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[Griznationalist]

Actually, now I'm going back on my thought process and realizing that it would be a good idea to send these Gitmo prisoners to our prisons because as soon as they get there, the prison gangs are going to kill them anyways.

I would rather Grizdelusionist adopt them all into his home. Since there all good guys right?

The reading comprehension quotient of some people here appears legally drunk. I never said "there (sic) all good guys." I asked if anyone can tell me a single crime that any of the detainees are guilty of committing. One guy responded with one example. I checked his source (Wiki), which said out of 775 detainees, 3 have been convicted of crimes, the vast majority were never charged with anything, and many have been released. TIrwin24 and STREETCAT must have some inside information that George Bush could never find in regard to evidence against these detainees.

They are guilty of being enemy combatants on the field of battle in the global war on terrorism against the United States od America

I hope they rot in GITMO

I don't know if it's funny, sad, or scary that some of you guys can just form conclusions without a shred of information. Let's hope we maintain good leadership in this country, because there are too many lemmings who line up in place spouting stuff about all the war criminals at Gitmo. Umm ... hello? ... why have they convicted only 3 out of 775 detainees in six years? Only a dozen or so have even been charged with anything? Please ... you guys who like to sound like you're in the know ... you guys who talk tough about these so-called war criminals ... what are these hundreds of people guilty of? Specifics, please, and tell us how you know? The U.S. military, former President Bush, President Obama, and the Supreme Court have basically said we don't know. But you do? How?

[cats2506]

Actually, now I'm going back on my thought process and realizing that it would be a good idea to send these Gitmo prisoners to our prisons because as soon as they get there, the prison gangs are going to kill them anyways.

I would rather Grizdelusionist adopt them all into his home. Since there all good guys right?

The reading comprehension quotient of some people here appears legally drunk. I never said "there (sic) all good guys." I asked if anyone can tell me a single crime that any of the detainees are guilty of committing. One guy responded with one example. I checked his source (Wiki), which said out of 775 detainees, 3 have been convicted of crimes, the vast majority were never charged with anything, and many have been released. TIrwin24 and STREETCAT must have some inside information that George Bush could never find in regard to evidence against these detainees.

They are guilty of being enemy combatants on the field of battle in the global war on terrorism against the United States od America

I hope they rot in GITMO

I don't know if it's funny, sad, or scary that some of you guys can just form conclusions without a shred of information. Let's hope we maintain good leadership in this country, because there are too many lemmings who line up in place spouting stuff about all the war criminals at Gitmo. Umm ... hello? ... why have they convicted only 3 out of 775 detainees in six years? Only a dozen or so have even been charged with anything? Please ... you guys who like to sound like you're in the know ... you guys who talk tough about these so-called war criminals ... what are these hundreds of people guilty of? Specifics, please, and tell us how you know? The U.S. military, former President Bush, President Obama, and the Supreme Court have basically said we don't know. But you do? How?

The same way I know your an idiot

They are not american citizens and therefore are not entitled to american criminal rights, thats why they have not been charged with anything.

Do you believe that there is a "Global War on Terror"?

[Griznationalist]

You can't say the detainees at Gitmo are guilty of anything, or are terrorists, or are war criminals, if you have know frickin' idea what you are talking about. Well, I guess you can, but you can't look very smart in doing so. You get your news from Rush Limbaugh? Seven hundred and seventy-five detainees. Three convictions. The rest will be freed. What a bungling miscalculation by the former Bush administration.

[cats2506]

You can't say the detainees at Gitmo are guilty of anything, or are terrorists, or are war criminals, if you have know frickin' idea what you are talking about. Well, I guess you can, but you can't look very smart in doing so. You get your news from Rush Limbaugh? Seven hundred and seventy-five detainees. Three convictions. The rest will be freed. What a bungling miscalculation by the former Bush administration.

Answer the question numbnuts

[Griznationalist]

You can't say the detainees at Gitmo are guilty of anything, or are terrorists, or are war criminals, if you have know frickin' idea what you are talking about. Well, I guess you can, but you can't look very smart in doing so. You get your news from Rush Limbaugh? Seven hundred and seventy-five detainees. Three convictions. The rest will be freed. What a bungling miscalculation by the former Bush administration.

Answer the question numbnuts

Listen to the tough guy, calling names ... LOL. OK, I will answer. But who says you get to ask all the questions? I will answer your question, then you answer mine. You asked if I "believe there is a Global War on Terror?" Answer: You are using capital letters and a phrase that has absolutely no grounding in reality or substantiation. You are making up formal names ("Global War on Terror") that are figments of some conservative radio talk show host's imagination (and he's laughing his way to the bank while ignorant lemmings slurp it up hook, line, and sinker). Now, it's my turn to ask a question. Other than the three who have been convicted in six years, what crimes or war atrocities have the other 772 detainees committed? Teach us. Please.

