Split for OSU game thread - C/G schedules and finances

Post by **SonomaCat** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:43 pm

bearBAC wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:
bearBAC wrote:The 'Cats draw over half of what the griz draw, but I don't see anything close to $250000 rolling into our coffers after every home game. Some day, someone will explain what "overhead" means, to you!
This is interesting. Bareback, please explain what you think "overhead" is and how it plays into this discussion. Aren't overhead costs items that exist regardless of whether a game is played or not, and therefore have absolutely no impact on a discussion of home vs. road games?
Well a bus trip to bobcat stadium may cost a little less for MSU than a bus trip to Washington State, or would you fly? Hotels , meals etc. Where does the money for an away game come from ? Doesn't most of the Payoff go to expenses? Or, as you state, it costs the same as if you played at home ?

The Griz cupcakes are paying their own way so the revenue stays in Missoula.

Yeah, okay. Just as I suspected. You have no idea what the term "overhead" means.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:53 pm

Talk about creative math; your "school" had Read come back and buy out Hofstra for 60k, then guarantee how much to a DII school (the rag in Mazzola was nice enough to report how much; other papers quoted what the Hofstra coach thought of you--very similar to the feelings in and around Cheney, but that was another smear on our state by your fine upstanding "businessmen" from years ago and quoted by Sports Illustrated). Are we a little envious by virtue of the fact you enter here and attempt to badmouth our schedule and somehow justify yours? Get a grip and go play with yourself seven times this year. However you view it, this schedule can't be justified except for the fact you've lost a great deal of leadership and talent to graduation. We feel pretty good about our schedule and potential for next year.

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:55 pm

That's Ok...if the friz keep scheduling home and home games and buying out of the away portion...pretty soon no one worth playing will enter into such a one way deal with them....the only games they'll be able to get are with Central Washington!

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:56 pm

What does anything about your budget deficit have to do with who we open the season with next year?

Post by **SonomaCat** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:56 pm

bearBAC wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:
bearBAC wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:
bearBAC wrote:The 'Cats draw over half of what the griz draw, but I don't see anything close to $250000 rolling into our coffers after every home game. Some day, someone will explain what "overhead" means, to you!
This is interesting. Bareback, please explain what you think "overhead" is and how it plays into this discussion. Aren't overhead costs items that exist regardless of whether a game is played or not, and therefore have absolutely no impact on a discussion of home vs. road games?
Well a bus trip to bobcat stadium may cost a little less for MSU than a bus trip to Washington State, or would you fly? Hotels , meals etc. Where does the money for an away game come from ? Doesn't most of the Payoff go to expenses? Or, as you state, it costs the same as if you played at home ?

The Griz cupcakes are paying their own way so the revenue stays in Missoula.
Yeah, okay. Just as I suspected. You have no idea what the term "overhead" means.
I do know that after "overhead" the cats may be able to applie $10,000.00 to $20,000.00 towards their deficit. From the "Big Pay Day"

If you don't even understand the basic concepts, please don't try to talk financial smack. It's just a waste of time.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:58 pm

Trying to be gentle here: what does "guarantee" mean? After expenses, the visitor gets...a check for...???

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 1:39 pm

We know where he went to "school." AAAhhh Duhhh UMMMM

Post by **SonomaCat** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 1:40 pm

Cat Grad wrote:Trying to be gentle here: what does "guarantee" mean? After expenses, the visitor gets...a check for...???

I assume that any games that MSU or UM would travel for wouldn't involve anything called a "guarantee," as I think that term is usually used in relation to contingency arrangements (% of ticket sales, etc.). For our games, I assume we just get a set payment to show up and play, a portion of which goes to pay the travel expenses, which Gary tells us runs about $60K. So if we have a $250 payout on a game, we should expect to net about $190K to the program, after all non-overhead expenses (which is all one cares about when making a comparison between hosting a game or going on the road).

I'll leave the identification of overhead items and the best ways to allocate those to different home and road games/events/etc., to bareback, since he needs the homework.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:02 pm

Excellent point BAC; that's why I was so upset to see we were only "guaranteed" 250k which is almost half the going rate to play up now. However, after rereading what Fields stated and not being privy to the books, I understand OSU will present a check to MSU in addition to travel expenses to include their charter, unlike a "school" I don't care to discuss that got stuck with a charter bill to fly east...

