Welsch on Hauck (Chronicle)

[GFGriz]

First of all GFGriz, trying to push us down and telling us that we hate ourselves is really a nice attempt at logic. We hate ourselves so much that we desperately need Hauck to like us. Is this lgoic from the UM dance 101 class you took? Spare me your shrink babbling, it only makes you look really arrogant and condescending, oh wait you are a griz fan.

Secondly, let me reinforce this point, I will say it real slow for your griz fans who seem to have trouble following it.

THIS. DISCUSSION. HAS. NOTHING. TO. DO. WITH. FAN. BEHAVIOR.

Did you follow that? Please stop comparing Hauck's behavior to fan behavior, because coaches are supposed to act like fans. Fans can be rude, obnoxious, courteous, whatever the hell they want. WE here at MSU expect a certain level of professionalism and a bit of chivarly from our coaches. You seem to encourage the belittling comments and then brush them off by pushing us down or referring to past MSU problems.

And what does it say about the recent surge of griz posters registering on this Cats site? You care as much about what we do as we care about what you do. If we are blinded by hatred toward the griz, griz are blinded by their own egos.

You know, Celtic, I'm really trying hard here to figure out what the heck you folks are talking about. Just before this, I asked for specific instances behind the accusation that Coach Hauck acted "classless" and "crude". Your response? NOTHING. Now you refer to "professionalism" and "chivalry". Once again, I'm wondering if a coach buying drugs with intent to distribute is an example of this "Code of the Bobcat" story you're peddling now. And that was just 2 years ago; it wasn't ancient history. Give me one example when Coach Hauck supposedly acted "classless" or "crude." Oh, and by the way, is it now your story that the "Code of the Bobcat" applies only to coaches? Your fans can be classless, crude, unprofessional? If that's the case, why not just close this all down and let your coaches try selling that too.

[CelticCat]

I bring up fan behavior only because I'm stereotyping griz fans, and GFGriz fits right in. I didn't say griz fans aren't allowed to be classless arrogant, whatever they want. That doesn't mean I don't think that. Coach behavior and fan behavior are apples and oranges.

For GFGriz who apparently didn't read the article. Once again:

The lemon-sucking lout who wouldn't give the other Big Sky Conference program in the state credit for picking its school colors, much less beating the Grizzlies.

The personality-challenged oaf who'd have his linemen push a broken-down team bus over the hill to the familiar Yellowstone River valley before ever leaving valuable dollars in, you know, that town.

The pompous egomaniac who won't return phone calls to Bozeman sports-talk shows.

The arrogant brat who would sooner sell his twin children into slavery than utter "Montana State" or "Bobcats" or "MSU."

Clear enough? These are accusations against Hauck and he knows about them. Has he done anything to clear his name of these? No.

Typical response GFgriz, I said griz fans just resort to past instances, there you go with the meth thing. Do you seriously think the University condoned his behavior? You sure seem to think so. As soon as we found out, he was history.

Fans CAN act however they want. They'll bring a bad rep upon their school, sure, but they aren't going to get fired, what have you.

Man you guys have some thick skulls in here. I didn't respond to your inquiry for specific instances because I assumed you had read the article. It may all be heresay for all I know, but Hauck has done nothing to dismiss these accusations as well.

Man I hate arguing with brick walls.

[GFGriz]

I bring up fan behavior only because I'm stereotyping griz fans, and GFGriz fits right in. I didn't say griz fans aren't allowed to be classless arrogant, whatever they want. That doesn't mean I don't think that. Coach behavior and fan behavior are apples and oranges.

For GFGriz who apparently didn't read the article. Once again:

The lemon-sucking lout who wouldn't give the other Big Sky Conference program in the state credit for picking its school colors, much less beating the Grizzlies.

The personality-challenged oaf who'd have his linemen push a broken-down team bus over the hill to the familiar Yellowstone River valley before ever leaving valuable dollars in, you know, that town.

The pompous egomaniac who won't return phone calls to Bozeman sports-talk shows.

