anything new (or at least accurate)?

I didn't even know there was an argument. Are you saying that thousands and thousands of the "fans" that pack your stadium on Saturdays aren't only there because they know the Griz are probably going to win? Are you saying that there are not thousands upon thousands of people in your stadium that have absolutely zero affilliation with the university?

I think this ground has been covered nearly a dozen times before. However, I'll see if I can recap the high points.

1. Are there more Griz fans currently because the program is successful? Yes.

2. Is that any different than ANY other sports program, franchise, team, etc (including yours)? Of course not. Winning always brings people out; losing keeps them home. If we're to make this argument, at least half the msu fans would be "bandwagon" as well.

3. What is the fascination with affiliation to the University, and why does one need it to be a rapid fan? I'm a KC Chief fan, and I am neither a member of the organization, do not live in Missouri or Kansas, have never met anyone affiliated with the Chief organization, and have never set foot in Arrowhead stadium. Am I not qualified to be a Chief fan? I don't get that argument whatsoever.

But even assuming for a moment that there is validity to it, I would assume that people from Missoula and other cities in Montana would be vaild fans under your eyes. And I would argue that 95% of the people in WaGriz are either UM grads, students or live (or have lived) in the state of Montana.

And if that isn't a condition for a fan, then how do you explain the 105,000 people that attend Michigan games. I can promise you not all of those people are Michigan grads. And I know a huge number of Husky fans that have no affiliation with UW other than living in the state of Washington. Please explain your point here further.

[Htowngriz]

Geez, are we still getting that "bandwagon" smack?? Can't you come up with anything new (or at least accurate)?

I didn't even know there was an argument. Are you saying that thousands and thousands of the "fans" that pack your stadium on Saturdays aren't only there because they know the Griz are probably going to win? Are you saying that there are not thousands upon thousands of people in your stadium that have absolutely zero affilliation with the university?

I think this ground has been covered nearly a dozen times before. However, I'll see if I can recap the high points.

1. Are there more Griz fans currently because the program is successful? Yes.

2. Is that any different than ANY other sports program, franchise, team, etc (including yours)? Of course not. Winning always brings people out; losing keeps them home. If we're to make this argument, at least half the msu fans would be "bandwagon" as well.

3. What is the fascination with affiliation to the University, and why does one need it to be a rapid fan? I'm a KC Chief fan, and I am neither a member of the organization, do not live in Missouri or Kansas, have never met anyone affiliated with the Chief organization, and have never set foot in Arrowhead stadium. Am I not qualified to be a Chief fan? I don't get that argument whatsoever.

But even assuming for a moment that there is validity to it, I would assume that people from Missoula and other cities in Montana would be vaild fans under your eyes. And I would argue that 95% of the people in WaGriz are either UM grads, students or live (or have lived) in the state of Montana.

And if that isn't a condition for a fan, then how do you explain the 105,000 people that attend Michigan games. I can promise you not all of those people are Michigan grads. And I know a huge number of Husky fans that have no affiliation with UW other than living in the state of Washington. Please explain your point here further.

I'll answer for him: the cats haven't been marketed in Bozeman nearly as well as the Griz have in Missoula, thus there are fewer casual fans to fill the seats at the litter box. Also, there are fewer people in the Bozeman area than Missoula, so it's harder to fill up a stadium. Above all, the Griz have been far more successful than the cats in the last 15-20 years, and catatac is very bitter about that, and has to resort to calling all Griz fans bandwagoners.

[Cat Grad]

Geez, are we still getting that "bandwagon" smack?? Can't you come up with anything new (or at least accurate)?

I didn't even know there was an argument. Are you saying that thousands and thousands of the "fans" that pack your stadium on Saturdays aren't only there because they know the Griz are probably going to win? Are you saying that there are not thousands upon thousands of people in your stadium that have absolutely zero affilliation with the university?

I think this ground has been covered nearly a dozen times before. However, I'll see if I can recap the high points.

1. Are there more Griz fans currently because the program is successful? Yes.

2. Is that any different than ANY other sports program, franchise, team, etc (including yours)? Of course not. Winning always brings people out; losing keeps them home. If we're to make this argument, at least half the msu fans would be "bandwagon" as well.

3. What is the fascination with affiliation to the University, and why does one need it to be a rapid fan? I'm a KC Chief fan, and I am neither a member of the organization, do not live in Missouri or Kansas, have never met anyone affiliated with the Chief organization, and have never set foot in Arrowhead stadium. Am I not qualified to be a Chief fan? I don't get that argument whatsoever.

But even assuming for a moment that there is validity to it, I would assume that people from Missoula and other cities in Montana would be vaild fans under your eyes. And I would argue that 95% of the people in WaGriz are either UM grads, students or live (or have lived) in the state of Montana.

