Is it time for Ash to go yet?

[cats2506]

Pull your heads out of your asses!

This season isn't over yet!

WE HAVE ONE CONFERENCE LOSS!

There are 5 one loss teams in this conference at this point, of the one team that has no BSC losses they have only played 2 conference games so far and still have to play 4 of the 5. The BSC is still wide open and we still have that opertunity. that all being said our offense really sucked yesterday, our defense did everything needed to win but offense needs to score more than 3 points.

[AlphaGriz1]

As much as I cant stand most griz fans Alpha speaks the truth here with one exception, the QB of the future of this team is McGhee, I like Desin too but not at QB.

You are correct McGhee may be the QB of the future but with a healthy Desin you can win now, not in 2-3 years.

[GRZSLAYER]

Sorry guys but Ash is a great guy to clean up a program, but he is a F'in idiot when it comes to coaching, along with his offensive coordinator. He might be a good coach at division 2, but that's it. Even in the sunday paper he and the plays said he was outcoached. They didn't print that exactly word for word, but read it. The NAU coaches made changes and saw things in our team they could expose and beat. Our coaches didn't do ******!! They may be able to recriut well and choose a kid with good character, but they might be one of the worse coaching staffs in the division. Thanks for bringing some good kids to MSU, but it's time for you to hit the road ASH!! You are one of the least knowledgable coaches in the converence with one of the most talented teams and it shows!! BYE BYE!!

[MashTun]

Please stop feeding this dope.

Yes. PLEASE quit feeding the trolls. It only encourages them!

[Common Cat]

Sorry guys but Ash is a great guy to clean up a program, but he is a F'in idiot when it comes to coaching, along with his offensive coordinator. He might be a good coach at division 2, but that's it. Even in the sunday paper he and the plays said he was outcoached. They didn't print that exactly word for word, but read it. The NAU coaches made changes and saw things in our team they could expose and beat. Our coaches didn't do ******!! They may be able to recriut well and choose a kid with good character, but they might be one of the worse coaching staffs in the division. Thanks for bringing some good kids to MSU, but it's time for you to hit the road ASH!! You are one of the least knowledgable coaches in the converence with one of the most talented teams and it shows!! BYE BYE!!

I am going to disagree. I think Ash is doing alright...remember he inherited a mess and is building our program from the bottom up instead of top down like kramer. It is easy to play arm chair coach after a loss, but I have to believe that he is a much more knowledgable than any of us posting on this site. Here's the deal... HE will reflect and I am betting we will get better. I too am tired of let downs after winning big. I think this program needs to learn how to win. I think Ash needs to step up in his leadership, but I do feel he is doing good things here. I haven't seen the amount of talent on a bobcat field as we do now...nor the depth. We'll be fine. And personally I tired of the attitudes on this website. we are either on tops of peaks or down in the biggest trench. I think go scats had a thread about it the other week...we see it every year. We have a great team and an awesome defense. Coaches will learn as well as players. I'd rather have Ash and Co. than Kramer and his staff. Believe me, Ash feels the pressure of this loss. But keep your chin up, we'll get there. And finally, instead of complaining( because it does nobody no good) chill out and post something worth reading.

[bobcatbob]

I agree Common Cat. We have more talent on this team than we ever had before. The problem is a lot of them are redshirts or true freshman. The make mistakes now but in a year they will be more mature and those will disappear. I feel then we will start seeing the positive results. The one area though that we need help is DB. That is the position that is killing us. I think we need to be more aggressive with more blitzes too. I am positive about our coaching staff and I think once some of these young guys get a year under their belt we are going to be a strong team!

[bobcat2002]

Sorry guys but Ash is a great guy to clean up a program, but he is a F'in idiot when it comes to coaching, along with his offensive coordinator. He might be a good coach at division 2, but that's it. Even in the sunday paper he and the plays said he was outcoached. They didn't print that exactly word for word, but read it. The NAU coaches made changes and saw things in our team they could expose and beat. Our coaches didn't do ******!! They may be able to recriut well and choose a kid with good character, but they might be one of the worse coaching staffs in the division. Thanks for bringing some good kids to MSU, but it's time for you to hit the road ASH!! You are one of the least knowledgable coaches in the converence with one of the most talented teams and it shows!! BYE BYE!!