The arrogant brat who would sooner sell his twin children into slavery than utter "Montana State" or "Bobcats" or "MSU."

Clear enough? These are accusations against Hauck and he knows about them. Has he done anything to clear his name of these? No.

Typical response GFgriz, I said griz fans just resort to past instances, there you go with the meth thing. Do you seriously think the University condoned his behavior? You sure seem to think so. As soon as we found out, he was history.

Fans CAN act however they want. They'll bring a bad rep upon their school, sure, but they aren't going to get fired, what have you.

Man you guys have some thick skulls in here. I didn't respond to your inquiry for specific instances because I assumed you had read the article. It may all be heresay for all I know, but Hauck has done nothing to dismiss these accusations as well.

Man I hate arguing with brick walls.

Gee Celt, I read that article. The question is: Did you? The article described that list you're referring to as "a year's worth of spin in the Gallatin Valley". Not specifics, not fact, just "spin." I asked for specific instances in which Coach Hauck supposedly acted in a classless, crude, unprofessional way, and all you offer is what the BOZEMAN CHRONICLE described as "spin" followed up by an interview in which the Bozeman reporter described Coach Hauck as "friendly ... smiling ... laughing. He's as engaging as your favorite uncle." And you say that Hauck has "done nothing to dismiss these accusations." Why would anyone waste his time dismissing on what the newspaper in Bozeman describes as "spin"? Do you know of any specific instances in which Coach Hauck acted "crude" with regard to the 'Cats, Celt? Any idea when I can expect you to come up with those specific examples?

[GOKATS]

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Trying to talk sense with a griz is like pi$$ing on a forest fire- why bother?

[CelticCat]

We simply wanted a more in-depth interview to get to the bottom of the rumors surrounding Hauck's attitude towards the Cats.
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These are accusations against Hauck and he knows about them. Has he done anything to clear his name of these? No.
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It may all be heresay for all I know, but Hauck has done nothing to dismiss these accusations as well.

Look at the bold words (though not all spelled correctly ). Never did I state that Hauck has said these things without a doubt. I just want some clarification on the issue. Welsch didn't ask the questions, and Hauck didn't bring it up. Besides had he said any of the things (or done), that is the kind of snafu that publicists are paid to keep under wraps anyway, so there may not be any proof, if there are any PR people who do that in Montana.

On the flip side, find me some quotes by Hauck praising or even giving the Cats credit.

[BozoneCat]

First, Coach Hauck has never said he "despises" anything related to the 'Cats. I might be wrong, but the root cause of your comment might be that you despise yourself. Just a hunch; check it out. Second, Coach Hauck is not the kind of guy whose self-identity depends on whether you like him, or whether he ruffles your feathers. Seems to me, Bozone, that rather than addressing the question of whether you like Coach Hauck, you should be trying to figure out why you don't like yourself. Overprotective mother, emotionally distant father .... your comments bring a lot of possibilities to mind immediately ... it would probably require a team approach to plumb the depths of your inadequacies. But I digress. Third, Coach Hauck may not be as gregarious as Coach Kramer, but he's handled himself with poise, distinction, grace and humor, in assuming the helm of Montana's two most successful football programs. The only more pressure-filled coaching job in Montana is Coach Van Diest's at Carroll College. Finally, you're delusional if you think Griz fans are embarrassed by Coach Hauck. We're fine with him. Most of us like Coach Kramer, too. And all of us are hoping that with regard to you, Bozone, the healing begins, and soon. I'm pulling for you!

Read this really slow and many times, so maybe you can understand. I'll go slow and organize it really well to help you from getting lost. And for the record, go take your Freudian B.S. and shove it up your ass.

1.) You are correct in stating that Hack has never used the word "despise" or any derivative thereof when referring to the Bobcats or Montana State. I guess that the sentiment is generally just inferred.

2.) I don't hate myself. I'm about to earn my doctorate and begin practicing. How's G-town treating you? [Ding] Yup, I think your order's up at Eddie's.