And if that isn't a condition for a fan, then how do you explain the 105,000 people that attend Michigan games. I can promise you not all of those people are Michigan grads. And I know a huge number of Husky fans that have no affiliation with UW other than living in the state of Washington. Please explain your point here further.

I'll answer for him: the cats haven't been marketed in Bozeman nearly as well as the Griz have in Missoula, thus there are fewer casual fans to fill the seats at the litter box. Also, there are fewer people in the Bozeman area than Missoula, so it's harder to fill up a stadium. Above all, the Griz have been far more successful than the cats in the last 15-20 years, and catatac is very bitter about that, and has to resort to calling all Griz fans bandwagoners.

That is not even lame smack Dips--t, are you even in college yet? Christ, your stadium is still only a high school stadium in Texas, Florida...

[Htowngriz]

Geez, are we still getting that "bandwagon" smack?? Can't you come up with anything new (or at least accurate)?

I didn't even know there was an argument. Are you saying that thousands and thousands of the "fans" that pack your stadium on Saturdays aren't only there because they know the Griz are probably going to win? Are you saying that there are not thousands upon thousands of people in your stadium that have absolutely zero affilliation with the university?

I think this ground has been covered nearly a dozen times before. However, I'll see if I can recap the high points.

1. Are there more Griz fans currently because the program is successful? Yes.

2. Is that any different than ANY other sports program, franchise, team, etc (including yours)? Of course not. Winning always brings people out; losing keeps them home. If we're to make this argument, at least half the msu fans would be "bandwagon" as well.

3. What is the fascination with affiliation to the University, and why does one need it to be a rapid fan? I'm a KC Chief fan, and I am neither a member of the organization, do not live in Missouri or Kansas, have never met anyone affiliated with the Chief organization, and have never set foot in Arrowhead stadium. Am I not qualified to be a Chief fan? I don't get that argument whatsoever.

But even assuming for a moment that there is validity to it, I would assume that people from Missoula and other cities in Montana would be vaild fans under your eyes. And I would argue that 95% of the people in WaGriz are either UM grads, students or live (or have lived) in the state of Montana.

And if that isn't a condition for a fan, then how do you explain the 105,000 people that attend Michigan games. I can promise you not all of those people are Michigan grads. And I know a huge number of Husky fans that have no affiliation with UW other than living in the state of Washington. Please explain your point here further.

I'll answer for him: the cats haven't been marketed in Bozeman nearly as well as the Griz have in Missoula, thus there are fewer casual fans to fill the seats at the litter box. Also, there are fewer people in the Bozeman area than Missoula, so it's harder to fill up a stadium. Above all, the Griz have been far more successful than the cats in the last 15-20 years, and catatac is very bitter about that, and has to resort to calling all Griz fans bandwagoners.

That is not even lame smack Dips--t, are you even in college yet? Christ, your stadium is still only a high school stadium in Texas, Florida...

So that makes your stadium what? Middle school? Way to address the points I made, jackass.

[Egg Salad]

[Billings_Griz]

Geez, are we still getting that "bandwagon" smack?? Can't you come up with anything new (or at least accurate)?

I didn't even know there was an argument. Are you saying that thousands and thousands of the "fans" that pack your stadium on Saturdays aren't only there because they know the Griz are probably going to win? Are you saying that there are not thousands upon thousands of people in your stadium that have absolutely zero affilliation with the university?

And 6-7 yrs ago the cats would pack in 4,000 people. It's no secrete that success will bring in fans, whether you're in Missola, Bozeman or Denver (Rockies, for example).

[Cat-theotherwhitemeat]

...It's no secrete that success will bring in fans, whether you're in Missola, Bozeman or Denver (Rockies, for example).

Apparently Peerless kept spelling a secret.

[Billings_Griz]

...It's no secrete that success will bring in fans, whether you're in Missola, Bozeman or Denver (Rockies, for example).

Apparently Peerless kept spelling a secret.

Now, iei git pisset aht reedink stoopit schitt thatt iei kant spel.

[catatac]

No, H-town... I am not the least bit bitter about the number of fans you get to your games. I could care less. In fact I have several Griz fan buddies that absolutely hate those fans that show up every Saturday, only because the Griz are winning. These are the same fans that boo players, and scream for Hauck's head whenever the Griz lose a game. I promise you that if the Griz went 0-11 for a season... thousands of these fans would clear out and not be back the following year. Would the same thing happen in Bozeman? Absolutely... but not to the same extent. When we went 0-11, there were 6 or 7 thousand fans at each game, and that number didn't change the following year. I don't care to get into a big argument over this, so I'll restate my 3 points and leave it at that:

"Bandwagon" fans annoy the sh!t out of me.
I define "Bandwagon" fans as those fans that only support a team when they're winning
The Griz have a much higher proportion of "Bandwagon" fans than the cats.

