Bobby Hauck Story

[kmax]

I'm just gettin' warmed up.

Truly you all have dizzying intellects.

[tampa_griz]

Oh yes, I'm just so upset. You haven't posted one shred of factual information since you started posting on this thread. It takes about two seconds to respond to lame comments.

Then why cry about my harassment of you and break down so hard you call me an A-hole? Hmm crazy? Ya gonna be OK big guy? Need a hug?

[Grizlaw]

We're arguing about whether or not Hauck has knowingly recruited any players with prior criminal issues. But my saying this is sure to hatch at least 20 points arguing what it is we're arguing about.

Yeah...threads involving you always seem to end up on that topic, don't they?

I've been trying all day to come with the "right" thing to say to add to the mess that these two threads have become, but at this point, I honestly don't think there is a "right" thing to say. At its root, this thread is (was) a debate about whether or not a person would have to be a complete moron to believe a story (which appears not to have been reported anywhere in the world other than by an anonymous poster on ramnation.com), about a college football coach who is alleged (again, on an anonymous message board, and apparently, nowhere else) to have hidden behind a couch in the home of a recruit who was being visited by another coach. I'm sorry, but that has to be one of the most moronic debates I have ever read on any internet forum -- and that is saying something.

You know what would be even more moronic than that? If there was a thread debating the question of whether it was "right" or "wrong" for a coach to praise a player who, after having had some problems at a prior school, transferred to a team and was a solid contributor and citizen since transferring to such school. Mind you, I'm not talking about a thread debating whether such player should have been recruited by such school; I am talking about a thread debating whether it was wrong of the coach to say positive things about such player, after having recruited him and after he has been a positive contributor to such team. If there were such a thread, that would also be a pretty moronic thing to argue about, wouldn't it?

SERIOUSLY, people...we have about nine more months of off-season ahead of us. Is this really what we have to look forward to?

[kmax]

SERIOUSLY, people...we have about nine more months of off-season ahead of us. Is this really what we have to look forward to?

Ahhhh. A voice of reason amongst the noise. No offense to Grizlaw here but when a lawyer is telling you all that you are arguing too much without really saying much you might want to think about it.

[GrizinWashington]

We're arguing about whether or not Hauck has knowingly recruited any players with prior criminal issues. But my saying this is sure to hatch at least 20 points arguing what it is we're arguing about.

Yeah...threads involving you always seem to end up on that topic, don't they?

I've been trying all day to come with the "right" thing to say to add to the mess that these two threads have become, but at this point, I honestly don't think there is a "right" thing to say. At its root, this thread is (was) a debate about whether or not a person would have to be a complete moron to believe a story (which appears not to have been reported anywhere in the world other than by an anonymous poster on ramnation.com), about a college football coach who is alleged (again, on an anonymous message board, and apparently, nowhere else) to have hidden behind a couch in the home of a recruit who was being visited by another coach. I'm sorry, but that has to be one of the most moronic debates I have ever read on any internet forum -- and that is saying something.

You know what would be even more moronic than that? If there was a thread debating the question of whether it was "right" or "wrong" for a coach to praise a player who, after having had some problems at a prior school, transferred to a team and was a solid contributor and citizen since transferring to such school. Mind you, I'm not talking about a thread debating whether such player should have been recruited by such school; I am talking about a thread debating whether it was wrong of the coach to say positive things about such player, after having recruited him and after he has been a positive contributor to such team. If there were such a thread, that would also be a pretty moronic thing to argue about, wouldn't it?

SERIOUSLY, people...we have about nine more months of off-season ahead of us. Is this really what we have to look forward to?

This is what I've been trying (obviously incoherretly) to say for 11 pages. Clearly I need to hire GL as my publicist.

[catatac]

Wow. Just peeked in here... I had no idea this post would last so long. As for the original story... If I had to bet on it being factual or not... I would say not, but it's funny to think about him doing that. As for Bobby's character, maturity, etc... I think he has made great strides over the past few years but he's no saint as some have tried to make him out to be. He has brought several bad dudes into the program and it has cost him. He's also been inconsistent with how he handles his players. Lastly, if you Google "Bobby Hauck Recruiting Violations"... there have been a few instances where he's crossed the line.

Griz fans bash away if you wish, but I repeat... I think he has improved... and I am not saying he's a terrible person. I just think he's pushed the envelope quite a bit in order to win.

[Grizlaw]

Wow. Just peeked in here... I had no idea this post would last so long. As for the original story... If I had to bet on it being factual or not... I would say not, but it's funny to think about him doing that.

