Griz better at basketball and better at volunteering

[Grizlaw]

So, grizlaw makes up his fantasy girl, gives her this impeccable resume, and then uses ONE example to state there are MANY people like this and "most of them work on Wall Street". Nice generalization.

And as for her or any of your fictitious examples being "a better person" than me, shove it, grizlaw. I gave up potentially hundreds of thousands of $$$ in the "Fortune 500" world so that I could raise my kids in a safe, beautiful place and so they'd grow up knowing their family. Sorry you think that it takes a job on Wall Street to achieve success in the world.

Wait a sec, Gato. You misunderstood me, big-time...

1. I wasn't implying that most former Peace Corps volunteers work on Wall Street; what I meant was that most of the ones *I* know do. This is true, largely because I live in New York and work in the financial industry (and thus, so do most of my friends). I wasn't trying to make such a broad generalization; I was only telling you about people I know (and trying to dispel the generalization that you and others were making, which was that the only people who volunteer overseas are people who have no job prospects).

2. If believing that the friend I described (or any of my other friends who volunteered overseas during or after college) is "fictitious" makes you feel better, then so be it. I assure you that they are real people, but I'm not going to spend a lot of time arguing about it.

3. The "better person" comment was something I said because I was a tad frustrated with this conversation yesterday, so I apologize for that. I do, however, think that anyone who can't appreciate the sacrifice that is made by someone who chooses to spend a few years of their lives volunteering in poor countries has a little to gain in the moral fiber department. I think it's commendable that you gave up a potentially lucrative career to raise your family -- why, though, do you find it necessary to put down someone who puts his life on hold because they want to spend a few years helping the poor?

4. I was only telling you about people I know; I never said anything that can reasonably be interpreted as meaning that it takes a job on Wall Street to achieve success in this world. I grew up in Butte, in an average family, and I wouldn't trade that background for anything. Please don't put those words in my mouth; I think you know better.

I really am sorry if I made this personal; I was only trying to prove a point.

--GL

[Hell's Bells]

Well those other students have trust funds, so they don't have to get real jobs.

This debate is going to get ridiculous for a number of reasons, so I'm not going to spend a lot more energy on it. Unlike (I suspect) most of the other people on this thread, I actually know quite a few people who spent time volunteering in third-world countries after college. Most of them are not from wealthy backgrounds, and most of them are working on Wall Street right now.

Let me just give you one example, just to illustrate how ridiculous your criticism of people who volunteer overseas is. A girl I dated briefly a while back (and still go out with occasionally) is an investment banker at Lehman Brothers (I assume that qualifies as a "real job," yes GW?) Her academic credentials would put most of ours to shame, she has degrees from two Ivies, and she can basically do anything she wants (career-wise) for the rest of her life. She also owes more money in student loan debt than most of you likely owe on your homes (read: she's not a trust fund baby). She is also one of the nicest, most caring, and overall best people I've ever met.

After finishing her MBA at Columbia, she surely could have gone straight to Wall Street and started her $150,000-a-year job at Lehman. Instead, she got a deferral on her student loans and decided to spend three years building homes for the poor in Uzbekistan first. Apparently, some of you think that is a reason to ridicule her; personally, I think it just proves that she is a better person than you.

--GL

So, grizlaw makes up his fantasy girl, gives her this impeccable resume, and then uses ONE example to state there are MANY people like this and "most of them work on Wall Street". Nice generalization.

And as for her or any of your fictitious examples being "a better person" than me, shove it, grizlaw. I gave up potentially hundreds of thousands of $$$ in the "Fortune 500" world so that I could raise my kids in a safe, beautiful place and so they'd grow up knowing their family. Sorry you think that it takes a job on Wall Street to achieve success in the world.

Elg

smack bord is

[UMclassof2002]

Military people who trumpet their acheivements as vastly superior to anybody else's are a ssholes, Griz fans or not.

[G.W.Bush]

Elg

smack bord is

You are kidding right? THIS IS THE SMACK BOARD!!!

Grizlaw, people wouldn't jump down your throat if you didn't act so condescending. Some of us are happy living in Montana, and don't need to know people on Wall Street to feel like we are the big men on campus. I also have to agree, I think your dream woman is fictional. I heard that she use to go out with Bill Brasky...

[UMclassof2002]

Bill Brasky

[Grizlaw]

Grizlaw, people wouldn't jump down your throat if you didn't act so condescending. Some of us are happy living in Montana, and don't need to know people on Wall Street to feel like we are the big men on campus. I also have to agree, I think your dream woman is fictional. I heard that she use to go out with Bill Brasky...

G.W., I really don't think I was being condescending. People on this thread took the position that people who volunteer overseas are people who don't have job options. I gave an example of someone I know who doesn't fit that mold, and somehow I'm the a-hole now?