3.) I agree that Hack doesn't care what anyone, especially Bobcat fans, think of him. Fine, I have no problem with that. He should, however, care about how his own employees, players, and fans view him - and [news flash] - there are many people within the griz family who don't care for Baby and his childish ways. The way that Hack acts should embarrass all griz fans, and it almost worries me more that people such as yourself aren't ashamed of him.

4.) "Poise, distinction, grace, and humor..." ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?!?! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! Congratulations, you have just moved into the Top 3 of alltime dUMbest things ever posted on this site. Remove your lips from Bobby's nutsack for a second and come back to this little world we like to call reality. Even griz fans who like Bobby wouldn't choose to describe him with those first three words (maybe humor).

5.) Go smoke another 8-ball if you think Van Diest has more pressure with his job than Kramer does with his.

6.) The saddest thing about this point is that, NO, I don't think griz fans are embarrassed by Coach Hack. The point is, YOU SHOULD BE.

To address another thing you've asked in other posts, there have been numerous instances where Hack has either degraded MSU by things he has said or things he has not said. Things he has said include only referring to MSU as "State," which is fine in itself, but he had to add that we hadn't earned the "Montana" that goes before it. Of course, that was before the 2003 game in which we beat him. Funny, we still haven't done enough to ever get him to utter "Montana State" or "Bobcats" in even one interview. Ever heard the phrase, "I don't have to like you, but damn do I respect you..."? Nope, neither has Baby. Things he has not said include not saying ONE single good thing about the Cats after we beat his team in 2003. Not one. The only things he said referred to how the griz beat themselves and how Justin Green ran all over Kane Ioane (I'll bet Kane will take the W). I have never read an interview when someone asked about the outlook of the Big Sky where Hack said anything about Montana State, good or bad.

If you like Hack, good for you. People like you belong together.

[GFGriz]

First, Coach Hauck has never said he "despises" anything related to the 'Cats. I might be wrong, but the root cause of your comment might be that you despise yourself. Just a hunch; check it out. Second, Coach Hauck is not the kind of guy whose self-identity depends on whether you like him, or whether he ruffles your feathers. Seems to me, Bozone, that rather than addressing the question of whether you like Coach Hauck, you should be trying to figure out why you don't like yourself. Overprotective mother, emotionally distant father .... your comments bring a lot of possibilities to mind immediately ... it would probably require a team approach to plumb the depths of your inadequacies. But I digress. Third, Coach Hauck may not be as gregarious as Coach Kramer, but he's handled himself with poise, distinction, grace and humor, in assuming the helm of Montana's two most successful football programs. The only more pressure-filled coaching job in Montana is Coach Van Diest's at Carroll College. Finally, you're delusional if you think Griz fans are embarrassed by Coach Hauck. We're fine with him. Most of us like Coach Kramer, too. And all of us are hoping that with regard to you, Bozone, the healing begins, and soon. I'm pulling for you!

Read this really slow and many times, so maybe you can understand. I'll go slow and organize it really well to help you from getting lost. And for the record, go take your Freudian B.S. and shove it up your ass.

1.) You are correct in stating that Hack has never used the word "despise" or any derivative thereof when referring to the Bobcats or Montana State. I guess that the sentiment is generally just inferred.

2.) I don't hate myself. I'm about to earn my doctorate and begin practicing. How's G-town treating you? [Ding] Yup, I think your order's up at Eddie's.

3.) I agree that Hack doesn't care what anyone, especially Bobcat fans, think of him. Fine, I have no problem with that. He should, however, care about how his own employees, players, and fans view him - and [news flash] - there are many people within the griz family who don't care for Baby and his childish ways. The way that Hack acts should embarrass all griz fans, and it almost worries me more that people such as yourself aren't ashamed of him.