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:25 pm

Since this has now been split into this topic, I have one other point I'd like to bring up. If I were a Griz fan, I would be very unhappy with how you guys handled the Portland State game last year. Baby Huck was quoted in the Trib. during pre-season, whining and complaining about how they had to "Take a bus" for the Portland State game in order to save expenses and whittle down the debt. He mentioned that it would be too tough on the team and not only woul it make that game tougher but would affect the team for the remaining games. Apparently at some point he said Screw it, I don't want to risk the loss, we're spending the money to fly. In case you don't remember, they lost anyway. Point is, if he would have stuck to the original plan and saved the cash, maybe you wouldn't now be looking like a team that keeps backing out of travelling to play teams that are predicted to be tough. A 1-AA power, fresh off playing in the national title game, scheduling 2 DII's. You gotta admit that is weak.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:51 pm

We know you'd love to see those records. We have a lot more faith in our school, staff and players than that. Besides, we may not win every game but we know they'll be great games--even against OSU. It's the one away game I'll have to be at this year. I know we have much better athletes than the ones that went to Florida (many of the kids could and probably should have chosen to go to a D1 program) and OSU is in a state of turmoil right now. Gotta like those odds. Just hope they're all in the weight room, running the stairs, etc., etc.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:54 pm

Cat Grad wrote:We know you'd love to see those records. We have a lot more faith in our school, staff and players than that. Besides, we may not win every game but we know they'll be great games--even against OSU. It's the one away game I'll have to be at this year. I know we have much better athletes than the ones that went to Florida (many of the kids could and probably should have chosen to go to a D1 program) and OSU is in a state of turmoil right now. Gotta like those odds. Just hope they're all in the weight room, running the stairs, etc., etc.

I like your optimism, but realistically, IF we play offensively like we did towards the season, (600 yards offense), IF we end up with a kick-a$$ running like we didn't have last year, and IF our D rebounds to where it's been the past 3 years, and IF OSU has a bad game, we could hang with them. Lotta IF's. I'll just be hoping for a not-too-ugly injury-free, exciting game to watch.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 5:09 pm

I know you can't compare apples and oranges; BUT, look at how Colorado State did against USC last year, how our kids finally starting running the right routes and holding on to the ball, how we had a decent job by the line blocking for the running backs and they hit the holes against CSU; then look at what we have coming back, the redshirts, what we'll pick up to fill the holes. Last--look at what OSU did in their bowl game. There's no way an offensive coordinator will be able to right the ship defensively for the first game of the year--he's going to want to steal the good athletes and stick them on offense and forget about the defense like a smaller school that doesn't have the luxury of recruiting athletes. I can't wait for next year. Plus, I remember when our basketball team went down there and upset the college powers that be by having the audacity to win the All College Tournament. See I know I'm not supposed to be superstitious because it's bad luck, but I'm superstitious anyway. Plus, I spent many years in the south where small schools routinely beat larger schools at the high school and college level. They let the kids on the field determine the outcome and I think Oklahoma is the same way. We have better athletes in Bozo than they do; do our kids believe in themselves? Again, I can't wait to see.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:23 am

Once again, I like your optimism, but let's come back to earth here. Our athletes are NOT better, as a whole. Would I take Travis Lulay over anyone on their team? Probably. Might be a few others as well, but overall, their athletes are faster, stronger, and more talented. That's why they're in the Big 12. This is a team that beat teams like Missouri, and UCLA. They crushed Colorado. They barely lost to Oklahoma (3 points). We lost to Sac. State last year.

Not trying to burst your bubble here, but let's be realistic.

WYCAT · Post by **WYCAT** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:29 am

All true Catatac. Our best chance for respect in a game like this is to keep it close and with a few breaks along the way the score will be within a TD or two at the end. I do think this is as good a time as any though to play a team of OSU's level. New coach, several key personnel lossess, from last season, first game of the year when they will be trying a lot of things for the first time, etc. But can we pull the upset - not a chance in hell. OSU is several notches above a Wyoming or Colorado State.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:16 am

Money aside. MSU's schedule will be great exposure for the team this year again. I mean, who wouldn't want the chance to play tough teams on a tough schedule if your a competitive athlete. I would think that totally helps in the recruiting telling recruits we play 1-A schools on consistent basis each year.

jagur1 · Post by **jagur1** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:33 am

as opposed to playing 3 playoff games on ESPN?

all I can say is, "losers".