I am going to disagree. I think Ash is doing alright...remember he inherited a mess and is building our program from the bottom up instead of top down like kramer. It is easy to play arm chair coach after a loss, but I have to believe that he is a much more knowledgable than any of us posting on this site. Here's the deal... HE will reflect and I am betting we will get better. I too am tired of let downs after winning big. I think this program needs to learn how to win. I think Ash needs to step up in his leadership, but I do feel he is doing good things here. I haven't seen the amount of talent on a bobcat field as we do now...nor the depth. We'll be fine. And personally I tired of the attitudes on this website. we are either on tops of peaks or down in the biggest trench. I think go scats had a thread about it the other week...we see it every year. We have a great team and an awesome defense. Coaches will learn as well as players. I'd rather have Ash and Co. than Kramer and his staff. Believe me, Ash feels the pressure of this loss. But keep your chin up, we'll get there. And finally, instead of complaining( because it does nobody no good) chill out and post something worth reading.

How can you say Ash inherited a mess besides for the apr issues? Most of the dominant players on defense are all kramer players, i.e. retoriano, fletcher, gazzero, bignell, etc. I havent seen any of ash's recruits do anything besides Thomas, Nicol, and Gilbert. Also could be said the key offensive players as well such as the whole offensive line.

Aside from the recruits, ash's playcalling has to come into question. The offense has not been efficient since ash and co. arrived and it was thought that ash now calling the plays would change a few things. but nothing has. it cant all be about the players. the offense just looks way too predictable to me. sorry for the negativity, but there needs to be a change.

[Common Cat]

Sorry guys but Ash is a great guy to clean up a program, but he is a F'in idiot when it comes to coaching, along with his offensive coordinator. He might be a good coach at division 2, but that's it. Even in the sunday paper he and the plays said he was outcoached. They didn't print that exactly word for word, but read it. The NAU coaches made changes and saw things in our team they could expose and beat. Our coaches didn't do ******!! They may be able to recriut well and choose a kid with good character, but they might be one of the worse coaching staffs in the division. Thanks for bringing some good kids to MSU, but it's time for you to hit the road ASH!! You are one of the least knowledgable coaches in the converence with one of the most talented teams and it shows!! BYE BYE!!

I am going to disagree. I think Ash is doing alright...remember he inherited a mess and is building our program from the bottom up instead of top down like kramer. It is easy to play arm chair coach after a loss, but I have to believe that he is a much more knowledgable than any of us posting on this site. Here's the deal... HE will reflect and I am betting we will get better. I too am tired of let downs after winning big. I think this program needs to learn how to win. I think Ash needs to step up in his leadership, but I do feel he is doing good things here. I haven't seen the amount of talent on a bobcat field as we do now...nor the depth. We'll be fine. And personally I tired of the attitudes on this website. we are either on tops of peaks or down in the biggest trench. I think go scats had a thread about it the other week...we see it every year. We have a great team and an awesome defense. Coaches will learn as well as players. I'd rather have Ash and Co. than Kramer and his staff. Believe me, Ash feels the pressure of this loss. But keep your chin up, we'll get there. And finally, instead of complaining( because it does nobody no good) chill out and post something worth reading.

How can you say Ash inherited a mess besides for the apr issues? Most of the dominant players on defense are all kramer players, i.e. retoriano, fletcher, gazzero, bignell, etc. I havent seen any of ash's recruits do anything besides Thomas, Nicol, and Gilbert. Also could be said the key offensive players as well such as the whole offensive line.

Aside from the recruits, ash's playcalling has to come into question. The offense has not been efficient since ash and co. arrived and it was thought that ash now calling the plays would change a few things. but nothing has. it cant all be about the players. the offense just looks way too predictable to me. sorry for the negativity, but there needs to be a change.

The answer is obvious...it is the recruiting styles. Kramer was a big drop down guy-people who contributed immediatly but with limited eligibility. ON the other hand ash is recruiting mostly high school recruits, who take time to develope. You are not going to see instant results when you overhaul a program like that.