4.) "Poise, distinction, grace, and humor..." ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?!?! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! Congratulations, you have just moved into the Top 3 of alltime dUMbest things ever posted on this site. Remove your lips from Bobby's nutsack for a second and come back to this little world we like to call reality. Even griz fans who like Bobby wouldn't choose to describe him with those first three words (maybe humor).

5.) Go smoke another 8-ball if you think Van Diest has more pressure with his job than Kramer does with his.

6.) The saddest thing about this point is that, NO, I don't think griz fans are embarrassed by Coach Hack. The point is, YOU SHOULD BE.

To address another thing you've asked in other posts, there have been numerous instances where Hack has either degraded MSU by things he has said or things he has not said. Things he has said include only referring to MSU as "State," which is fine in itself, but he had to add that we hadn't earned the "Montana" that goes before it. Of course, that was before the 2003 game in which we beat him. Funny, we still haven't done enough to ever get him to utter "Montana State" or "Bobcats" in even one interview. Ever heard the phrase, "I don't have to like you, but damn do I respect you..."? Nope, neither has Baby. Things he has not said include not saying ONE single good thing about the Cats after we beat his team in 2003. Not one. The only things he said referred to how the griz beat themselves and how Justin Green ran all over Kane Ioane (I'll bet Kane will take the W). I have never read an interview when someone asked about the outlook of the Big Sky where Hack said anything about Montana State, good or bad.

If you like Hack, good for you. People like you belong together.

Sorry, Bozone. First, your filthy posting reflects a seriously unbalanced person. Second, there just isn’t a host of Griz fans out there who are embarrassed by Coach Hauck. Perhaps you would appreciate how much we Griz fans respect Coach Hauck for having come into the program and taken the team to the National Championship in only his second year. I've spoken with him several times, and although I am not a big contributor, he has always acted in a kind, gracious and sincerely happy manner, and he always remembers a name. He’s one of the most genuine, and genuinely enjoyable people I have met. Lacking any first-hand exposure to Coach Hauck, Bozone, or to people with those kind of qualities, I can understand your feelings of inadequacy. But please don’t continue to embarrass yourself by your unbalanced attacks on a good man and mentor. Oh, and I just love the way you fall back into self-pity when you complain that Coach Hauck has not said anything good or bad about the ‘Cats. I’ve commented on this before, but you just can’t help yourself, can you? Just have to follow that inner demon that cries out, “My ‘Cats just don’t get any respect”, right? If you really need it, Bozone, and it will help your poor bruised ego, then I did find the Daily Interlake reported the following before the Griz beat the ‘Cats last year: “UM coach Bobby Hauck was confident the Bobcats would get their defense together for today's game. ‘They've got a good defense and they'll play well against us,’ he said. ‘They've got a good team and we need to play well.’” Now, do you feel better? I sure hope so. Nah, that’s not true. I don’t give a crap about you, you foul-mouthed sap.

[CelticCat]

Are you trying to make the argument that griz fans are perfect and anyone else is mentally unstable? dUMb logic at its finest!

By the way, what does Haucks butt taste like?

[GFGriz]

Are you trying to make the argument that griz fans are perfect and anyone else is mentally unstable? dUMb logic at its finest!

By the way, what does Haucks butt taste like?

You know, Celtic, I was pondering your comments and those of Bozone, and while I was going to leave this alone, you two just keep on bringing the topic up, and so I thought I’d just give you both a little affirmation. In an earlier post, when I complimented Coach Hauck, Bozone commented about shoving things up, well, you know…. And he openly fantasized about labial contact with another guy’s nether-parts, well, you know. And now you are spending your night pondering taste sensations that never really run through the minds of 95% of American males, myself included. But then again, this isn’t really about me, is it? It’s about you, and Bozone, and your own unrequited feelings. As my previous posts have demonstrated, I’ve been seriously concerned at the pathological nature of the abnormal fixation ‘Cat fans such as yourself and Bozone have shared in this thread, but the truth has a way of forcing itself out. Every time anyone compliments him, you and Bozone immediately begin acting out in this none-too-subtle way, maybe never realizing why it is you long for words of respect, or why you share with hundreds, perhaps thousands of other ‘Cat fans, thoughts that lie too deep for words. Thoughts that most men never consider. You are both brave and courageous men for sharing these thoughts, Celtic and Bozone. Your bitterness probably reflects the hostility you’ve experienced. But don’t worry: there’s a new world opening up for you. Canada, Spain, Belgium, and England ... already, these countries welcome pioneers such as yourself. America will soon join this march to progress, I’m sure. Forget Coach Hauck. He doesn’t play for your “team”. But maybe you two should get together. Until then, however, please keep the genital comments between yourselves. Better yet … get a room.

