Yuppies in Bozeman?

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:04 pm

UMclassof2002 wrote:
lifeloyalsigmsu wrote:
UMclassof2002 wrote:
lifeloyalsigmsu wrote:
UMclassof2002 wrote:
lifeloyalsigmsu wrote: The 8th school looked at me on paper, sent me a letter saying I was accepted, and gave me a deadline to respond along with a request for a deposit if I decided to go there. You know which school that was? The UM School of Pharmacy.

Affirative Action rules!
Yeah it really helped this mid 20's white male......
Just FMI, what were the other schools besides UM and UW? I think I can formulate a defense here but I need that frame of reference.
WSU, UC-San Francisco, U of Kentucky, U North Carolina, U of Minnesota, U of Michigan

I interviewed at UC SF, UW, UK, and U Michigan
Obviously you were a very qualified candidate. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think UM's Pharm program is kind of like a Boise State football program if you will. They have made the commitment to facilities and trying to build a winner, but they don't have the tradition that those other schools have. When you are in that position, even if you are on the right track, you don't have the luxury of being deliberate in your selections - if you see a student with the stats, you try to snatch them up before they fully show up on the radar of the more established guys. I say props to UM for recognizing and making a quick offer on a qualified candidate.

Who knows. UM, in truth, is a pretty decent pharmacy school. The way I looked at it back then, I was turned off about the lack of formality especially with regards to it being a doctoral program. I chose UW for the greater opportunities that Seattle afforded experience-wise and also the trauma center they have. Washington is also one of the most advanced states in the nation in terms of progressive pharmacy practice. That's what ultimately influenced my decision.

UCSF is the best pharmacy school in the nation. Their tuition was steep for me at the time and living in San Francisco is next to impossible on a student's wage.

UMclassof2002 · Post by **UMclassof2002** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:40 pm

Who knows. UM, in truth, is a pretty decent pharmacy school. The way I looked at it back then, I was turned off about the lack of formality especially with regards to it being a doctoral program.

Right, and I think my argument speaks to that. I have friends who have gone through the program, got their Pharm D, and have gotten good placement immediately. But when you competing for a candidate who could even get a sniff from the TOP tier, it is time to act. I'll bet a lesser candidate would not have received an auto bid. Plus, UM Pharm has only recently taken "the next step" facilities-wise with the Skaggs buidling. UM IS a strong program and I do not think their quick offer to you undermines that.

Their tuition was steep for me at the time and living in San Francisco is next to impossible on a student's wage.

Hey, I've already covered your hookers and blow, I can't foot the bill for everything around here.

briannell · Post by **briannell** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:12 pm

UCSF is the best pharmacy school in the nation. Their tuition was steep for me at the time and living in San Francisco is next to impossible on a student's wage.

GREAT SCHOOL!!! Just looked at it for PT before getting married and having babies. I looked at UM as well. Being from SF, figured I'd look at admissions. Talked with a member of the PT advisory board (1997) at that time they had OVER 2000 applicants for EACH slot in the physical therapy program.

well, obviously I went into breeding rather than PT, but UM had a decent program at that time. UM is a good school, still I dislike the Griz.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:58 pm

briannell wrote:GREAT SCHOOL!!! Just looked at it for PT before getting married and having babies. I looked at UM as well. Being from SF, figured I'd look at admissions. Talked with a member of the PT advisory board (1997) at that time they had OVER 2000 applicants for EACH slot in the physical therapy program.

well, obviously I went into breeding rather than PT, but UM had a decent program at that time. UM is a good school, still I dislike the Griz.

Not discounting your credibility, Rebecca, but there is no possible way in hell that information is true. If that was indeed what they told you, then they were flat out lying. 2,000 applicants for each slot?! Are you kidding me!? Estimate class size at 30 students, that would mean they had over 60,000 applications. I'm calling bullsh*t on that!

I'm in PT school at UM, and I hate the griz more now than I did before coming to school here - and I didn't think that was possible!!!