[catnipt]

Sorry guys but Ash is a great guy to clean up a program, but he is a F'in idiot when it comes to coaching, along with his offensive coordinator. He might be a good coach at division 2, but that's it. Even in the sunday paper he and the plays said he was outcoached. They didn't print that exactly word for word, but read it. The NAU coaches made changes and saw things in our team they could expose and beat. Our coaches didn't do ******!! They may be able to recriut well and choose a kid with good character, but they might be one of the worse coaching staffs in the division. Thanks for bringing some good kids to MSU, but it's time for you to hit the road ASH!! You are one of the least knowledgable coaches in the converence with one of the most talented teams and it shows!! BYE BYE!!

I am going to disagree. I think Ash is doing alright...remember he inherited a mess and is building our program from the bottom up instead of top down like kramer. It is easy to play arm chair coach after a loss, but I have to believe that he is a much more knowledgable than any of us posting on this site. Here's the deal... HE will reflect and I am betting we will get better. I too am tired of let downs after winning big. I think this program needs to learn how to win. I think Ash needs to step up in his leadership, but I do feel he is doing good things here. I haven't seen the amount of talent on a bobcat field as we do now...nor the depth. We'll be fine. And personally I tired of the attitudes on this website. we are either on tops of peaks or down in the biggest trench. I think go scats had a thread about it the other week...we see it every year. We have a great team and an awesome defense. Coaches will learn as well as players. I'd rather have Ash and Co. than Kramer and his staff. Believe me, Ash feels the pressure of this loss. But keep your chin up, we'll get there. And finally, instead of complaining( because it does nobody no good) chill out and post something worth reading.

I didnt know Ash's mom lived in Great Falls.

Dude the guy is a total putz, and i know for a fact that many players and players family think the same thing.

[Common Cat]

Sorry guys but Ash is a great guy to clean up a program, but he is a F'in idiot when it comes to coaching, along with his offensive coordinator. He might be a good coach at division 2, but that's it. Even in the sunday paper he and the plays said he was outcoached. They didn't print that exactly word for word, but read it. The NAU coaches made changes and saw things in our team they could expose and beat. Our coaches didn't do ******!! They may be able to recriut well and choose a kid with good character, but they might be one of the worse coaching staffs in the division. Thanks for bringing some good kids to MSU, but it's time for you to hit the road ASH!! You are one of the least knowledgable coaches in the converence with one of the most talented teams and it shows!! BYE BYE!!

I am going to disagree. I think Ash is doing alright...remember he inherited a mess and is building our program from the bottom up instead of top down like kramer. It is easy to play arm chair coach after a loss, but I have to believe that he is a much more knowledgable than any of us posting on this site. Here's the deal... HE will reflect and I am betting we will get better. I too am tired of let downs after winning big. I think this program needs to learn how to win. I think Ash needs to step up in his leadership, but I do feel he is doing good things here. I haven't seen the amount of talent on a bobcat field as we do now...nor the depth. We'll be fine. And personally I tired of the attitudes on this website. we are either on tops of peaks or down in the biggest trench. I think go scats had a thread about it the other week...we see it every year. We have a great team and an awesome defense. Coaches will learn as well as players. I'd rather have Ash and Co. than Kramer and his staff. Believe me, Ash feels the pressure of this loss. But keep your chin up, we'll get there. And finally, instead of complaining( because it does nobody no good) chill out and post something worth reading.

I didnt know Ash's mom lived in Great Falls.

Dude the guy is a total putz, and i know for a fact that many players and players family think the same thing.

A quick gallup poll shows that no one likes you. leave and save face

[catnipt]

The truth is the truth and some times it even hurts doesnt it Common Scat?? I am in the know on this one, Ash does not have his teams total respect. And im not just talking about non starters who always bitch about the coach. Just tellin it the way it is Common Cat, you can hide your head in the cat box but the world will just pass you by pal!

[Common Cat]

The truth is the truth and some times it even hurts doesnt it Common Scat?? I am in the know on this one, Ash does not have his teams total respect. And im not just talking about non starters who always bitch about the coach. Just tellin it the way it is Common Cat, you can hide your head in the cat box but the world will just pass you by pal!