[BozoneCat]

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"Not that there's anything wrong with that!" (just to show I haven't lost my sense of humor)

Celtic, I think it would be best if we just leave bad enough alone and quit arguing with this blathering idiot. I'm outta this thread, or at least I'm done responding to GooFy.

[GFGriz]

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"Not that there's anything wrong with that!" (just to show I haven't lost my sense of humor)

Celtic, I think it would be best if we just leave bad enough alone and quit arguing with this blathering idiot. I'm outta this thread, or at least I'm done responding to GooFy.

Thank God!

[kmax]

Since I try to keep up with most of the posts in the Bobcat Sports board and I am really tired of reading this crap you all can continue in the Smack forum where I can ignore you easier.

[CelticCat]

Yea I'm definately done with this guy. He is like bearbac but he actually learned some English while attending dUMb. Anyways, I'm done wasting my time here, time to focus on Cat football once again! Can't wait for the season to start.

[suckitgriz]

I wish some if these jizz fans would take a look at their own players and stop acting like booby cares what they think. I for one know of several Griz players, and I call them Griz because it is not the players i dislike, who all dislike booby and those same players tell me that most, the majority, of the team share the same feeling. This will eventually explode and bring down the mighty jizzlies...I am going to love saying, "I told you so!"

[Proud Griz Man]

Yea I'm definately done with this guy. He is like bearbac but he actually learned some English while attending dUMb. Anyways, I'm done wasting my time here, time to focus on Cat football once again! Can't wait for the season to start.

You MSU fans are bizarre. This thread was started to slam Coach Hauck, and you MSU fans droned on and on. As I stated before, you folks need to let it go.

OBTW, research your own history, and you will find MSU coaches like Parac, Holland, Lubick, Cliff Hysell that disliked UM. We're in-state rivals with some mutual respect and mutual distrust (i.e. Packer fans will never cheer for the Chicago Bears).

[CelticCat]

Actually the thread was started to slam Welsch if anybody. Read the first few posts. We talk about how the article reinforced our view of Hauck, and about how we wanted a more indepth interview, we didn't do any Hauck bashing that hasn't been stated hundreds of times in other threads. We simply talked about the article and maybe agreed or disagreed with it in terms of Hauck. It turned to smack when GFGriz added:

"What a bunch of insecure, immature babies. I sometimes think you folks won't be satisfied unless Coach Hauck came over and burped you so you can feel all warm and happy about yourselves. I have listened to Coach Hauck since he came to Montana, and I have never heard him utter a word of insult to or about the 'Cats, and certainly nothing that compares to the hydrophobic rantings you all throw his way while describing what a horrible, nasty, mean guy he is. But here's a newsflash: Coach Hauck was hired to coach the Montana Grizzlies, not to soothe the tender egos of a minority of 'Cat fans whose self-identity derives entierely from whether the coach of their in-state rival talks pretty to them. Personally, I like Coach Kramer, but I'm not depending on him to make me feel good about being a Griz fan. If hugs from Coach Hauck is really standing between 'Cat fans and true happiness, then I can bet you're never going to be happy."

It all went downhill after that.

[Go Scats Go]

Ive said it befor and Ill say it again

If you want respect GO OUT AND EARN IT!!!!

In 1984 When you won it all- There was no respect given to UofM by Bobcat fans. And thats fine the GRIZ DID NOT DESERVE ANY RESPECT.

