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D-Wreck
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by D-Wreck » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:17 pm
GrizinWashington wrote:Oh, I'm doing just fine thanks, although I will say that during the last 12 months or so, I've lost nearly $900,000 in net worth.
Truthfully, I don't fully blame Bush for the horrible economy (anyone who suggests that this economy is healthy is simply uninformed). While his tax cuts combined with the ridiculous spending (primarily on the war in Iraq) were completely unsustainable and were destined to create a financial collapse, and while he and his administration ignored responsible action in the Fed, leading directly to the credit crunch, I undesrtand that economies are cyclical. Bush's administration simply made this bottom MUCH lower than it needed to.
If you've lost that much and are still doing fine, I was wondering if you had room for a new employee. Political Science, GPA over a 3, available in May, and I actually work. Just saying, I'm available.

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CapitalCityCat
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by CapitalCityCat » Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:05 pm
TIrwin24 wrote: You're an idiot.
You've had 3-4 previous posters verify the strength of the economy prior to this year, not to mention the countless others out there throughout the rest of the country and you have the nerve to say that Bush has done "nothing good?" Wake up
I'll take the state of the entire US economy and the millions who've lost jobs in the past year alone over the postings of 3-4 BN posters anyday and "countless" others. Congrats to those posters who did well and perservered through 8 years of Bush. You (or your businesses) obviously know what they were doing or are recession proof (as some businesses are by nature).
I love all the posters who come on here and bash Obama before he's even taken office. Let's give the guy a chance. If after half his term is over, and he hasn't made any significant changes to the economy, the unemployment rate, world affairs, then I say you have every right to criticize him. But what's the point right now? Some of you are writing him off before he's even sworn in.
Retiring my moniker. It's time to ride off into the sunset. It's been a fun ride. Go Cats.
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RMD
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by RMD » Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:17 pm
CapitalCityCat wrote:TIrwin24 wrote: You're an idiot.
You've had 3-4 previous posters verify the strength of the economy prior to this year, not to mention the countless others out there throughout the rest of the country and you have the nerve to say that Bush has done "nothing good?" Wake up
I'll take the state of the entire US economy and the millions who've lost jobs in the past year alone over the postings of 3-4 BN posters anyday and "countless" others. Congrats to those posters who did well and perservered through 8 years of Bush. You (or your businesses) obviously know what they were doing or are recession proof (as some businesses are by nature).
I love all the posters who come on here and bash Obama before he's even taken office. Let's give the guy a chance. If after half his term is over, and he hasn't made any significant changes to the economy, the unemployment rate, world affairs, then I say you have every right to criticize him. But what's the point right now? Some of you are writing him off before he's even sworn in.
on the same token, why is allot of people out there praising him as the best thing since sliced bread before he takes office???

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whitetrashgriz
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by whitetrashgriz » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:30 pm
RMD wrote:CapitalCityCat wrote:TIrwin24 wrote: You're an idiot.
You've had 3-4 previous posters verify the strength of the economy prior to this year, not to mention the countless others out there throughout the rest of the country and you have the nerve to say that Bush has done "nothing good?" Wake up
I'll take the state of the entire US economy and the millions who've lost jobs in the past year alone over the postings of 3-4 BN posters anyday and "countless" others. Congrats to those posters who did well and perservered through 8 years of Bush. You (or your businesses) obviously know what they were doing or are recession proof (as some businesses are by nature).
I love all the posters who come on here and bash Obama before he's even taken office. Let's give the guy a chance. If after half his term is over, and he hasn't made any significant changes to the economy, the unemployment rate, world affairs, then I say you have every right to criticize him. But what's the point right now? Some of you are writing him off before he's even sworn in.
on the same token, why is allot of people out there praising him as the best thing since sliced bread before he takes office???

for the same reason that everyone else is saying how bad of a president he'll be before he even takes office.

do you have to know everything to post here? or just think you do?
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by catatonic1 » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:00 pm
CapitalCityCat wrote:
I'll take the state of the entire US economy and the millions who've lost jobs in the past year alone.
What percentage of these people lost their jobs after the media informed the nation that the messiah would be the next ruler? Didn't the economy tank at the same proportion as the rise of the messiah? What's his plan to fix it? The few he wants to sacrifice to save the many saw the writing on the wall and cashed out of the market and ran already, how far down the sacrificial list are you? I cashed out of the market last April and parked my bank in T-bills. I'm in the stall mode and won't expand my business, nor hire any new employees, like I'd planned on doing up to 6 months ago. Even though my inaction's increase the problem. I'm not willing to expand at this point and pay out Obama bucks, as a penalty. I pay more than a fair wage for a fair days work along with IRAs, profit sharing and Med. Insurance. I won't risk losing what I've built, by buying into some Socialistic Utopian dream. Some people have a drive to succeed while others enjoy sitting around doing nothing, being leeches. We are not created equal and we deserve what we're willing to earn and nothing more and nothing less.