UMclassof2002 · Post by **UMclassof2002** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:13 pm

BozoneCat wrote:
briannell wrote:GREAT SCHOOL!!! Just looked at it for PT before getting married and having babies. I looked at UM as well. Being from SF, figured I'd look at admissions. Talked with a member of the PT advisory board (1997) at that time they had OVER 2000 applicants for EACH slot in the physical therapy program.

well, obviously I went into breeding rather than PT, but UM had a decent program at that time. UM is a good school, still I dislike the Griz.
Not discounting your credibility, Rebecca, but there is no possible way in hell that information is true. If that was indeed what they told you, then they were flat out lying. 2,000 applicants for each slot?! Are you kidding me!? Estimate class size at 30 students, that would mean they had over 60,000 applications. I'm calling bullsh*t on that!

I'm in PT school at UM, and I hate the griz more now than I did before coming to school here - and I didn't think that was possible!!!

It's a thin line between love and hate

grizbeer · Post by **grizbeer** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:26 pm

UMclassof2002 wrote:
BozoneCat wrote:
briannell wrote:GREAT SCHOOL!!! Just looked at it for PT before getting married and having babies. I looked at UM as well. Being from SF, figured I'd look at admissions. Talked with a member of the PT advisory board (1997) at that time they had OVER 2000 applicants for EACH slot in the physical therapy program.

well, obviously I went into breeding rather than PT, but UM had a decent program at that time. UM is a good school, still I dislike the Griz.
Not discounting your credibility, Rebecca, but there is no possible way in hell that information is true. If that was indeed what they told you, then they were flat out lying. 2,000 applicants for each slot?! Are you kidding me!? Estimate class size at 30 students, that would mean they had over 60,000 applications. I'm calling bullsh*t on that!

I'm in PT school at UM, and I hate the griz more now than I did before coming to school here - and I didn't think that was possible!!!
It's a thin line between love and hate

And by "hate" BZCat means he loves them with all his heart. more than life itself.

Topher · Post by **Topher** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:19 pm

So I guess the 7 years I lived in Bozeman wouldn't merit any clout to my argument. Thanks but I know better.

You keep telling yourself that. I never disagreed with the fact that yuppies are in both places but you need to understand that the population of the Gallatin Valley as well as Big Sky since you so conveniently added it isn't near that what the population of Missoula and the entire Bitteroot Valley is.

Oops, your check and mate was just shot out of the water.......[/quote]

Ok I can see where you are going with this (excuse my tardiness had to tie up some class stuff), and I guess my point was more a per capita comparison. Yes, you have yuppies in Missoula (so why are we always "that hippie town") People tend to look at the population that sticks out, Missoula the hippies I guess, Bozeman the yuppies. While we still have yuppies I can escape them by avoiding the Ironhorse. I have experienced Bozeman somewhat, and have yet to go to a bar that isn't full of fancy ski jackets. However, you have the corner on Bozeman, while I have the edge on Missoula. I will take your word on the yuppies, but at the same time my assessment of the hippie exageration of Missoula has merit. I have plenty of friends that live in Bozeman that would agree with my assessment of the yuppie problem, but it is your town.

P.S. I don't even consider Big Sky Montana. It's official name should be RichAholeville, in the District of Imarichjerk. I am sure glad that Montana could finally provide rich people with a place to invade...I was losing sleep over it.

briannell · Post by **briannell** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:29 pm

Not discounting your credibility, Rebecca, but there is no possible way in hell that information is true. If that was indeed what they told you, then they were flat out lying. 2,000 applicants for each slot?! Are you kidding me!? Estimate class size at 30 students, that would mean they had over 60,000 applications. I'm calling bullsh*t on that!

I'm in PT school at UM, and I hate the griz more now than I did before coming to school here - and I didn't think that was possible!!!

I was told on Average they have between 40 - 60K applicants for the program at UCSF.

I don't know if that included all med school programs, but I was blown away by it. that was a big GULP moment. My mom went to Baylor for PT, it sure sounded good after hearing those stats.

