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I was thinking the same thing.nevadacat wrote:"Demoralizes this fact?"The_Bobcats_Suck wrote:With that being said, the 3 game slide this year is going to cost you a playoff game if you lose to the Griz. The loss to Chadron even further demoralizes this fact.
I really hate it when the morale of my facts suffers.
This is (presumably) from a liberal arts school student. But what would I know? I'm just a dopey mathematician.
HAUCK HAS BEEN THERE WHAT 3 YEARS? TOOK OVER AFTER THE 2002 SEASON? AND GLEN HAD RECRUTED GUYS LIKE MIKE MURPH, LEX HILLARD, TYSON JOHNSON, TUFF HARRIS, MATT LEBSOCK, KERRY MULLAN, RYAN WELLS, DUSTIN DLOUHY, JEFF MARSHAL. ALL REDSHIRTS IN GLENS LAST SEASON!!!!! AND DONT FORGET ABOUT THE GUYS THAT HAD COMMITED TO THE U BEFORE GLEN QUIT!! BRADY GREEN, LEX HILLARD WERE TWO OF THOSE GUYS!GrizinWashington wrote:Time will tell. But he's 8-1 with his own recruits, and personally, I like our chances at 10-1 with a top 2 seed, and a very good opportunity to go to Nooga.Bobby Hauck is the most overrated coach of the post Read era. If he moves up, he will prove that, like Dennehy and Glenn before him, you don't have to be a great coach when you take over a top program. When he leaves, he will go by the wayside as Dennehy did and Glenn is about to. The biggest difference is that Dennehy and Glenn are both classy individuals. Bobbie is a poor winner and a worse loser.
If he loses to CP and when he loses to the Cats and in the first round of the playoffs, he won't be asked back.
So my question is this: When exactly does Hauck get credit for what Hauck is doing? This year's success is being done almost exclusively with his guys, his recruits. If he wins a NC will he get respect? What will it take, exaclty?
College football isn't like the pros. You can't just let the program run itself, because the kids creating the success you inherited are gone faster than you can say "Chattanooga". But I suspect that cat fans will never respect BH, and you know, I can certainly live with that. In the meantime, I'll continue toasting Hauck as I'm quaffing my beer in a Tennessee bar in mid December.
Speaking of #38, is anyone else as impressed as I am by what the Griz are doing without the best RB in the country? Brady Green is great, but he certainly isn't Lex.STREETCAT wrote:HAUCK HAS BEEN THERE WHAT 3 YEARS? TOOK OVER AFTER THE 2002 SEASON? AND GLEN HAD RECRUTED GUYS LIKE MIKE MURPH, LEX LLHIARD, TYSON JOHNSON, TUFF HARRIS, MATT LEBSOCK, KERRY MULLAN, RYAN WELLS, DUSTIN DLOUHY, JEFF MARSHAL. ALL REDSHIRTS IN GLENS LAST SEASON!!!!! AND DONT FORGET ABOUT THE GUYS THAT HAD COMMITED TO THE U BEFORE GLEN QUIT!! BRADY GREEN, LEX HILLARD WERE TWO OF THOSE GUYS!GrizinWashington wrote:Time will tell. But he's 8-1 with his own recruits, and personally, I like our chances at 10-1 with a top 2 seed, and a very good opportunity to go to Nooga.Bobby Hauck is the most overrated coach of the post Read era. If he moves up, he will prove that, like Dennehy and Glenn before him, you don't have to be a great coach when you take over a top program. When he leaves, he will go by the wayside as Dennehy did and Glenn is about to. The biggest difference is that Dennehy and Glenn are both classy individuals. Bobbie is a poor winner and a worse loser.
If he loses to CP and when he loses to the Cats and in the first round of the playoffs, he won't be asked back.
So my question is this: When exactly does Hauck get credit for what Hauck is doing? This year's success is being done almost exclusively with his guys, his recruits. If he wins a NC will he get respect? What will it take, exaclty?
College football isn't like the pros. You can't just let the program run itself, because the kids creating the success you inherited are gone faster than you can say "Chattanooga". But I suspect that cat fans will never respect BH, and you know, I can certainly live with that. In the meantime, I'll continue toasting Hauck as I'm quaffing my beer in a Tennessee bar in mid December.