The irony in all of this is that this discussion was started by people who were being condescending (i.e., putting down others who they perceive to have no job prospects). You would insult someone from my school who, in your eyes, has weak credentials and no job options, but as soon as I point out that there are people in this world with stronger credentials and better prospects than most on this thread, I'm being condescending? K...gotcha.

As for whether the friend I described is real or not, like I said before, I really don't care what you believe. The fact that the only response you and Gato have been able to muster is to throw a tantrum and tell me I'm lying indicates that my point has been made. You don't have to believe me; just look at the other schools that appear on that list: Cornell, Penn, Brown. What do you think those students do after they're done in the Peace Corps; do you think they all end up working at Starbucks? Or are they all "fictional" as well? Or wait, I forgot...they're all trust fund babies, right?

--GL

[UMclassof2002]

Grizlaw, people wouldn't jump down your throat if you didn't act so condescending. Some of us are happy living in Montana, and don't need to know people on Wall Street to feel like we are the big men on campus. I also have to agree, I think your dream woman is fictional. I heard that she use to go out with Bill Brasky...

G.W., I really don't think I was being condescending. People on this thread took the position that people who volunteer overseas are people who don't have job options. I gave an example of someone I know who doesn't fit that mold, and somehow I'm the a-hole now?

The irony in all of this is that this discussion was started by people who were being condescending (i.e., putting down others who they perceive to have no job prospects). You would insult someone from my school who, in your eyes, has weak credentials and no job options, but as soon as I point out that there are people in this world with stronger credentials and better prospects than most on this thread, I'm being condescending? K...gotcha.

As for whether the friend I described is real or not, like I said before, I really don't care what you believe. The fact that the only response you and Gato have been able to muster is to throw a tantrum and tell me I'm lying indicates that my point has been made. You don't have to believe me; just look at the other schools that appear on that list: Cornell, Penn, Brown. What do you think those students do after they're done in the Peace Corps; do you think they all end up working at Starbucks? Or are they all "fictional" as well? Or wait, I forgot...they're all trust fund babies, right?

--GL

Uh, GL pretty much just knocked all of you the f**k out. You'll probably want to shut up now.

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

Grizlaw, people wouldn't jump down your throat if you didn't act so condescending. Some of us are happy living in Montana, and don't need to know people on Wall Street to feel like we are the big men on campus. I also have to agree, I think your dream woman is fictional. I heard that she use to go out with Bill Brasky...

G.W., I really don't think I was being condescending. People on this thread took the position that people who volunteer overseas are people who don't have job options. I gave an example of someone I know who doesn't fit that mold, and somehow I'm the a-hole now?

The irony in all of this is that this discussion was started by people who were being condescending (i.e., putting down others who they perceive to have no job prospects). You would insult someone from my school who, in your eyes, has weak credentials and no job options, but as soon as I point out that there are people in this world with stronger credentials and better prospects than most on this thread, I'm being condescending? K...gotcha.

As for whether the friend I described is real or not, like I said before, I really don't care what you believe. The fact that the only response you and Gato have been able to muster is to throw a tantrum and tell me I'm lying indicates that my point has been made. You don't have to believe me; just look at the other schools that appear on that list: Cornell, Penn, Brown. What do you think those students do after they're done in the Peace Corps; do you think they all end up working at Starbucks? Or are they all "fictional" as well? Or wait, I forgot...they're all trust fund babies, right?

--GL

Well as this is the smack board and opinions are free to fly as they always do, maybe you should reread your response where you cited your Ivy League friend who has done this and done that and did the Peace Corps, etc.

If you reread your response, I think it's safe to say you came off pretty condescending and you're taking this talk a tad bit toooooo seriously.

Just my 0.02

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

Grizlaw, people wouldn't jump down your throat if you didn't act so condescending. Some of us are happy living in Montana, and don't need to know people on Wall Street to feel like we are the big men on campus. I also have to agree, I think your dream woman is fictional. I heard that she use to go out with Bill Brasky...

G.W., I really don't think I was being condescending. People on this thread took the position that people who volunteer overseas are people who don't have job options. I gave an example of someone I know who doesn't fit that mold, and somehow I'm the a-hole now?

The irony in all of this is that this discussion was started by people who were being condescending (i.e., putting down others who they perceive to have no job prospects). You would insult someone from my school who, in your eyes, has weak credentials and no job options, but as soon as I point out that there are people in this world with stronger credentials and better prospects than most on this thread, I'm being condescending? K...gotcha.