WalkOn79 · Post by **WalkOn79** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:11 pm

Topher wrote: While we still have yuppies I can escape them by avoiding the Ironhorse. I have experienced Bozeman somewhat, and have yet to go to a bar that isn't full of fancy ski jackets.

Never tried the Crystal or the Cannery? That's where I find most of the "Real Montanan's" when I party there. The Rocking R used to be great 20 years ago, but now it's Yuppie Haven. what ever happened to Little John's?

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:15 pm

WalkOn79 wrote:
Topher wrote: While we still have yuppies I can escape them by avoiding the Ironhorse. I have experienced Bozeman somewhat, and have yet to go to a bar that isn't full of fancy ski jackets.
Never tried the Crystal or the Cannery? That's where I find most of the "Real Montanan's" when I party there. The Rocking R used to be great 20 years ago, but now it's Yuppie Haven. what ever happened to Little John's?

Worst day of my life was when the Rockin R became a brewpub, or whatever it is now. I haven't darkened it's door ever since. It's too bad, because it was a good bar....and probably still is - it's the principle

I forget when it changed....was that about 5/6 years ago?

coachouert · Post by **coachouert** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:21 pm

WalkOn79 wrote:
Topher wrote: While we still have yuppies I can escape them by avoiding the Ironhorse. I have experienced Bozeman somewhat, and have yet to go to a bar that isn't full of fancy ski jackets.
Never tried the Crystal or the Cannery? That's where I find most of the "Real Montanan's" when I party there. The Rocking R used to be great 20 years ago, but now it's Yuppie Haven. what ever happened to Little John's?

Little Johns "revamped" and is now Mixer's. Basically a dance clubbing R Bar. I've been there twice while doing the tour de bozeman. Didn't like it much as Little Johns' and I *&^$ing hate it now! It's pretty lame in my opinion, but does have a drunk bus that goes back and forth from the R Bar so if it sucks bad enough, you don't have to stay long.

I'm a fan of the pourhouse, but I think that has become a little more "yuppie" somedays too. I'd suggest the Crystal or the Legion to find someone to puke on ya. I don't think that's considered yuppie yet.

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:33 pm

I do my puking at the Eagles (yuppie?), after a good warm up at Specs.

coachouert · Post by **coachouert** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:35 pm

Ponycat wrote:I do my puking at the Eagles (yuppie?), after a good warm up at Specs.

I'd say the Eagles is pretty damn yuppie...hell they won't take anything but cash. That oozes yuppie!

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:52 pm

UMclassof2002 wrote:
Who knows. UM, in truth, is a pretty decent pharmacy school. The way I looked at it back then, I was turned off about the lack of formality especially with regards to it being a doctoral program.

Right, and I think my argument speaks to that. I have friends who have gone through the program, got their Pharm D, and have gotten good placement immediately. But when you competing for a candidate who could even get a sniff from the TOP tier, it is time to act. I'll bet a lesser candidate would not have received an auto bid. Plus, UM Pharm has only recently taken "the next step" facilities-wise with the Skaggs buidling. UM IS a strong program and I do not think their quick offer to you undermines that.

Their tuition was steep for me at the time and living in San Francisco is next to impossible on a student's wage.
Hey, I've already covered your hookers and blow, I can't foot the bill for everything around here.

S*it, I forgot about that. I might have to hit you up for another $50 to continue that trend.

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:59 pm

Ponycat wrote:I do my puking at the Eagles (yuppie?), after a good warm up at Specs.

I enjoyed the Barmuda Triangle. The Hauf, the Molly, and the Scoop.

I also enjoyed the Long Islands at The Point After but I haven't been back there since it changed.

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:36 pm

lifeloyalsigmsu wrote:
Ponycat wrote:I do my puking at the Eagles (yuppie?), after a good warm up at Specs.
I enjoyed the Barmuda Triangle. The Hauf, the Molly, and the Scoop.

I also enjoyed the Long Islands at The Point After but I haven't been back there since it changed.