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AlphaGriz1
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by AlphaGriz1 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:24 am
CapitalCityCat wrote:TIrwin24 wrote: You're an idiot.
You've had 3-4 previous posters verify the strength of the economy prior to this year, not to mention the countless others out there throughout the rest of the country and you have the nerve to say that Bush has done "nothing good?" Wake up
I'll take the state of the entire US economy and the millions who've lost jobs in the past year alone over the postings of 3-4 BN posters anyday and "countless" others. Congrats to those posters who did well and perservered through 8 years of Bush. You (or your businesses) obviously know what they were doing or are recession proof (as some businesses are by nature).
I love all the posters who come on here and bash Obama before he's even taken office. Let's give the guy a chance. If after half his term is over, and he hasn't made any significant changes to the economy, the unemployment rate, world affairs, then I say you have every right to criticize him. But what's the point right now? Some of you are writing him off before he's even sworn in.
So are Hussein Obama's tax cuts going work?
He is spending more than Bush and he isn't even in office yet.................just wondering if this will track with what a few have said above about Dubya.
P.S. His inauguration is going to cost $150 million.................it's a good thing that's not our money they are spending.
He could have bought 200 Humvees with armor for our troops but instead he chose to spend it on a 3 minute ceremony.
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by catatonic1 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:08 am
His inauguration is going to cost $150 million.................how many unemployment checks would that make?
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GrizinWashington
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by GrizinWashington » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:42 am
catatonic1 wrote:His inauguration is going to cost $150 million.................how many unemployment checks would that make?
This argument could be made with any President. Hell, how much did the infamous (not to say ridiculous) landing on the aircraft carrier cost ("Mission Accomplished")?
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by longhorn_22 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:02 pm
How do you spend your way out of a recession?
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CapitalCityCat
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by CapitalCityCat » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:08 pm
catatonic1 wrote:His inauguration is going to cost $150 million.................how many unemployment checks would that make?
While I agree that the amount is rather large, the entire amount cannot all be blamed on the Obama administration. Washington D.C. is asking for an additional $15 million, and Maryland and Virginia are both asking for approximately $10 million-$15 million each in emergency funding to handle the estimated 2.5 million people that are expected to congregate to the DC area. The sheer number of people expected to show up (even if they are not officially attending an event), is driving the costs up.
The Clinton inauguration in 97 was $42 million, Bush's in 2005 was $49 million. I've heard estimates that the actual cost for Obama's inauguration is anywhere from $50-$70 million, and I presume with the increased number of people attending, that the number is about in line with previous years.
Retiring my moniker. It's time to ride off into the sunset. It's been a fun ride. Go Cats.
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catatonic1
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by catatonic1 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:28 pm
CapitalCityCat wrote:catatonic1 wrote:His inauguration is going to cost $150 million.................how many unemployment checks would that make?
While I agree that the amount is rather large, the entire amount cannot all be blamed on the Obama administration. Washington D.C. is asking for an additional $15 million, and Maryland and Virginia are both asking for approximately $10 million-$15 million each in emergency funding to handle the estimated 2.5 million people that are expected to congregate to the DC area. The sheer number of people expected to show up (even if they are not officially attending an event), is driving the costs up.
The Clinton inauguration in 97 was $42 million, Bush's in 2005 was $49 million. I've heard estimates that the actual cost for Obama's inauguration is anywhere from $50-$70 million, and I presume with the increased number of people attending, that the number is about in line with previous years.
Shouldn't a true massiah put a stop to this rediculous wasteful spending?
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by GrizinWashington » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:34 pm
Most of it is beyond his control. Inaugurations are required by the Constitution, so he can't just cancel the thing. The majority of the expenses come from security, both to the President as well as to American citizens. Neither seems a waste of money to me. The "fluff" expenditures come from donations. One can argue all day long about whether that money could better be spent elsewhere. But frankly, more money is spent studying owl eye disease in Rhode Island than will be spent on the inauguration.
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by catatonic1 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:51 pm
Owl eye disease? Thank God, my tax dollars are at least going to something worth wild!

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by Grizlaw » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:52 pm
longhorn_22 wrote:How do you spend your way out of a recession?
It's easy -- we just need someone to start a World War. It worked like a charm last time.
Come to think of it -- maybe Bush did have a sound economic plan. He just needs a few more years of control over our military to be able to fully implement it.