As for whether the friend I described is real or not, like I said before, I really don't care what you believe. The fact that the only response you and Gato have been able to muster is to throw a tantrum and tell me I'm lying indicates that my point has been made. You don't have to believe me; just look at the other schools that appear on that list: Cornell, Penn, Brown. What do you think those students do after they're done in the Peace Corps; do you think they all end up working at Starbucks? Or are they all "fictional" as well? Or wait, I forgot...they're all trust fund babies, right?

--GL

Uh, GL pretty much just knocked all of you the f**k out. You'll probably want to shut up now.

I didn't laugh.

[rtb]

I gotta jump in and say I am with Grizlaw here. He pointed out an example he knows, wasn't putting anyone down and made a good point. You guys need be a little more open minded to other opinions.

Oh and I laughed 2002, I thought you were funny!

[UMclassof2002]

Grizlaw, people wouldn't jump down your throat if you didn't act so condescending. Some of us are happy living in Montana, and don't need to know people on Wall Street to feel like we are the big men on campus. I also have to agree, I think your dream woman is fictional. I heard that she use to go out with Bill Brasky...

G.W., I really don't think I was being condescending. People on this thread took the position that people who volunteer overseas are people who don't have job options. I gave an example of someone I know who doesn't fit that mold, and somehow I'm the a-hole now?

The irony in all of this is that this discussion was started by people who were being condescending (i.e., putting down others who they perceive to have no job prospects). You would insult someone from my school who, in your eyes, has weak credentials and no job options, but as soon as I point out that there are people in this world with stronger credentials and better prospects than most on this thread, I'm being condescending? K...gotcha.

As for whether the friend I described is real or not, like I said before, I really don't care what you believe. The fact that the only response you and Gato have been able to muster is to throw a tantrum and tell me I'm lying indicates that my point has been made. You don't have to believe me; just look at the other schools that appear on that list: Cornell, Penn, Brown. What do you think those students do after they're done in the Peace Corps; do you think they all end up working at Starbucks? Or are they all "fictional" as well? Or wait, I forgot...they're all trust fund babies, right?

--GL

Uh, GL pretty much just knocked all of you the f**k out. You'll probably want to shut up now.

I didn't laugh.

It wasn't a joke.

[SonomaCat]

I have this strange urge to slam somebody for doing volunteer work, and then copping a victim complex if somebody tells me that my criticism is unwarranted.

[SonomaCat]

I got one!

Mother Theresa ... that hag was just hanging out with lepers because she was too lazy to work in a call center! What a loser.

You gotta problem wit dat?

[rtb]

Your making stuff up! She isn't a real example, she doesn't count!

[SonomaCat]

And she didn't even have any kids, so what's up with this "Mother" stuff? Let's just call her "Tess." Now go learn some Windows support skills, Tess, and strap on that headset. My computer ain't workin', and I'm needin' some support!

[SonomaCat]

Your making stuff up! She isn't a real example, she doesn't count!

You shut up! I'm from Montana, and you ain't all that and a cup o' coffee anyhow.

[Ponycat]

I got one!

Mother Theresa ... that hag was just hanging out with lepers because she was too lazy to work in a call center! What a loser.

You gotta problem wit dat?

There was actually a British journalist that spent an awful lot of time trying to convince people that Mother Theresa wasn't a saint and did what she did for personal and financial gain. Can't remember his name but basically writes inflamatory stuff like this all the time.

As for Grizlaw give him a break he lives in New York and anyone who has ever known anyone who spent any amount of time in New York, knows they all think it's the center of the universe and they are superior beings becasue of it. Much like people who have lived in San Fransisco... oh wait I lived in San Fransisco.

(easy grizlaw and BAC this was smack and smack only.)

[rtb]

There was actually a British journalist that spent an awful lot of time trying to convince people that Mother Theresa wasn't a saint and did what she did for personal and financial gain. Can't remember his name but basically writes inflamatory stuff like this all the time.

As for Grizlaw give him a break he lives in New York and anyone who has ever known anyone who spent any amount of time in New York, knows they all think it's the center of the universe and they are superior beings becasue of it. Much like people who have lived in San Fransisco... oh wait I lived in San Fransisco.

(easy grizlaw and BAC this was smack and smack only.)

Clearly she just did all that stuff for financial gain, did you see the garage full of Bentley's she had? Plus I think she had a few vacation homes! The travisty!!

I am pretty sure those that live in New York, San Francisco, Pony, Willow Creek, Bozeman, Missoula, anywhere think they live in the center of the universe. It is human nature. We are all guilty of it. Even though the people from Montana are perfect even we sometimes have a skewed view of the world.

[SonomaCat]

Was it Christopher Hitchens? That sounds like the kind of thing he would do.

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

I have this strange urge to slam somebody for doing volunteer work, and then copping a victim complex if somebody tells me that my criticism is unwarranted.

Awesome. Mocking fellow posters on the board is really going to do the trick isn't it?