Oh, there still there.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:47 pm

Topher wrote:Ok I can see where you are going with this (excuse my tardiness had to tie up some class stuff), and I guess my point was more a per capita comparison. Yes, you have yuppies in Missoula (so why are we always "that hippie town") People tend to look at the population that sticks out, Missoula the hippies I guess, Bozeman the yuppies. While we still have yuppies I can escape them by avoiding the Ironhorse. I have experienced Bozeman somewhat, and have yet to go to a bar that isn't full of fancy ski jackets. However, you have the corner on Bozeman, while I have the edge on Missoula. I will take your word on the yuppies, but at the same time my assessment of the hippie exageration of Missoula has merit. I have plenty of friends that live in Bozeman that would agree with my assessment of the yuppie problem, but it is your town.

P.S. I don't even consider Big Sky Montana. It's official name should be RichAholeville, in the District of Imarichjerk. I am sure glad that Montana could finally provide rich people with a place to invade...I was losing sleep over it.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree that yuppies are a "problem." I don't deny for a second that Bozeman has its share of yuppies (and I probably have adopted a few "yuppy traits" myself), but I like the dynamic they bring to Bozeman. I don't know how you can say there aren't very many hippies in Missoula, though. They are all over the damn place here! I agree that there are probably a large number of pseudo-hippy-trustfund babies, but if they dress like a hippy, smell like a hippy, and march in protests, then they are all hippies in my book! Don't even get me started on the bum infestation in Missoula...

As to Big Sky. Why do so many people, native Montanans in particular (of which I am one), have this vindictive hatred of rich people? What is so wrong with someone working hard, making a lot of money, and buying a vacation home in one of the most beautiful places on God's green earth? Good for them, I say. Somehow, it is easy to forget the huge amount of revenue they bring into the state.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:51 pm

briannell wrote:I was told on Average they have between 40 - 60K applicants for the program at UCSF. I don't know if that included all med school programs, but I was blown away by it. that was a big GULP moment. My mom went to Baylor for PT, it sure sounded good after hearing those stats.

I'm sorry, but they were blowing smoke up your ass. Take two zeros off the end of those numbers, and you'll have a much more accurate figure. There is a huge, huge shortage of PT's nationwide - I can't imagine this would be the case if every school was getting 50,000 applicants every year. How would you possibly even screen all those applications? That would take a full-time staff of 10 people working year-round!

I doubt that I would be getting treated to dinner this evening by recruiters this evening if there were such a huge number of PT's looking for jobs.

briannell · Post by **briannell** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:00 pm

It was 1997 and I think it was the entire medical school at UCSF, but 5000 sounds like a more likely figure.

PT's make good money, but I like broodmare

Been home almost 8 years full time, and happy to get paid in smiles and kisses. NOW I get to go back to grown up "real world" life, and it doesn't look too exciting. If I still remember what I learned at MSU, grad school will be fine (i think), but I don't know about the whole professional dress code thing. PT is great, sweat pants, tees, and a pull over

Athletic training was the same, but I venture to guess your clients will be less rowdy than my Lacrosse teams - good luck!

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:05 pm

briannell wrote:It was 1997 and I think it was the entire medical school at UCSF, but 5000 sounds like a more likely figure.

PT's make good money, but I like broodmare Been home almost 8 years full time, and happy to get paid in smiles and kisses. NOW I get to go back to grown up "real world" life, and it doesn't look too exciting. If I still remember what I learned at MSU, grad school will be fine (i think), but I don't know about the whole professional dress code thing. PT is great, sweat pants, tees, and a pull over Athletic training was the same, but I venture to guess your clients will be less rowdy than my Lacrosse teams - good luck!

Actually, I was thinking more like 500.

I don't know what PT's you have seen, but I certainly wouldn't be caught dead wearing sweat pants and a t-shirt to work. I am a professional, I will be a doctor, and I dress like it. I wouldn't even work at a facility where anyone is allowed to dress like that.