Did I make myself clear?

[GrizinWashington]

There's no way the Griz have a higher percentage of bandwagon fans than msu or any other program. They may have a higher number of them, but on a percentage basis, I would argue that if both msu and UM sucked, their attendance would drop by roughly half. That would mean 6-7,000 msu fans, and about 12,000 UM fans. But the percentage would be the same.

And catatac, please address the issue of fans needing affiliation with the University. I'm (truthfullly) not trying to be a jerk. I just do not and have not understood that argument, and I'm hoping you can explain it to me.

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

There's no way the Griz have a higher percentage of bandwagon fans than msu or any other program. They may have a higher number of them, but on a percentage basis, I would argue that if both msu and UM sucked, their attendance would drop by roughly half. That would mean 6-7,000 msu fans, and about 12,000 UM fans. But the percentage would be the same.

And catatac, please address the issue of fans needing affiliation with the University. I'm (truthfullly) not trying to be a jerk. I just do not and have not understood that argument, and I'm hoping you can explain it to me.

There's "no way" the jizz have a higher % of bandwagon fans that MSU or any other program?

Laughable.

[Billings_Griz]

So anyway, this thread was about expansion. How's the purchase of your new "kitty tunnel" coming?

[GrizinWashington]

There's no way the Griz have a higher percentage of bandwagon fans than msu or any other program. They may have a higher number of them, but on a percentage basis, I would argue that if both msu and UM sucked, their attendance would drop by roughly half. That would mean 6-7,000 msu fans, and about 12,000 UM fans. But the percentage would be the same.

And catatac, please address the issue of fans needing affiliation with the University. I'm (truthfullly) not trying to be a jerk. I just do not and have not understood that argument, and I'm hoping you can explain it to me.

There's "no way" the jizz have a higher % of bandwagon fans that MSU or any other program?

Laughable.

Proof please.

[jagur1]

There's no way the Griz have a higher percentage of bandwagon fans than msu or any other program. They may have a higher number of them, but on a percentage basis, I would argue that if both msu and UM sucked, their attendance would drop by roughly half. That would mean 6-7,000 msu fans, and about 12,000 UM fans. But the percentage would be the same.

And catatac, please address the issue of fans needing affiliation with the University. I'm (truthfullly) not trying to be a jerk. I just do not and have not understood that argument, and I'm hoping you can explain it to me.

There's "no way" the jizz have a higher % of bandwagon fans that MSU or any other program?

Laughable.

Proof please.

What do you call the 2000 kids that stand outside the litter box drinking and not going to the game circa 2005?

[Cat Grad]

There's no way the Griz have a higher percentage of bandwagon fans than msu or any other program. They may have a higher number of them, but on a percentage basis, I would argue that if both msu and UM sucked, their attendance would drop by roughly half. That would mean 6-7,000 msu fans, and about 12,000 UM fans. But the percentage would be the same.

And catatac, please address the issue of fans needing affiliation with the University. I'm (truthfullly) not trying to be a jerk. I just do not and have not understood that argument, and I'm hoping you can explain it to me.

There's "no way" the jizz have a higher % of bandwagon fans that MSU or any other program?

Laughable.

Proof please.

What do you call the 2000 kids that stand outside the litter box drinking and not going to the game circa 2005?

Kids, students, graduates, etc. just as there's probably 50-70k floating on the Tennessee River just outside Nehland Stadium in Knoxville or any of the waterways in and around Jacksonville during the World's Largest Cocktail Party. They're at least contributing to the gameday atmosphere; I'm married to somebody who was raised under the impression you leave the game as soon as the bands are done performing in Athens, GA. Cold beer and football pretty much go hand in hand.

[STREETCAT]

There's no way the Griz have a higher percentage of bandwagon fans than msu or any other program. They may have a higher number of them, but on a percentage basis, I would argue that if both msu and UM sucked, their attendance would drop by roughly half. That would mean 6-7,000 msu fans, and about 12,000 UM fans. But the percentage would be the same.

And catatac, please address the issue of fans needing affiliation with the University. I'm (truthfullly) not trying to be a jerk. I just do not and have not understood that argument, and I'm hoping you can explain it to me.

There's "no way" the jizz have a higher % of bandwagon fans that MSU or any other program?

Laughable.

Proof please.

What do you call the 2000 kids that stand outside the litter box drinking and not going to the game circa 2005?

STUDENTS THAT COULDNT GET TICKETS TO CAT GRIZ. I THINK IT IS GREAT THAT WE DO NOT REQUIRE TAILGATES TO SHUT DOWN WITH 5 MINUTTES BEFORE THE GAME AND 5 MINUTTES BEFORE THE SEND HALF!