HUH THATS FUNNY CONSIDERING THAT IS THE CORE GROUP OF THE GRIZ THIS YEAR! SO HOW GOOD IS HAUCK? WE WILL FIND OUT NEXT YEAR WHEN HIS OWN GUYS ARE PLAYING. DONT GET ME WRONG, HE HAS RECRUITED SOME GREAT PLAYERS, BUT HE IS STILL RIDING JOE GLENS RECRUITS.
MUCH AGREED BUT HE IS ALSO ONE WHO COMMITED WHILE GLEN WAS HERE. WAY TO CHANGE THE SUBJECTHtowngriz wrote:Speaking of #38, is anyone else as impressed as I am by what the Griz are doing without the best RB in the country? Brady Green is great, but he certainly isn't Lex.STREETCAT wrote:HAUCK HAS BEEN THERE WHAT 3 YEARS? TOOK OVER AFTER THE 2002 SEASON? AND GLEN HAD RECRUTED GUYS LIKE MIKE MURPH, LEX LLHIARD, TYSON JOHNSON, TUFF HARRIS, MATT LEBSOCK, KERRY MULLAN, RYAN WELLS, DUSTIN DLOUHY, JEFF MARSHAL. ALL REDSHIRTS IN GLENS LAST SEASON!!!!! AND DONT FORGET ABOUT THE GUYS THAT HAD COMMITED TO THE U BEFORE GLEN QUIT!! BRADY GREEN, LEX HILLARD WERE TWO OF THOSE GUYS!GrizinWashington wrote:Time will tell. But he's 8-1 with his own recruits, and personally, I like our chances at 10-1 with a top 2 seed, and a very good opportunity to go to Nooga.Bobby Hauck is the most overrated coach of the post Read era. If he moves up, he will prove that, like Dennehy and Glenn before him, you don't have to be a great coach when you take over a top program. When he leaves, he will go by the wayside as Dennehy did and Glenn is about to. The biggest difference is that Dennehy and Glenn are both classy individuals. Bobbie is a poor winner and a worse loser.
If he loses to CP and when he loses to the Cats and in the first round of the playoffs, he won't be asked back.
So my question is this: When exactly does Hauck get credit for what Hauck is doing? This year's success is being done almost exclusively with his guys, his recruits. If he wins a NC will he get respect? What will it take, exaclty?
College football isn't like the pros. You can't just let the program run itself, because the kids creating the success you inherited are gone faster than you can say "Chattanooga". But I suspect that cat fans will never respect BH, and you know, I can certainly live with that. In the meantime, I'll continue toasting Hauck as I'm quaffing my beer in a Tennessee bar in mid December.
HUH THATS FUNNY CONSIDERING THAT IS THE CORE GROUP OF THE GRIZ THIS YEAR! SO HOW GOOD IS HAUCK? WE WILL FIND OUT NEXT YEAR WHEN HIS OWN GUYS ARE PLAYING. DONT GET ME WRONG, HE HAS RECRUITED SOME GREAT PLAYERS, BUT HE IS STILL RIDING JOE GLENS RECRUITS.
TG, my dislike for Bobbie is in the fact that he has never shown respect for the Bobcat program. He didn't accept defeat in '03 like he should have and didn't again last year. He may not be "asked" to leave, but if the situation that I described occurs, don't be surprised if he doesn't return. um and Bobbie can describe this in whatever manner they choose. "We've decided to go a different direction", "I've decided to pursue other opportunities", whichever. But if Hauck loses to CP, MSU and in the first round, he is gone.tampa_griz wrote:Cat fans have a strange hatred for Hauck that's reminiscent of Swilly. What is it about BH that makes you hate so much? I hear things like sore winner and sore loser but what are the reasons behind them? If there are, and maybe they exist, please fill me in.
Hauck and Kramer are both good coaches and recruiters. Kramer arrived in Bozeman to find a demoralized program, didnt' win a single game his first season, and yet managed to turn the Bocats into a feared BSC team. Period. The end. How he builds on that success we'll see.
Bobby Hauck has continued the success of a top college program by taking them to the playoffs every year and making an NC appearance in his 2nd season. The only game he's lost this year is to Iowa and I'd bet we're headed to the playoffs again. It's my belief that he'll continue the Griz coaching tradition of recent years by moving up if he goes anywhere. I seriously doubt he will be asked to leave.
The notion that either of these coaches suck is completely lost on me.