Now that I do have to agree with -- picturing a grown man (Hauck or anyone else) actually hiding behind a couch while a rival coach is recruiting a player is a funny sight.

Of course, it would also be funny if he tried to impress a recruit by riding a unicycle through the recruit's living room, while balancing a fish bowl on top of his head and juggling a water melon, a bowling pin, and a chainsaw, while wearing my great grandmother's purple shawl and while holding a parrot on his shoulder that was screeching "F- the Cats! F- the Cats!" But if a story about that appeared on an anonymous message board, I wouldn't believe it either.

[crazycat]

Oh yes, I'm just so upset. You haven't posted one shred of factual information since you started posting on this thread. It takes about two seconds to respond to lame comments.

Then why cry about my harassment of you and break down so hard you call me an A-hole? Hmm crazy? Ya gonna be OK big guy? Need a hug?

I'm so broken up. I guess you really got me there on that one. Again, just like the hypocrite one and the one about what a liar I am.

Actually I can see where I really hurt you with the A-Hole comment. I'm sorry, that was wrong of me.

But seriously, I just thought if I mimicked you, you'd see how you're acting and then perhaps you would stop.

[crazycat]

We're arguing about whether or not Hauck has knowingly recruited any players with prior criminal issues. But my saying this is sure to hatch at least 20 points arguing what it is we're arguing about.

Yeah...threads involving you always seem to end up on that topic, don't they?

I've been trying all day to come with the "right" thing to say to add to the mess that these two threads have become, but at this point, I honestly don't think there is a "right" thing to say. At its root, this thread is (was) a debate about whether or not a person would have to be a complete moron to believe a story (which appears not to have been reported anywhere in the world other than by an anonymous poster on ramnation.com), about a college football coach who is alleged (again, on an anonymous message board, and apparently, nowhere else) to have hidden behind a couch in the home of a recruit who was being visited by another coach. I'm sorry, but that has to be one of the most moronic debates I have ever read on any internet forum -- and that is saying something.

You know what would be even more moronic than that? If there was a thread debating the question of whether it was "right" or "wrong" for a coach to praise a player who, after having had some problems at a prior school, transferred to a team and was a solid contributor and citizen since transferring to such school. Mind you, I'm not talking about a thread debating whether such player should have been recruited by such school; I am talking about a thread debating whether it was wrong of the coach to say positive things about such player, after having recruited him and after he has been a positive contributor to such team. If there were such a thread, that would also be a pretty moronic thing to argue about, wouldn't it?

SERIOUSLY, people...we have about nine more months of off-season ahead of us. Is this really what we have to look forward to?

And what would be even more moronic than arguing that would be if someone came by this thread, read a few posts, and then actually decided to get involved in any way, shape or form.

[Eastcoastgriz]

Lastly, if you Google "Bobby Hauck Recruiting Violations"... there have been a few instances where he's crossed the line.

I just googled "Bobby Hauck Recruiting Violations" and here is the first link:

In the world of college football recruiting, University of Washington assistant coach Bobby Hauck is a closer. His ability to win over young athletes -- as well as their parents -- has earned him a national reputation.

"He is recognized as being an exceptional recruiter," said Allen Wallace, publisher of Superprep magazine.

Said Bobby Burton, director of Rivals.com, "There's no question he's one of the most highly regarded recruiters. He's tireless. That's the mark of a great recruiter."

"Hauck's secret isn't mysterious. It's a mixture of hard work, charm, enthusiasm and honesty."

By TED MILLER
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

I looked at the first 30ish links and not one word of any recruiting violation by coach Hauck. Maybe someone else could post these supposed violations by Hauck.

[tampa_griz]

And what would be even more moronic than arguing that would be if someone came by this thread, read a few posts, and then actually decided to get involved in any way, shape or form.

And now you're making fun of yourself. That's beyond poetic. I'll let you call yourself a moron for the rest of this. Damn that's good.

[crazycat]

And what would be even more moronic than arguing that would be if someone came by this thread, read a few posts, and then actually decided to get involved in any way, shape or form.

And now you're making fun of yourself. That's beyond poetic. I'll let you call yourself a moron for the rest of this. Damn that's good.

No, I'm not, but you just made fun of yourself, by trying to say that I was making fun of myself. That's poetically poetic. That is so damn funny. Ohh, OK, I think I'm catching my breath now.

[crazycat]

Lastly, if you Google "Bobby Hauck Recruiting Violations"... there have been a few instances where he's crossed the line.