[Billings_Griz]

You can't say the detainees at Gitmo are guilty of anything, or are terrorists, or are war criminals, if you have know frickin' idea what you are talking about. Well, I guess you can, but you can't look very smart in doing so. You get your news from Rush Limbaugh? Seven hundred and seventy-five detainees. Three convictions. The rest will be freed. What a bungling miscalculation by the former Bush administration.

Answer the question numbnuts

Listen to the tough guy, calling names ... LOL. OK, I will answer. But who says you get to ask all the questions? I will answer your question, then you answer mine. You asked if I "believe there is a Global War on Terror?" Answer: You are using capital letters and a phrase that has absolutely no grounding in reality or substantiation. You are making up formal names ("Global War on Terror") that are figments of some conservative radio talk show host's imagination (and he's laughing his way to the bank while ignorant lemmings slurp it up hook, line, and sinker). Now, it's my turn to ask a question. Other than the three who have been convicted in six years, what crimes or war atrocities have the other 772 detainees committed? Teach us. Please.

A Democrat answer used to piss me off, now it's to the point it's laughable.

[cats2506]

You can't say the detainees at Gitmo are guilty of anything, or are terrorists, or are war criminals, if you have know frickin' idea what you are talking about. Well, I guess you can, but you can't look very smart in doing so. You get your news from Rush Limbaugh? Seven hundred and seventy-five detainees. Three convictions. The rest will be freed. What a bungling miscalculation by the former Bush administration.

Answer the question numbnuts

Listen to the tough guy, calling names ... LOL. OK, I will answer. But who says you get to ask all the questions? I will answer your question, then you answer mine. You asked if I "believe there is a Global War on Terror?" Answer: You are using capital letters and a phrase that has absolutely no grounding in reality or substantiation. You are making up formal names ("Global War on Terror") that are figments of some conservative radio talk show host's imagination (and he's laughing his way to the bank while ignorant lemmings slurp it up hook, line, and sinker). Now, it's my turn to ask a question. Other than the three who have been convicted in six years, what crimes or war atrocities have the other 772 detainees committed? Teach us. Please.

1. I already answered your question.
2. I will take your answer as a NO
3. your an idiot and and not worth any more of my time.

[Griznationalist]

You can't say the detainees at Gitmo are guilty of anything, or are terrorists, or are war criminals, if you have know frickin' idea what you are talking about. Well, I guess you can, but you can't look very smart in doing so. You get your news from Rush Limbaugh? Seven hundred and seventy-five detainees. Three convictions. The rest will be freed. What a bungling miscalculation by the former Bush administration.

Answer the question numbnuts

Listen to the tough guy, calling names ... LOL. OK, I will answer. But who says you get to ask all the questions? I will answer your question, then you answer mine. You asked if I "believe there is a Global War on Terror?" Answer: You are using capital letters and a phrase that has absolutely no grounding in reality or substantiation. You are making up formal names ("Global War on Terror") that are figments of some conservative radio talk show host's imagination (and he's laughing his way to the bank while ignorant lemmings slurp it up hook, line, and sinker). Now, it's my turn to ask a question. Other than the three who have been convicted in six years, what crimes or war atrocities have the other 772 detainees committed? Teach us. Please.

A Democrat answer used to piss me off, now it's to the point it's laughable.

Keep evading the question. Who's the Democrat, by the way?

[TIrwin24]

You can't say the detainees at Gitmo are guilty of anything, or are terrorists, or are war criminals, if you have know frickin' idea what you are talking about. Well, I guess you can, but you can't look very smart in doing so. You get your news from Rush Limbaugh? Seven hundred and seventy-five detainees. Three convictions. The rest will be freed. What a bungling miscalculation by the former Bush administration.

Answer the question numbnuts

Listen to the tough guy, calling names ... LOL. OK, I will answer. But who says you get to ask all the questions? I will answer your question, then you answer mine. You asked if I "believe there is a Global War on Terror?" Answer: You are using capital letters and a phrase that has absolutely no grounding in reality or substantiation. You are making up formal names ("Global War on Terror") that are figments of some conservative radio talk show host's imagination (and he's laughing his way to the bank while ignorant lemmings slurp it up hook, line, and sinker). Now, it's my turn to ask a question. Other than the three who have been convicted in six years, what crimes or war atrocities have the other 772 detainees committed? Teach us. Please.

Oh it could have something to do with helping assist the Islamic Jihad against the US and Europe. I could also have something to do with being associated with the Taliban. Or maybe, just maybe they know sh*t but they just aren't talking.