I find it funny that the two top BSC teams are actually bitching about their crappy coaches.
HTG, you guys have done very well without Hilliard and it was a complete shame to see him get hurt. I've said for the last two years that he is the best back in I-AA. I do think that you will REALLY miss him come the playoffs. To me, this is what will keep you from winning number three IMHO.Htowngriz wrote:Speaking of #38, is anyone else as impressed as I am by what the Griz are doing without the best RB in the country? Brady Green is great, but he certainly isn't Lex.STREETCAT wrote:HAUCK HAS BEEN THERE WHAT 3 YEARS? TOOK OVER AFTER THE 2002 SEASON? AND GLEN HAD RECRUTED GUYS LIKE MIKE MURPH, LEX LLHIARD, TYSON JOHNSON, TUFF HARRIS, MATT LEBSOCK, KERRY MULLAN, RYAN WELLS, DUSTIN DLOUHY, JEFF MARSHAL. ALL REDSHIRTS IN GLENS LAST SEASON!!!!! AND DONT FORGET ABOUT THE GUYS THAT HAD COMMITED TO THE U BEFORE GLEN QUIT!! BRADY GREEN, LEX HILLARD WERE TWO OF THOSE GUYS!GrizinWashington wrote:Time will tell. But he's 8-1 with his own recruits, and personally, I like our chances at 10-1 with a top 2 seed, and a very good opportunity to go to Nooga.Bobby Hauck is the most overrated coach of the post Read era. If he moves up, he will prove that, like Dennehy and Glenn before him, you don't have to be a great coach when you take over a top program. When he leaves, he will go by the wayside as Dennehy did and Glenn is about to. The biggest difference is that Dennehy and Glenn are both classy individuals. Bobbie is a poor winner and a worse loser.
If he loses to CP and when he loses to the Cats and in the first round of the playoffs, he won't be asked back.
So my question is this: When exactly does Hauck get credit for what Hauck is doing? This year's success is being done almost exclusively with his guys, his recruits. If he wins a NC will he get respect? What will it take, exaclty?
College football isn't like the pros. You can't just let the program run itself, because the kids creating the success you inherited are gone faster than you can say "Chattanooga". But I suspect that cat fans will never respect BH, and you know, I can certainly live with that. In the meantime, I'll continue toasting Hauck as I'm quaffing my beer in a Tennessee bar in mid December.
HUH THATS FUNNY CONSIDERING THAT IS THE CORE GROUP OF THE GRIZ THIS YEAR! SO HOW GOOD IS HAUCK? WE WILL FIND OUT NEXT YEAR WHEN HIS OWN GUYS ARE PLAYING. DONT GET ME WRONG, HE HAS RECRUITED SOME GREAT PLAYERS, BUT HE IS STILL RIDING JOE GLENS RECRUITS.
I've heard the charge before that Hauck didn't accept defeat to the Cats nor respects their program. I'm not saying it didn't happen but what exactly was said/transpired that justifies this charge? Like I said, may be true and correct but I haven't seen it.BobcatOninetails wrote:TG, my dislike for Bobbie is in the fact that he has never shown respect for the Bobcat program. He didn't accept defeat in '03 like he should have and didn't again last year. He may not be "asked" to leave, but if the situation that I described occurs, don't be surprised if he doesn't return. um and Bobbie can describe this in whatever manner they choose. "We've decided to go a different direction", "I've decided to pursue other opportunities", whichever. But if Hauck loses to CP, MSU and in the first round, he is gone.
You know full well as I do, that making it to the NC his second year has been his saving grace. Yes, he is in his fourth year and doing well. But this isn't the offense of Read, Dennehy or Glenn and its going to catch up with the U. If I am wrong, then I will fully admit it. But I just don't think that this team has the talent and more importantly, the game planning from its' coaching staff to go all the way. Sorry, just my opinion.
I will say that since I have joined this forum, I have a little more respect for the griz faithful. The griz fans who post here are unlike the griz fans I have to deal with in Missoula. The fans here are intelligent, respectful and don't quite have the blinders on as tight as most in Zootown. A compliment to you, Billingsgriz and a host of others. Makes it almost hard to root against you, which isn't like me.
