Lets Face It

[cats2506]

It has been pointed out by MSU fans that claim to never see them yet UM fans claim to see them all the time. Biased sources? You bet. The UM produced seven award winning commercials, two about football. It is absolutely ridiculous if you believe they paid all that money and only show the two football ones. Take off your blue glasses. Again, this is a ridiculous argument and your fans have no more basis to your sides than our do to our side.

What you are conveniently forgetting to mention is that they griz fans that say they see them every game, also say that they are watching the game via the satellite. But when they are shown via regular public channels we have local programming commercials and the 1 or 2 um commercials that are shown on the public broadcasts are only the football ones.

And I glad that you agree that there is as much basis to our side as there is to your side.

[ScottShay24]

Go Cats

[GRZZ]

It has been pointed out by MSU fans that claim to never see them yet UM fans claim to see them all the time. Biased sources? You bet. The UM produced seven award winning commercials, two about football. It is absolutely ridiculous if you believe they paid all that money and only show the two football ones. Take off your blue glasses. Again, this is a ridiculous argument and your fans have no more basis to your sides than our do to our side.

What you are conveniently forgetting to mention is that they griz fans that say they see them every game, also say that they are watching the game via the satellite. But when they are shown via regular public channels we have local programming commercials and the 1 or 2 um commercials that are shown on the public broadcasts are only the football ones.

And I glad that you agree that there is as much basis to our side as there is to your side.

I'm glad you also admit that neither side is going to give an objectionable argument here. I am also glad that your fans in this state have watched every second of our each of our game telecasts this year. I am impressed that they care about us that much.

[cats2506]

It has been pointed out by MSU fans that claim to never see them yet UM fans claim to see them all the time. Biased sources? You bet. The UM produced seven award winning commercials, two about football. It is absolutely ridiculous if you believe they paid all that money and only show the two football ones. Take off your blue glasses. Again, this is a ridiculous argument and your fans have no more basis to your sides than our do to our side.

What you are conveniently forgetting to mention is that they griz fans that say they see them every game, also say that they are watching the game via the satellite. But when they are shown via regular public channels we have local programming commercials and the 1 or 2 um commercials that are shown on the public broadcasts are only the football ones.

And I glad that you agree that there is as much basis to our side as there is to your side.

I'm glad you also admit that neither side is going to give an objectionable argument here. I am also glad that your fans in this state have watched every second of our each of our game telecasts this year. I am impressed that they care about us that much.

I did tape the griz games, all season long it seems like you were playing next weeks opponent. Besides it usually worked pretty well to put me to sleep!

[MSU Toddler]

Outside magazine picks MSU-Bozeman as fifth best college town

August 12, 2003 -- Carol Schmidt

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Bozeman - Outside magazine has picked Montana State University as the fifth best university in the magazine's annual "Top 40 College Towns" poll. The list, which ranks colleges and universities that combine the best intellectual and outdoor potential, was released today (Aug. 12) when its September 2003 edition hit the newsstands.

Bozeman and MSU are the top pick in the Northwest in the ranking of "the coolest college towns, places where the outdoors and intellectual esprit mingle blissfully."

"It's not hard to see why Bozeman, the hub of southwestern Montana's Gallatin River Valley, appeals to the adventurous," says MSU's copy. "The trout-filled Yellowstone, Gallatin and Madison rivers offer world-class fly-fishing, rafting and kayaking just outside town, and Bozeman is surrounded by four Rocky Mountain ranges, which draw hikers, bikers and rock climbers." The MSU page was accompanied by photographs of a kayaker on the Gallatin River (by Beth Wald) and a high-flying snowboarder at Bridger Bowl Ski area (by Gordon Wiltsie of Bozeman, who is listed as a correspondent on the magazine's masthead).

MSU ranked behind the University of California at Santa Cruz, the University of Colorado at Boulder, Middlebury College and Warren Wilson College in Asheville, N.C. Filling out the top 10 college towns were MSU, Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, British Columbia, Dartmouth College, University of Virginia, Northern Arizona University and the University of Iowa. The University of Montana, which was ranked in the top 10 last year, is listed as number 15.