I just googled "Bobby Hauck Recruiting Violations" and here is the first link:

In the world of college football recruiting, University of Washington assistant coach Bobby Hauck is a loser. His ability to scare off young athletes -- as well as their parents -- has earned him a national reputation.

"He is not recognized as being an exceptional recruiter," said Allen Wallace, publisher of Superprep magazine.

Said Bobby Burton, director of Rivals.com, "There's no question he's one of the least highly regarded recruiters. He's lazy. That's not the mark of a great recruiter."

"Hauck's failure isn't mysterious. It's a mixture of hard core porn, smarm, alcoholism and dishonesty."

By TED MILLER
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

I looked at the first 30ish links and not one word of any recruiting violation by coach Hauck. Maybe someone else could post these supposed violations by Hauck.

Fixed that fer ya. No wonder he's hiding behind couches.

[GrizinWashington]

Lastly, if you Google "Bobby Hauck Recruiting Violations"... there have been a few instances where he's crossed the line.

I just googled "Bobby Hauck Recruiting Violations" and here is the first link:

In the world of college football recruiting, University of Washington assistant coach Bobby Hauck is a closer. His ability to win over young athletes -- as well as their parents -- has earned him a national reputation.

"He is recognized as being an exceptional recruiter," said Allen Wallace, publisher of Superprep magazine.

Said Bobby Burton, director of Rivals.com, "There's no question he's one of the most highly regarded recruiters. He's tireless. That's the mark of a great recruiter."

"Hauck's secret isn't mysterious. It's a mixture of hard work, charm, enthusiasm and honesty."

By TED MILLER
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

I looked at the first 30ish links and not one word of any recruiting violation by coach Hauck. Maybe someone else could post these supposed violations by Hauck.

I went 5 pages in and I couldn't find anything. The most-damaging thing I could find was an interview with Tony Moss who asked him about the problems at Colorado.

[GrizinWashington]

cc, can't prove his point. So as always, he makes sh^t up. And you wonder why people question your credibility on every post.

[Grizlaw]

And what would be even more moronic than arguing that would be if someone came by this thread, read a few posts, and then actually decided to get involved in any way, shape or form.

Uh...I hate to be Mr. Obvious, but you appear to have spent your entire weekend and most of today either reading or responding to this thread. With that in mind, would you maybe like to re-think the logic that went into this response?

[crazycat]

And what would be even more moronic than arguing that would be if someone came by this thread, read a few posts, and then actually decided to get involved in any way, shape or form.

Uh...I hate to be Mr. Obvious, but you appear to have spent your entire weekend and most of today either reading or responding to this thread. With that in mind, would you maybe like to re-think the logic that went into this response?

It wasn't the logic, I just wasn't detailed enough. Allow me to clarify.

And what would be even more moronic than arguing that would be if someone came by this thread after it was 11 pages long, read a few posts, and then actually decided to get involved in any way, shape or form.

Hey, I was just trying to inject a little humor into this. But like every time before that's not been picked up on and then Tampa thinks I'm crying when I do that, so it starts up all over again. Now he'll come in and say that I really was crying and that I'm crying again OR being a hypocrite OR lying. (I'm just saying this last part as an attempt at reverse psychology)

Now that I've straightened that out...I, too, hate to be Mr. Obvious and tell you that this is the 'smack talk' forum, so everyone can just say they're talking smack and people who take them serious feel foolish.

Like I said this thread has taken on a life of its own. However it started seems to have been neglected. It, along with the thread on Hauck's List of Two are sort layered on top of each other.

I must say that I do appreciate your post of clarity. Hopefully everyone can calm down, make concessions, agree to disagree and then move on with no hard feelings. Or we can just continue enjoying(?) this thread for what it is, or isn't.

[Eastcoastgriz]

Hey, I was just trying to inject a little humor into this. But like every time before it's not been funny.

Thats the problem.

Humor = Funny

[Eastcoastgriz]

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatboard ... php?t=2764

Keep it going 12 pages in September of 05

[Eastcoastgriz]

And isn't it funny that it was about the cats irrational hatred towards our coach.

Quote from WBTFG

Is it just me, or does this article make you like Hauck, and Welsch even less? If I were a Bozeman Chronicle reporter I would go in asking Hauck tough questions, and clear up any rumors why the Bobcats don't like him.

Instead, Welsch decides to go in and suck Haucks a$$ for a while, and give us an article with very little substance, which makes me like like Hauck even less than I already do. He comes accross as very arrogant, and immature.