I'm not trying to piss on Glenn's recruiting ability but at the time the players you mentioned signed up when Montana was the be-all-to-end-all of I-AA football. That's not smack but a plain and simple truth. It's a testament to Glenn's success but at that point in time I doubt he had to try to hard to convince them to come to Montana.STREETCAT wrote:HAUCK HAS BEEN THERE WHAT 3 YEARS? TOOK OVER AFTER THE 2002 SEASON? AND GLEN HAD RECRUTED GUYS LIKE MIKE MURPH, LEX HILLARD, TYSON JOHNSON, TUFF HARRIS, MATT LEBSOCK, KERRY MULLAN, RYAN WELLS, DUSTIN DLOUHY, JEFF MARSHAL. ALL REDSHIRTS IN GLENS LAST SEASON!!!!! AND DONT FORGET ABOUT THE GUYS THAT HAD COMMITED TO THE U BEFORE GLEN QUIT!! BRADY GREEN, LEX HILLARD WERE TWO OF THOSE GUYS!GrizinWashington wrote:Time will tell. But he's 8-1 with his own recruits, and personally, I like our chances at 10-1 with a top 2 seed, and a very good opportunity to go to Nooga.Bobby Hauck is the most overrated coach of the post Read era. If he moves up, he will prove that, like Dennehy and Glenn before him, you don't have to be a great coach when you take over a top program. When he leaves, he will go by the wayside as Dennehy did and Glenn is about to. The biggest difference is that Dennehy and Glenn are both classy individuals. Bobbie is a poor winner and a worse loser.
If he loses to CP and when he loses to the Cats and in the first round of the playoffs, he won't be asked back.
So my question is this: When exactly does Hauck get credit for what Hauck is doing? This year's success is being done almost exclusively with his guys, his recruits. If he wins a NC will he get respect? What will it take, exaclty?
College football isn't like the pros. You can't just let the program run itself, because the kids creating the success you inherited are gone faster than you can say "Chattanooga". But I suspect that cat fans will never respect BH, and you know, I can certainly live with that. In the meantime, I'll continue toasting Hauck as I'm quaffing my beer in a Tennessee bar in mid December.
HUH THATS FUNNY CONSIDERING THAT IS THE CORE GROUP OF THE GRIZ THIS YEAR! SO HOW GOOD IS HAUCK? WE WILL FIND OUT NEXT YEAR WHEN HIS OWN GUYS ARE PLAYING. DONT GET ME WRONG, HE HAS RECRUITED SOME GREAT PLAYERS, BUT HE IS STILL RIDING JOE GLENS RECRUITS.
Hope you're wrong, but you may just be rightBobcatOninetails wrote:HTG, you guys have done very well without Hilliard and it was a complete shame to see him get hurt. I've said for the last two years that he is the best back in I-AA. I do think that you will REALLY miss him come the playoffs. To me, this is what will keep you from winning number three IMHO.Htowngriz wrote:Speaking of #38, is anyone else as impressed as I am by what the Griz are doing without the best RB in the country? Brady Green is great, but he certainly isn't Lex.STREETCAT wrote:HAUCK HAS BEEN THERE WHAT 3 YEARS? TOOK OVER AFTER THE 2002 SEASON? AND GLEN HAD RECRUTED GUYS LIKE MIKE MURPH, LEX LLHIARD, TYSON JOHNSON, TUFF HARRIS, MATT LEBSOCK, KERRY MULLAN, RYAN WELLS, DUSTIN DLOUHY, JEFF MARSHAL. ALL REDSHIRTS IN GLENS LAST SEASON!!!!! AND DONT FORGET ABOUT THE GUYS THAT HAD COMMITED TO THE U BEFORE GLEN QUIT!! BRADY GREEN, LEX HILLARD WERE TWO OF THOSE GUYS!GrizinWashington wrote:Time will tell. But he's 8-1 with his own recruits, and personally, I like our chances at 10-1 with a top 2 seed, and a very good opportunity to go to Nooga.Bobby Hauck is the most overrated coach of the post Read era. If he moves up, he will prove that, like Dennehy and Glenn before him, you don't have to be a great coach when you take over a top program. When he leaves, he will go by the wayside as Dennehy did and Glenn is about to. The biggest difference is that Dennehy and Glenn are both classy individuals. Bobbie is a poor winner and a worse loser.
If he loses to CP and when he loses to the Cats and in the first round of the playoffs, he won't be asked back.
So my question is this: When exactly does Hauck get credit for what Hauck is doing? This year's success is being done almost exclusively with his guys, his recruits. If he wins a NC will he get respect? What will it take, exaclty?