Writer Becca Syme of Plentywood, who recently graduated from MSU with a degree in English, was MSU's student reporter for the magazine. Syme said MSU's English Department recommended her for the Outside job. Syme was an award-winning English student but was also pan Orientation Leader and Residence Hall Adviser so she knew the university well. However, there were some things about the area that Syme had to research.

"They asked some things I had no idea about, such as the median house price," said Syme, who left this week to pursue a master's of fine arts degree in creative writing at Minnesota State University in Moorhead.

Syme said she had no idea how high Bozeman/MSU would rank in the poll, "but I figured it was pretty high up. I did my best to convince them this was the best place to go to school."

Allen Yarnell, MSU's Vice-President for Student Affairs, indicated that university officials were pleased with the selection of MSU and Bozeman to the top five universities in Outside magazine's prestigious list.

"We believe that we offer a quality education in a world-class setting and we're delighted that Outside magazine agrees," Yarnell said.

Contact: Julie Kipfer (406) 994-4571

[MSU Toddler]

MSU rises to top tier of research universities

March 17, 2006 -- By Evelyn Boswell, MSU News Service

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BOZEMAN -- Montana State University is now in the top tier of research universities in the United States.

A new classification system by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching recognizes MSU as one of 94 research universities with "very high research activity." Other such institutions are Yale University, Harvard University, Johns Hopkins University, the University of Washington and Oregon State University.

MSU's expenditures from sponsored research programs reached almost $100 million in Fiscal Year 2005 and are expected to keep going.

"Given all indications and trend comparisons, MSU will definitely exceed the $100 million level this year and will likely be well over $105 million," said Tom McCoy, Vice-President of Research, Creativity and Technology Transfer.

Research institutions were those that awarded at least 20 doctorates in 2003-04. MSU awarded 42 during that time. Carnegie determined tier placement by looking at research and development expenditures, science and engineering research staff, and doctorates awarded. The foundation then created two indexes of research activity and sorted the institutions accordingly.

"This is a wonderful recognition of the superior efforts of our faculty, staff and students," MSU President Geoff Gamble said of MSU's classification.

Institutions in the second tier have "high research activity." Among the 102 institutions in that category are the University of Montana, North Dakota State University, the University of North Dakota, South Dakota State University, the University of Idaho, University of Wyoming, Utah State University and the University of Oregon.

The 82 institutions in the third tier are called "doctoral/research universities." They include the University of South Dakota, Idaho State University and Portland State University.

"To me, this is a testimony and confirmation of the superb quality of the faculty that Montana State University has been able to hire over the last decade and decade-and-a-half," McCoy said. "Specifically focusing on areas and building strengths in those areas has really enabled the institution to rise to this top tier of institutions."

Dave Dooley, MSU's Provost and Vice President for Academic Affairs, said, "This ranking signifies to students that the opportunities for research, scholarship and creative work at MSU are comparable to those found at the very best and most prestigious universities in America. We have an extraordinary faculty and excellent facilities available to students."

The Chronicle of Higher Education said the classifications may interest students and parents who want to compare one institution with another.

Carnegie had a previous system that categorized research institutions as "research intensive" or "research extensive." MSU was one of only three research intensive institutions that moved to the top tier of the new classification system. The others were Dartmouth College and the University of Colorado at Denver and Health Sciences Center. Other institutions in the top tier were previously listed as research extensive.

Carnegie's new classification system categorized 4,321 colleges and universities into research institutions, associate's colleges, master's colleges and universities, baccalaureate colleges, special-focus institutions and miscellaneous.

[MSU Toddler]

i guess it is easier for someone like grizinwa to be ignorant of facts....and continue to spew crap as a pasttime (still don't get that).

[GrizinWashington]

It's time to just face up to it. msu is not a superior school to Montana.

Yes it is.

Believe away!! And we're one day closer to SANTA!!!!!!!!

[GrizinWashington]

i guess it is easier for someone like grizinwa to be ignorant of facts....and continue to spew crap as a pasttime (still don't get that).

One, I didn't spew crap. I posted legitimate and repuatable sources who claim UM is a better school that msu.

Two, I don't believe it for an instant. Not once did I post UM was superior.

Three, I also don't believe mus is better than Montana.

Four, I believe both schools have extremely strong programs which can compete with any univirsity at the national level.

Five, I believe a student will get a quality education at either.

Six, I don't believe either school compares academically with Northwestern.