I work as an attorney so that I can afford good scotch, which helps me to forget that I work as an attorney.
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by AlphaGriz1 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:33 pm
GrizinWashington wrote:Most of it is beyond his control. Inaugurations are required by the Constitution, so he can't just cancel the thing. The majority of the expenses come from security, both to the President as well as to American citizens. Neither seems a waste of money to me. The "fluff" expenditures come from donations. One can argue all day long about whether that money could better be spent elsewhere. But frankly, more money is spent studying owl eye disease in Rhode Island than will be spent on the inauguration.
He could hold it in a room with 20 people and broadcast/stream it over the internet.................charge a dollar to watch in the comfort of your own home and maybe he could make money off this instead of spending it.
He's the President if he wanted to he could put a stop to the whole spending gala thing and do it on the cheap.
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by GrizinWashington » Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:05 pm
AlphaGriz1 wrote:GrizinWashington wrote:Most of it is beyond his control. Inaugurations are required by the Constitution, so he can't just cancel the thing. The majority of the expenses come from security, both to the President as well as to American citizens. Neither seems a waste of money to me. The "fluff" expenditures come from donations. One can argue all day long about whether that money could better be spent elsewhere. But frankly, more money is spent studying owl eye disease in Rhode Island than will be spent on the inauguration.
He could hold it in a room with 20 people and broadcast/stream it over the internet.................charge a dollar to watch in the comfort of your own home and maybe he could make money off this instead of spending it.
He's the President if he wanted to he could put a stop to the whole spending gala thing and do it on the cheap.
Agreed. He certainly could. But so could have Bush I and II. Or Reagan. Or any of the other so called "conservatives".
And if he did, franklly I'd immediately sell my Treasuries and my equities, I'd pull every dollar out of the bank, and I'd buy gold bouillon.
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by AlphaGriz1 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:59 pm
Anyone of the assh*les could have, that's not the point he was sold as "different", you may have heard him refer to "change" a time or two?
He's not about change, he's the same old, same old, scumbag politician and he may be more crooked than a few in the past.
Oh and if a President did do such a thing and saved some money please elaborate on why you would pull your money out and buy gold bullion?
Maybe there is an underlying reason why you are losing so much money.
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by Catfan6969 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:41 pm
GrizinWashington wrote:TIrwin24 wrote:futurebobcat wrote:Because in just 7 short days... no more bush... too bad alpha! we know how bad you wanted his legacy to continue with Mccain..

Better luck in 4 more years..

I hope you don't plan on being a small business owner someday with our new prez elect. But when that day comes when you are old enough to fully understand what I'm talking about, you'll probably have already changed your mind.
Yeah, because so many small businesses (or large businesses. Or medium businesses. Or huge corporations. Or micro-companies) have just FLOURISHED under Bush.

All I know is that for the first 7 years of the Bush Administration, my dad ran a very, very successful small business and even was able to open up a second. Now, he along with many other small business owners are very nervous.
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by Billings_Griz » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:43 am
Catfan6969 wrote:GrizinWashington wrote:TIrwin24 wrote:futurebobcat wrote:Because in just 7 short days... no more bush... too bad alpha! we know how bad you wanted his legacy to continue with Mccain..

Better luck in 4 more years..

I hope you don't plan on being a small business owner someday with our new prez elect. But when that day comes when you are old enough to fully understand what I'm talking about, you'll probably have already changed your mind.
Yeah, because so many small businesses (or large businesses. Or medium businesses. Or huge corporations. Or micro-companies) have just FLOURISHED under Bush.

All I know is that for the first 7 years of the Bush Administration, my dad ran a very, very successful small business and even was able to open up a second. Now, he along with many other small business owners are very nervous.
We (you) can blame it on Bush or you could blame it on Clinton (who wanted every Tom, Dick & Hairy to be a homeowner) but, as a small business owner myself, I'm pulling for Obama to turn things around. The Gov't won't let the country crumble. Even CTOWM would look good.
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TIrwin24
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by TIrwin24 » Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:13 am
Catfan6969 wrote:GrizinWashington wrote:TIrwin24 wrote:futurebobcat wrote:Because in just 7 short days... no more bush... too bad alpha! we know how bad you wanted his legacy to continue with Mccain..

Better luck in 4 more years..

I hope you don't plan on being a small business owner someday with our new prez elect. But when that day comes when you are old enough to fully understand what I'm talking about, you'll probably have already changed your mind.
Yeah, because so many small businesses (or large businesses. Or medium businesses. Or huge corporations. Or micro-companies) have just FLOURISHED under Bush.

All I know is that for the first 7 years of the Bush Administration, my dad ran a very, very successful small business and even was able to open up a second. Now, he along with many other small business owners are very nervous.
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