We are talking about Islamic Wahhabi Warriors who want nothing more than to see the end of freedom, justice and basically the United States in general. These people that are being held in GITMO have probably been religious warriors ever since they turned 12 and have no concept of right and wrong. They would rather die than ever give away secrets to their means and methods. They only believe in their own little twisted interpretation of the Koran, which for us is very dangerous. They are going to stop at nothing to try and destroy the US and the faster you get that through your thick skull the faster you're going to realize that GITMO is a necessary place.

GN, go sit through a couple of middle eastern history classes and read some books, because maybe then you wouldn't be so goddamn stupid.

[Griznationalist]

This is getting too sad. Just answer the question, please.

[Griznationalist]

Straight from the Department of the Defense ...

http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/detainees/index.html

1. Fifty-five percent (55%) of the detainees are not determined to have committed any hostile acts against the United States or its coalition allies.

2. Only 8% of the detainees were characterized as al Qaeda fighters. Of the remaining detainees, 40% have no definitive connection with al Qaeda at all and 18% are have no definitive affiliation with either al Qaeda or the Taliban.

3. The Government has detained numerous persons based on mere affiliations with a large number of groups that in fact, are not on the Department of Homeland Security terrorist watchlist. Moreover, the nexus between such a detainee and such organizations varies considerably. Eight percent are detained because they are deemed "fighters for;" 30% considered "members of;" a large majority - 60% -- are detained merely because they are "associated with" a group or groups the Government asserts are terrorist organizations. For 2% of the prisoners their nexus to any terrorist group is unidentified.

4. Only 5% of the detainees were captured by United States forces. 86% of the detainees were arrested by either Pakistan or the Northern Alliance and turned over to United States custody. This 86% of the detainees captured by Pakistan or the Northern Alliance were handed over to the United States at a time in which the United States offered large bounties for capture of suspected enemies.

5. Finally, the population of persons deemed not to be enemy combatants - mostly Uighers - are in fact accused of more serious allegations than a great many persons still deemed to be enemy combatants.

[Cats Back]

Griznationalist, seriously just one crime? The list is long and the list is grotesque but the media does not seem interested in reporting about the charges.

[CapitalCityCat]

griznationalist... you may as well just give up. There are people who simply ignore the facts because it doesn't fit in with their theory. You'd think they'd stop before they resorted to name calling though.

[STREETCAT]

3. The Government has detained numerous persons based on mere affiliations with a large number of groups that in fact, are not on the Department of Homeland Security terrorist watch list. Moreover, the nexus between such a detainee and such organizations varies considerably. Eight percent are detained because they are deemed "fighters for;" 30% considered "members of;" a large majority - 60% -- are detained merely because they are "associated with" a group or groups the Government asserts are terrorist organizations. For 2% of the prisoners their nexus to any terrorist group is unidentified.

This alone is all I need, convictied or not...

If your father, brother, friend kills one of my country men, you are of interest, and rather then take the risk of you killing one of my country men, cousins, friends, brothers, ECT.... You should be detained. If you give money to your son who in turn goes out and kills one of my country men you should be detained and held. Does it make it right? You nor I am the judge of that. These men are here because there is the potential that they could inflict harm upon others. If only 20% of these people detained are Taliban, or AQ, then the United States has saved lives!!!


NOTE: The following is used just for context, NOT a personal ATTACK! I pray that none of my country men would ever be killed.

Sure, maybe a good portion of these men will return home to a peaceful life, but



I pray that when these men are released it is your brother, uncle, or friend that is killed by one of these "innocent men with no military ties", then my brother, my father, my friends and my relatives! In the Military there is no room to be liberal! It is kill or be killed, You are CONSERVITIVE and CONSERVITIVE at all times!

[TIrwin24]

Very good post.

[GrizinWashington]

3. The Government has detained numerous persons based on mere affiliations with a large number of groups that in fact, are not on the Department of Homeland Security terrorist watch list. Moreover, the nexus between such a detainee and such organizations varies considerably. Eight percent are detained because they are deemed "fighters for;" 30% considered "members of;" a large majority - 60% -- are detained merely because they are "associated with" a group or groups the Government asserts are terrorist organizations. For 2% of the prisoners their nexus to any terrorist group is unidentified.

This alone is all I need, convictied or not...

If your father, brother, friend kills one of my country men, you are of interest, and rather then take the risk of you killing one of my country men, cousins, friends, brothers, ECT.... You should be detained. If you give money to your son who in turn goes out and kills one of my country men you should be detained and held. Does it make it right? You nor I am the judge of that. These men are here because there is the potential that they could inflict harm upon others. If only 20% of these people detained are Taliban, or AQ, then the United States has saved lives!!!


NOTE: The following is used just for context, NOT a personal ATTACK! I pray that none of my country men would ever be killed.

Sure, maybe a good portion of these men will return home to a peaceful life, but



I pray that when these men are released it is your brother, uncle, or friend that is killed by one of these "innocent men with no military ties", then my brother, my father, my friends and my relatives! In the Military there is no room to be liberal! It is kill or be killed, You are CONSERVITIVE and CONSERVITIVE at all times!