Seven, If you disagree with anything I've posted above, you are either (a) a complete moron, (b) blinded by that blue and yellow you wear, or (c) an absolute and complete moron.


Now, hopefully this will end thread number 1,876 on "my school is better than your school"

[crazycat]

MSU Toddler: Those are both great articles that highlight what a great school MSU is. I'm sure UM has some similar things being said about it.

The way I try to look at it is like this: If I were fly into Bozeman and Missoula and visit both towns and both schools, regardless of what I was looking to study and my personal interests/hobbies, the school/city/area I would find most appealing would be MSU/Bozeman/SW Montana.

It comes off as a cleaner, more progressive, more active place than UM/Missoula/Western Montana.

Once you start working in all the other variables that can shift in one direction or the other. I guess after visiting both as I described, I would start hoping that MSU/Bozeman has the curriculum I want to study and the things that satisfy my personal interests/hobbies.

By its nature MSU probably is a superior school simply because it houses the engineering college, which needs to be fed into by physics, computer science, math/calculus, etc. I would assume due to this, that on average MSU's graduates are paid better and therefore tend to live a higher quality of life.

[MSU Toddler]

One, I didn't spew crap. I posted legitimate and repuatable sources who claim UM is a better school that msu.

Two, I don't believe it for an instant. Not once did I post UM was superior.

Three, I also don't believe mus is better than Montana.

Four, I believe both schools have extremely strong programs which can compete with any univirsity at the national level.

Five, I believe a student will get a quality education at either.

Six, I don't believe either school compares academically with Northwestern.

Seven, If you disagree with anything I've posted above, you are either (a) a complete moron, (b) blinded by that blue and yellow you wear, or (c) an absolute and complete moron.


Now, hopefully this will end thread number 1,876 on "my school is better than your school"

a. a good percentage of your posts don't provide anything constructive - therefore, they are crap. don't pretend to not know and no, they aren't really funny / smack --- just stupid.

b. no argument from me on 2-6.

c. you perpetuated some of the post numbered 1,875 or whatever. now we are done.

[Eastcoastgriz]

Outside magazine picks MSU-Bozeman as fifth best college town

August 12, 2003 -- Carol Schmidt

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Bozeman - Outside magazine has picked Montana State University as the fifth best university in the magazine's annual "Top 40 College Towns" poll. The list, which ranks colleges and universities that combine the best intellectual and outdoor potential, was released today (Aug. 12) when its September 2003 edition hit the newsstands.

Bozeman and MSU are the top pick in the Northwest in the ranking of "the coolest college towns, places where the outdoors and intellectual esprit mingle blissfully."

"It's not hard to see why Bozeman, the hub of southwestern Montana's Gallatin River Valley, appeals to the adventurous," says MSU's copy. "The trout-filled Yellowstone, Gallatin and Madison rivers offer world-class fly-fishing, rafting and kayaking just outside town, and Bozeman is surrounded by four Rocky Mountain ranges, which draw hikers, bikers and rock climbers." The MSU page was accompanied by photographs of a kayaker on the Gallatin River (by Beth Wald) and a high-flying snowboarder at Bridger Bowl Ski area (by Gordon Wiltsie of Bozeman, who is listed as a correspondent on the magazine's masthead).

MSU ranked behind the University of California at Santa Cruz, the University of Colorado at Boulder, Middlebury College and Warren Wilson College in Asheville, N.C. Filling out the top 10 college towns were MSU, Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, British Columbia, Dartmouth College, University of Virginia, Northern Arizona University and the University of Iowa. The University of Montana, which was ranked in the top 10 last year, is listed as number 15.

Writer Becca Syme of Plentywood, who recently graduated from MSU with a degree in English, was MSU's student reporter for the magazine. Syme said MSU's English Department recommended her for the Outside job. Syme was an award-winning English student but was also pan Orientation Leader and Residence Hall Adviser so she knew the university well. However, there were some things about the area that Syme had to research.

"They asked some things I had no idea about, such as the median house price," said Syme, who left this week to pursue a master's of fine arts degree in creative writing at Minnesota State University in Moorhead.

Syme said she had no idea how high Bozeman/MSU would rank in the poll, "but I figured it was pretty high up. I did my best to convince them this was the best place to go to school."