And I never disagreed with you...I just stated that nobody likes you. Hey if you get your kicks out of posting garbage on a rivals board than I honestly feel sorry for you. I am not sure what kind of man gets a kick out of that, but I do know it is not honorable. I come here to have good conversations with other bobcat fans...even fans of other teams, but when you are here soley to be a nuinsance, well it gets old and nobody appreciates you, besides your kind.

Players might not like ash, infact I've heard that from others too. Obviously he has alot to work on. But I do feel he has got us in a better direction. Now he needs to help us take the next step, because obviously something is wrong.

[TomCat88]

Ash isn't going to be fired this week, if that's what's being asked. I seriously doubt he would be after the season either. I know no one wants to re-hash the whole 2007 firing-hiring fiasco, but we don't need to fire Ash right now and do that again.

He got a huge win last week and went so far as to call it the biggest win of his career. That should've thrown up red flags for everyone that a let down loomed. Throw in homecoming and the fact that we didn't really play that well against WSU and it happened. I was hoping that if we could survive all that and get a win it would signal good times ahead. Hopefully he (and we) have all learned a valuable lesson from that. No matter what happens the week before you have to forget about it and get ready for the next game immediately.

Ash is a work in progress and that should've been pointed out the day he got the job. He was a better than average coach at some very small football programs and had no experience at this level as an assitant. This is what we got the day he was hired, but I think the fans at MSU were misled a little bit when all that wasn't pointed out. Not by the school, but by media members including myself.

He stated that he wanted to coach a team that could make the playoffs and that's what motivated him to put in for this job. I'm glad for him and I think he desperately wants to make the playoffs. No one wants that more than Rob Ash.

Everything he does is, in a way, new and he has to re-train himself into being a coach at this level and playing against teams that play the style that BSC teams play. It's totally different that what he was brought up on. He's trying to do that at the same time he's trying to find players to fit his system, but it's hard to say that he's found a system yet.

For now you have to hope that he's learning on the fly. The season's not over by any stretch of the imagination. Most thought we'd be 2-1 at this point and we are. We have to establish an offense and win five of our next six games. I think if we can begin to function on offense we can do that. That's a big IF.

[catnipt]

The truth is the truth and some times it even hurts doesnt it Common Scat?? I am in the know on this one, Ash does not have his teams total respect. And im not just talking about non starters who always bitch about the coach. Just tellin it the way it is Common Cat, you can hide your head in the cat box but the world will just pass you by pal!

And I never disagreed with you...I just stated that nobody likes you. Hey if you get your kicks out of posting garbage on a rivals board than I honestly feel sorry for you. I am not sure what kind of man gets a kick out of that, but I do know it is not honorable. I come here to have good conversations with other bobcat fans...even fans of other teams, but when you are here soley to be a nuinsance, well it gets old and nobody appreciates you, besides your kind.

Players might not like ash, infact I've heard that from others too. Obviously he has alot to work on. But I do feel he has got us in a better direction. Now he needs to help us take the next step, because obviously something is wrong.

Actually the players like Ash, but they do not respect him as a coach. How could you not like Ash, he is a very good man. There is a differance like/respect.

[BwanaCat]

Now I suppose you are going to tell us that all griz players and their families love and respect Booby Hauck

You know Catnipt, you really are a sad, sad example of a human being. I mean you really are. You know what I do with your posts? I actually copy them and send them to um president Dennison just so he knows what a pathetic loser he has as a griz fan. I bet he really thinks you're cool!

[catatonic1]

Were you the lead tattletailer last year in kindergarten, too?

[catnipt]

Now I suppose you are going to tell us that all griz players and their families love and respect Booby Hauck

You know Catnipt, you really are a sad, sad example of a human being. I mean you really are. You know what I do with your posts? I actually copy them and send them to um president Dennison just so he knows what a pathetic loser he has as a griz fan. I bet he really thinks you're cool!

Actually many and even most Griz players think Bobby is a total prick but they respect him for what he is on a football field and would walk on fire for the man. I personally think Bobby is a prick too, but as the coach of my favorite team, he just wins football games.