College football isn't like the pros. You can't just let the program run itself, because the kids creating the success you inherited are gone faster than you can say "Chattanooga". But I suspect that cat fans will never respect BH, and you know, I can certainly live with that. In the meantime, I'll continue toasting Hauck as I'm quaffing my beer in a Tennessee bar in mid December.
HUH THATS FUNNY CONSIDERING THAT IS THE CORE GROUP OF THE GRIZ THIS YEAR! SO HOW GOOD IS HAUCK? WE WILL FIND OUT NEXT YEAR WHEN HIS OWN GUYS ARE PLAYING. DONT GET ME WRONG, HE HAS RECRUITED SOME GREAT PLAYERS, BUT HE IS STILL RIDING JOE GLENS RECRUITS.
honestly el take a look at their win-loss recordEl_Gato wrote:GrizinWa:
Doesn't it FEEL different to you, though? Honest question; not smack. In the Read/Dennehy days, you guys were sitting your QB's at halftime at a point where the Big Sky was FAR tougher than it is now. Now it seems almost every week, the almighty Griz are just 1 play away from a loss and/or are holding on for a 3 point win against the likes of ISU, WSU, SDSU, etc....
Oh, and don't forget about losing 3 of the last 4 to us!
You can tout Bobby's accomplishment's all you want but I would think you're man enough to admit the program is NOT at the level it once was...?
El_Gato wrote:No question, Hells, but READ built what Bobby is reaping the benefits from. READ started from scratch; he took over a less-than-average program and turned them into a powerhouse that routinely BEAT DOWN bad teams, not just squeaked by with 3 point wins thanks to interception returns or blocked FG's, etc. etc. I only brought up Dennehy because his teams seemed to throttle weaker opponents as well, not because I think he was a great (or even good) coach. Dennehy's tenure at Utah State proves the theory many of us have about Bobby; he is the beneficiary of a powerful PROGRAM and, to his credit, he has kept that at/near the top. That does not, however, prove that he is a great coach. If he stays and continues to win at his current level and makes a few more title games, then the argument that he is a great coach will have more legs.
Don't worry; if/when Bobby moves up, he'll no doubt take over a bottom-tier DI team and THEN we'll see how good a recruiter/coach he is. I'm betting it will look a lot like Dennehy's career at USU.
Riding on the coat tails!!! I would imagine Hauck knows this and will get while the getting is good!It DOES feel different, but that's only because it's a completely different style of football. Montana used to win with pure offense. We'd simply outscore everyone. If they got 40, UM would get 50. And I'll admit, that makes for exciting football.El_Gato wrote:GrizinWa:
Doesn't it FEEL different to you, though? Honest question; not smack. In the Read/Dennehy days, you guys were sitting your QB's at halftime at a point where the Big Sky was FAR tougher than it is now. Now it seems almost every week, the almighty Griz are just 1 play away from a loss and/or are holding on for a 3 point win against the likes of ISU, WSU, SDSU, etc....
Oh, and don't forget about losing 3 of the last 4 to us!
You can tout Bobby's accomplishment's all you want but I would think you're man enough to admit the program is NOT at the level it once was...?
The conference was definitely tougher during the Read days, but no the Dennehy days - MSU was not good, and Sac, PSU, and CS Northridge were basically the UNC's of Dennehy's time.El_Gato wrote:GrizinWa:
Doesn't it FEEL different to you, though? Honest question; not smack. In the Read/Dennehy days, you guys were sitting your QB's at halftime at a point where the Big Sky was FAR tougher than it is now. Now it seems almost every week, the almighty Griz are just 1 play away from a loss and/or are holding on for a 3 point win against the likes of ISU, WSU, SDSU, etc....
Oh, and don't forget about losing 3 of the last 4 to us!
You can tout Bobby's accomplishment's all you want but I would think you're man enough to admit the program is NOT at the level it once was...?
Made sense to me?nevadacat wrote:"Demoralizes this fact?"The_Bobcats_Suck wrote:With that being said, the 3 game slide this year is going to cost you a playoff game if you lose to the Griz. The loss to Chadron even further demoralizes this fact.
I really hate it when the morale of my facts suffers.
This is (presumably) from a liberal arts school student. But what would I know? I'm just a dopey mathematician.