Allen Yarnell, MSU's Vice-President for Student Affairs, indicated that university officials were pleased with the selection of MSU and Bozeman to the top five universities in Outside magazine's prestigious list.

"We believe that we offer a quality education in a world-class setting and we're delighted that Outside magazine agrees," Yarnell said.

Contact: Julie Kipfer (406) 994-4571

Come on. Outside Magazine.

Let’s see a show of hands. (Be honest)

Until this article, how many of you had:

1. Heard of this magazine
2. Looked at this magazine
3. Purchased this magazine
4. Subscribed to this Magazine

[GrizinWashington]

I'm sure UM has some similar things being said about it.

Uhhh, yeah. I posted two articles above. Did you not read them?

By its nature MSU probably is a superior school simply because it houses the engineering college, which needs to be fed into by physics, computer science, math/calculus, etc. I would assume due to this, that on average MSU's graduates are paid better and therefore tend to live a higher quality of life.

GIMME A F'g BREAK. You're obviously #7 in my post above. There is absoluLUTEly no evidence to support your last contention. And why does the sheer presence of an engineering program make one school stronger than another???? I will NEVER understand that argument.

[MSU Toddler]

MSU Toddler: Those are both great articles that highlight what a great school MSU is. I'm sure UM has some similar things being said about it.

The way I try to look at it is like this: If I were fly into Bozeman and Missoula and visit both towns and both schools, regardless of what I was looking to study and my personal interests/hobbies, the school/city/area I would find most appealing would be MSU/Bozeman/SW Montana.

It comes off as a cleaner, more progressive, more active place than UM/Missoula/Western Montana.

Once you start working in all the other variables that can shift in one direction or the other. I guess after visiting both as I described, I would start hoping that MSU/Bozeman has the curriculum I want to study and the things that satisfy my personal interests/hobbies.

By its nature MSU probably is a superior school simply because it houses the engineering college, which needs to be fed into by physics, computer science, math/calculus, etc. I would assume due to this, that on average MSU's graduates are paid better and therefore tend to live a higher quality of life.

i would personally agree, but would acknowledge that this is a personal perspective. i also realize there are people who love Missoula / um for its qualities - - - nothing i'm going to bash. i know there are programs that are superior at um and graduates from that school making my salary several times over.

i've attended both schools - graduated MSU. my wife has 3 degree (2 from um, 1 from MSU), got a son at MSU and MANY family members who have gone to both schools. i think both have superior qualities. just get erked and folks who think their school is better academically because of a flippin' football game. i suppose that ignorance is bliss....

[MSU Toddler]

eastcost: you are truly an ass - by your own admission. you are frankly irrelevant.

[crazycat]

Outside magazine picks MSU-Bozeman as fifth best college town

August 12, 2003 -- Carol Schmidt

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Bozeman - Outside magazine has picked Montana State University as the fifth best university in the magazine's annual "Top 40 College Towns" poll. The list, which ranks colleges and universities that combine the best intellectual and outdoor potential, was released today (Aug. 12) when its September 2003 edition hit the newsstands.

Bozeman and MSU are the top pick in the Northwest in the ranking of "the coolest college towns, places where the outdoors and intellectual esprit mingle blissfully."

"It's not hard to see why Bozeman, the hub of southwestern Montana's Gallatin River Valley, appeals to the adventurous," says MSU's copy. "The trout-filled Yellowstone, Gallatin and Madison rivers offer world-class fly-fishing, rafting and kayaking just outside town, and Bozeman is surrounded by four Rocky Mountain ranges, which draw hikers, bikers and rock climbers." The MSU page was accompanied by photographs of a kayaker on the Gallatin River (by Beth Wald) and a high-flying snowboarder at Bridger Bowl Ski area (by Gordon Wiltsie of Bozeman, who is listed as a correspondent on the magazine's masthead).

MSU ranked behind the University of California at Santa Cruz, the University of Colorado at Boulder, Middlebury College and Warren Wilson College in Asheville, N.C. Filling out the top 10 college towns were MSU, Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, British Columbia, Dartmouth College, University of Virginia, Northern Arizona University and the University of Iowa. The University of Montana, which was ranked in the top 10 last year, is listed as number 15.