[GRZSLAYER]

Sorry guys but Ash is a great guy to clean up a program, but he is a F'in idiot when it comes to coaching, along with his offensive coordinator. He might be a good coach at division 2, but that's it. Even in the sunday paper he and the plays said he was outcoached. They didn't print that exactly word for word, but read it. The NAU coaches made changes and saw things in our team they could expose and beat. Our coaches didn't do ******!! They may be able to recriut well and choose a kid with good character, but they might be one of the worse coaching staffs in the division. Thanks for bringing some good kids to MSU, but it's time for you to hit the road ASH!! You are one of the least knowledgable coaches in the converence with one of the most talented teams and it shows!! BYE BYE!!

I am going to disagree. I think Ash is doing alright...remember he inherited a mess and is building our program from the bottom up instead of top down like kramer. It is easy to play arm chair coach after a loss, but I have to believe that he is a much more knowledgable than any of us posting on this site. Here's the deal... HE will reflect and I am betting we will get better. I too am tired of let downs after winning big. I think this program needs to learn how to win. I think Ash needs to step up in his leadership, but I do feel he is doing good things here. I haven't seen the amount of talent on a bobcat field as we do now...nor the depth. We'll be fine. And personally I tired of the attitudes on this website. we are either on tops of peaks or down in the biggest trench. I think go scats had a thread about it the other week...we see it every year. We have a great team and an awesome defense. Coaches will learn as well as players. I'd rather have Ash and Co. than Kramer and his staff. Believe me, Ash feels the pressure of this loss. But keep your chin up, we'll get there. And finally, instead of complaining( because it does nobody no good) chill out and post something worth reading.

Okay Common, for the record Ash has a lot more knowledge than me. DUH!!! Thanks for the analogy captain obvious. But back to the point. Everybody likes Ash as a person, he just sucks as a coach. If everything is true about him having to learn to win at this level than all we hired as another player but gave him the headset and clipboard. I think ash as a recruiter is the best in the Big Sky, but with him at the helm our offense is horrific to say the least. I can't describe his offense because it wouldn't be allowed on this web page. Like he said he wanted to come here to coach a playoff team, but with him running the offense and calling the plays we aren't going to be seeing the post season any time soon. I do hope he feels the pressure because after this game he should. If he doesn't he is a F'in idiot. Look as a person I think Ash is awesome, as a recuriter the best in the conference. Maybe the key to our future would be to get rid of Mantits Peter Fields and get us a new athletic director while were at it. I love seeing him at the gym all the time with his man bra on. that's a great image for our athletic department. I'd laugh at us also if I didn't love MSU so much. On a closing note, I will keep my chin up, but I'm tired of people always talking about how good the future will be because guess what?? OPen your eyes and look at the obvious, nothings changing.

[grizzh8r]

I get so sick and ****** tired of hearing the worms come out and bitch and immediately cry "Fire Coach Ash" when the Cats lose a game. Go root for the Griz, ye of little faith.

Coach Ash is not responsible for 2 fumbles, one of which was in the redzone. Coach Ash is not responsible for a bad snap that ends up killing decent field position. Coach Ash is not responsible for a BONEHEAD muffed punt that set NAU up on the doorstep.

DId you people even watch the game? MSU moved the ball very effectively in the first half, and had they not had the two fumbles and the bad snap, this game WOULD have turned out much differently. We had the momentum and the D on their heels. That was where the game was lost - the three HUGE first half mistakes. You lose the turnover battle, you most always lose the game, especially in a defensive battle. Our D played more than well enough to win that game. 2 goal line stands, one of which a 4th down stand? Fuggedaboutit.

[wasacatfan]

Quit bitchin and support the cats we are still in controll of our own destiny we are 2-1 in conf and 3-2 overall sure Ash is not the best offensive person out there but he is trying, we have the tools to make some noise and I think we will. We are young and at times we kick ass and other times we get our ass kicked but overall we, I feel are on our way up the ladder. The playoffs are still in sight and we should all look forward to the next game we are going to be OK. After yesterdays game I was as upset as anyone but letting it sink in for a day I think the guys on the team feel worse than any of us will know and being as talented as we are will finish the season strong and surprise some of us me included. Time to get back on board and let yesterdays game lay to rest, the past is the past.