On the other side of things, it was a great idea for a story and I applaud Welsch for trying new things in addition to the standard football reports and player profiles.

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Commentary: Hauck not so bad outside of rivalry

By JEFF WELSCH, Chronicle Sports Editor

MISSOULA - It is only mid-August, and already Bobby Hauck has produced his first upset of the season, if such a feat is ever possible with the the University of Montana football juggernaut.

UM's third-year coach has set aside valuable time, on the day after fall practice has begun and with so much work to do, for an informal interview in his spacious office with a reporter from, of all places ...

Bozeman.

And get this.

He's friendly. He's smiling. He's laughing.

He's as engaging as your favorite uncle.

When you've been weaned on a year's worth of spin in the Gallatin Valley, your first inclination is to ask this man, "Who are you, and what have you done with Bobby Hauck?"

You know.

The lemon-sucking lout who wouldn't give the other Big Sky Conference program in the state credit for picking its school colors, much less beating the Grizzlies.

The personality-challenged oaf who'd have his linemen push a broken-down team bus over the hill to the familiar Yellowstone River valley before ever leaving valuable dollars in, you know, that town.

The pompous egomaniac who won't return phone calls to Bozeman sports-talk shows.

The arrogant brat who would sooner sell his twin children into slavery than utter "Montana State" or "Bobcats" or "MSU."

Hauck tosses his head back and laughs at perceptions he's made little attempt to reverse.

"We have a little fun," he says, an impish twinkle in his eyes. "If you can't stir the pot and have a little fun ... when you speak of rivalries, we have a great one. It's special. So you might as well enjoy that."

This is not the Bobby Hauck they talk about in the Gallatin Valley.

This is the Bobby Hauck they know in the Bitterroot Valley.

East of the divide, those who put the rivalry on par with war, poverty and pestilence in matters of importance view Hauck as the face of the Evil Empire, leader of the infidels, the Great Satan himself.

And yes, even rational observers sometimes puzzle over what seems to be an excessive loathing of the land-grant school; of course, it doesn't help the image that he often looks on TV as if he's having his wisdom teeth extracted.

How can a three-sport star from Big Timber, for crying out loud, be so disdainful of his ranch-country roots, even if his father, Bob, a teacher and coach, was no more connected to ag and engineering as, say, the town librarian?

Hauck, dressed casually in a polo shirt and shorts, seizes another opportunity to massage the rivalry.

"First, I like to think everywhere in the state of Montana is Grizzly country," he winks, then adds: "And, I'm a third-generation alum."

His grandfather is a Griz. His father is a Griz. His brother, Tim, is a Griz and coaches UM's safeties. His uncle, Tom, is a Griz and coaches defensive tackles.

Truth be known, Hauck has pleasured in inciting the rivalry since third grade. He trash-talked by sliding notes under the doors of Big Timber teachers who wore the wrong colors, promising that "the Griz are going to get it done."

"Sixteen cousins went to school here," he says, "and most of their parents."

Yes, but surely, with all those ties to rural Montana, there must be somebody in the clan, somewhere, who proudly wears the colors of ...

"I think there's one cousin," Hauck says somberly. "We don't talk about him much."

He laughs again.

No, this isn't the Bobby Hauck we talk about, or perhaps want to talk about, in the Gallatin Valley.

On the east side, Hauck will never be forgiven for either neglecting or refusing to accord the home team credit for a 27-20 defeat in his first Griz-Other Guys showdown two years ago.

Never mind that he had stepped into enormous coaching shoes, the expectation of Big Sky championships, national titles and a full 23,183-seat Washington-Grizzly Stadium squarely on his shoulders.

That The Other School had ended a 16-game losing streak in Joe Glenn's final season only slightly eased the strain in a football-obsessed town where "you can never get away from it."

Now, after taking the Grizzlies to the Division I-AA title game a year ago, he is more at ease.

"It's much less stressful," he says.

Won't change his approach to the rivalry, though.

After all, he rightfully notes, it's only the coaching staffs at both schools whose livelihoods are on at stake.

For the fans, it is, or should be, a game.

Fun. Remember?

So, as Hauck is asked playfully about his unwillingness to utter The Other School's names, he skillfully, laughingly, engagingly tap-dances.

Then conversation turns again to Big Timber roots.

"Obviously, growing up down in that neck of the woods," Hauck says, "I had a lot of friends who were ..."

Yes? ... Yes?

"... MSU alums."

Stop the presses.

It's another mid-August upset, and why not?

When your program is above such possibilities on the field, you take them where you can, even with a reporter from the dark side.