Writer Becca Syme of Plentywood, who recently graduated from MSU with a degree in English, was MSU's student reporter for the magazine. Syme said MSU's English Department recommended her for the Outside job. Syme was an award-winning English student but was also pan Orientation Leader and Residence Hall Adviser so she knew the university well. However, there were some things about the area that Syme had to research.

"They asked some things I had no idea about, such as the median house price," said Syme, who left this week to pursue a master's of fine arts degree in creative writing at Minnesota State University in Moorhead.

Syme said she had no idea how high Bozeman/MSU would rank in the poll, "but I figured it was pretty high up. I did my best to convince them this was the best place to go to school."

Allen Yarnell, MSU's Vice-President for Student Affairs, indicated that university officials were pleased with the selection of MSU and Bozeman to the top five universities in Outside magazine's prestigious list.

"We believe that we offer a quality education in a world-class setting and we're delighted that Outside magazine agrees," Yarnell said.

Contact: Julie Kipfer (406) 994-4571

Come on. Outside Magazine.

Let’s see a show of hands. (Be honest)

Until this article, how many of you had:

1. Heard of this magazine
2. Looked at this magazine
3. Purchased this magazine
4. Subscribed to this Magazine

I subscribe to "Outside" it's the best outdoors magazine. Many of my friends do also.

[crazycat]

I'm sure UM has some similar things being said about it.

Uhhh, yeah. I posted two articles above. Did you not read them?

By its nature MSU probably is a superior school simply because it houses the engineering college, which needs to be fed into by physics, computer science, math/calculus, etc. I would assume due to this, that on average MSU's graduates are paid better and therefore tend to live a higher quality of life.

GIMME A F'g BREAK. You're obviously #7 in my post above. There is absoluLUTEly no evidence to support your last contention. And why does the sheer presence of an engineering program make one school stronger than another???? I will NEVER understand that argument.

You're running around calling people morons? I guess because engineers make more money. In general, people who make more money tend to lead healthier, longer, more satisfying lives.

[crazycat]

CNN compared the different majors to see what the average starting salaries were, and which ones had the biggest gains. Not suprisingly, all starting salaries were not equal, as I wrote about here. The lowest paying degrees? Traditional liberal arts degrees such as Political Science, which averaged $32,665, Sociology at $30,944, and Communications at $31,876.

The degrees that paid more were, predictably, those that taught a specific skill and thus made the students more marketable. Engineering degrees averaged around $52,000-53,000. Accounting degrees paid $45,656. Even more practical degrees in lower paying fields, such as Hotel Management, still beat out the liberal arts degrees.

The moral: you’re probably better off getting your degree in something useful. If you want to study English, do it as your minor. You’ll be financially better off.

[crazycat]

The Ten Highest Paying Undergrad Degrees
Chemical engineering, $55,900
Electrical engineering, $52,889
Mechanical Engineering, $50,672
Computer Science, $50,046
Accounting, $45,723
Economics/Finance, $45,191
Civil engineering, $44,999
Business administration, $38,850
Marketing, $36,260
Liberal arts majors, $30,828

[GrizinWashington]

cc, bear in mind those are STARTING salaries. I have a masters in Econ with my emphasis in Labor Market Theory. I will assure you that those salaries level out over the first 5 years. In addition, those stats are cyclical. Ten years ago, CS would have been on top of that list with everything else a distant second.

And like all stats, they don't tell the entire story. Take for example, Pharmacy (which, coincidentally, UM has one of the most-respected programs in the country). Is it an undergrad program? Not according to your list (because it would be a top-3 item if it were) but it's not a graduate degree either, so where does it fall?

And finally, the many undergrad LA programs you specifically mentioned (Poly Sci, etc) have statistically low beginning salaries because many of the people who major in them go onto grad programs (law, using the poly sci example). Also, the "liberal arts" may as well be an "other" category, as it would obviously include the sciences, the arts, English, Languages, etc. That's a pretty broad category when compared to "electrical engineering".

And one additional point. I spent years working in HR for Fortune 35 companies (e.g. some of the largest 35 employers in the nation). Some of those companies had policies that gave preference to candidates with liberal arts degrees over a degree in a specific course of study (say accounting or engineering). Why? Because those people tended to be "better thinkers", and were more well-rounded.

Now, can we PLEASE stop this assinine argument. Neither school is better than the other. PERIOD.