The Constitution and Bill of Rights be damned, by God!!!
















And even with your disclaimer, the final part of your post is disgusting at best, disturbing at worst.

But to flip your point on it's ear, what if it was your father, brother, cousin, mother who is illegally and unnecessarily detained, beaten and humiliated by our government? Simply because we are at war does not give ANYone the right to stray from the protections granted under our laws. I'd rather not have Hitler come to power in this country, thank you.

[cats2506]

3. The Government has detained numerous persons based on mere affiliations with a large number of groups that in fact, are not on the Department of Homeland Security terrorist watch list. Moreover, the nexus between such a detainee and such organizations varies considerably. Eight percent are detained because they are deemed "fighters for;" 30% considered "members of;" a large majority - 60% -- are detained merely because they are "associated with" a group or groups the Government asserts are terrorist organizations. For 2% of the prisoners their nexus to any terrorist group is unidentified.

This alone is all I need, convictied or not...

If your father, brother, friend kills one of my country men, you are of interest, and rather then take the risk of you killing one of my country men, cousins, friends, brothers, ECT.... You should be detained. If you give money to your son who in turn goes out and kills one of my country men you should be detained and held. Does it make it right? You nor I am the judge of that. These men are here because there is the potential that they could inflict harm upon others. If only 20% of these people detained are Taliban, or AQ, then the United States has saved lives!!!


NOTE: The following is used just for context, NOT a personal ATTACK! I pray that none of my country men would ever be killed.

Sure, maybe a good portion of these men will return home to a peaceful life, but



I pray that when these men are released it is your brother, uncle, or friend that is killed by one of these "innocent men with no military ties", then my brother, my father, my friends and my relatives! In the Military there is no room to be liberal! It is kill or be killed, You are CONSERVITIVE and CONSERVITIVE at all times!

The Constitution and Bill of Rights be damned, by God!!!
















And even with your disclaimer, the final part of your post is disgusting at best, disturbing at worst.

But to flip your point on it's ear, what if it was your father, brother, cousin, mother who is illegally and unnecessarily detained, beaten and humiliated by our government? Simply because we are at war does not give ANYone the right to stray from the protections granted under our laws. I'd rather not have Hitler come to power in this country, thank you.

To bad for them that they are not American citizens, if they were they would have the protection of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

[catatonic1]

This guy wasn't found to be quilty of anything, so he was released!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/world ... yemen.html
"The emergence of a former Guantánamo Bay detainee as the deputy leader of Al Qaeda’s Yemeni branch has underscored the potential complications in carrying out the executive order President Obama signed Thursday that the detention center be shut down within a year. "

[GrizinWashington]

3. The Government has detained numerous persons based on mere affiliations with a large number of groups that in fact, are not on the Department of Homeland Security terrorist watch list. Moreover, the nexus between such a detainee and such organizations varies considerably. Eight percent are detained because they are deemed "fighters for;" 30% considered "members of;" a large majority - 60% -- are detained merely because they are "associated with" a group or groups the Government asserts are terrorist organizations. For 2% of the prisoners their nexus to any terrorist group is unidentified.

This alone is all I need, convictied or not...

If your father, brother, friend kills one of my country men, you are of interest, and rather then take the risk of you killing one of my country men, cousins, friends, brothers, ECT.... You should be detained. If you give money to your son who in turn goes out and kills one of my country men you should be detained and held. Does it make it right? You nor I am the judge of that. These men are here because there is the potential that they could inflict harm upon others. If only 20% of these people detained are Taliban, or AQ, then the United States has saved lives!!!


NOTE: The following is used just for context, NOT a personal ATTACK! I pray that none of my country men would ever be killed.

Sure, maybe a good portion of these men will return home to a peaceful life, but



I pray that when these men are released it is your brother, uncle, or friend that is killed by one of these "innocent men with no military ties", then my brother, my father, my friends and my relatives! In the Military there is no room to be liberal! It is kill or be killed, You are CONSERVITIVE and CONSERVITIVE at all times!

The Constitution and Bill of Rights be damned, by God!!!
















And even with your disclaimer, the final part of your post is disgusting at best, disturbing at worst.

But to flip your point on it's ear, what if it was your father, brother, cousin, mother who is illegally and unnecessarily detained, beaten and humiliated by our government? Simply because we are at war does not give ANYone the right to stray from the protections granted under our laws. I'd rather not have Hitler come to power in this country, thank you.

To bad for them that they are not American citizens, if they were they would have the protection of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Too bad for the Jews, gays and handicapped that they weren't German. 22 million of them wouldn't have been slaughtered.

[cats2506]

You have a serious problem if you are comparing the GITMO detaines to the Holocost victims.