Hauck is the Griz coach and I dont think he or any other Griz fan gives a Flying Football what Cat fans think about him.

YOUR BEING PLAYED!!!

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

Ive said it befor and Ill say it again

If you want respect GO OUT AND EARN IT!!!!

In 1984 When you won it all- There was no respect given to UofM by Bobcat fans. And thats fine the GRIZ DID NOT DESERVE ANY RESPECT.

Hauck is the Griz coach and I dont think he or any other Griz fan gives a Flying Football what Cat fans think about him.

YOUR BEING PLAYED!!!

You're posting on this thread.....something tells me that you, Proud Griz, GFGriz (aka board wannabe sociologist), might have a slight concern about what Cat fans think of your much beloved Beavis.

The continued posting by griz fans on this thread reinforces it.

[mslacat]

As a sports editor of one of Montana largest paper Welch has to show some restraint and professionality when writing articals about the Griz, so cut him a break.

Now he should assign one of the other reporters (are there others ?) to ask Hauck the pointed questions.

[GFGriz]

Actually the thread was started to slam Welsch if anybody. Read the first few posts. We talk about how the article reinforced our view of Hauck, and about how we wanted a more indepth interview, we didn't do any Hauck bashing that hasn't been stated hundreds of times in other threads. We simply talked about the article and maybe agreed or disagreed with it in terms of Hauck. It turned to smack when GFGriz added:

"What a bunch of insecure, immature babies. I sometimes think you folks won't be satisfied unless Coach Hauck came over and burped you so you can feel all warm and happy about yourselves. I have listened to Coach Hauck since he came to Montana, and I have never heard him utter a word of insult to or about the 'Cats, and certainly nothing that compares to the hydrophobic rantings you all throw his way while describing what a horrible, nasty, mean guy he is. But here's a newsflash: Coach Hauck was hired to coach the Montana Grizzlies, not to soothe the tender egos of a minority of 'Cat fans whose self-identity derives entierely from whether the coach of their in-state rival talks pretty to them. Personally, I like Coach Kramer, but I'm not depending on him to make me feel good about being a Griz fan. If hugs from Coach Hauck is really standing between 'Cat fans and true happiness, then I can bet you're never going to be happy."

It all went downhill after that.

CelticCat claims the first few posts in this thread show the thread was meant to slam Jeff Welsch, and not Coach Hauck, and that only after I joined the fray did it turn into smack. You only need to read the first two posts to find Celtic’s lying In the first post, WBTFG compliments Welsch, and slams Coach Hauck: “It was a great idea for a story and I applaud Welsch for trying new things in addition to the standard football reports and player profiles.” WBTFG goes on to slam Coach Hauck, “He comes across as very arrogant, and immature.” In the second post, Bozone comments upon the report that Coach Hauck being “jovial and relaxed” in his office: “That is exactly how spoiled brats behave, they are happy when they are comfortable and everything is going their way. … He is a jerk not only to Montana State and all things related, but he is also a jackass to his own employees and players. When the griz lose a couple games early this season, watch his players quit on him.” The idea that this thread started off as some discussion about journalism and not a slam of Coach Hauck is ridiculous. You ‘Cat fans suggest Coach Hauck is not a nice guy and just doesn’t show the ‘Cats enough “respect,” yet you throw a litany of insults at him, calling him “arrogant”, “immature”, a “spoiled brat”, “a jerk”, “a jackass”. CelticCat’s first post starts off by describing Coach Hauck as a “pompous jerk” and “a jackass”. The rest of the thread is filled with obscene references to sexual acts. After you ‘Cat fans have acted like this, why do you expect any Griz fan, let alone their coach, to act with respect towards you or your team? Listening to you folks criticize Coach Hauck for not being likable is as nauseating as listening to Scott Peterson criticize a neighbor’s parenting skills. I’ve always liked Coach Kramer, and his football team. It’s a shame they’re saddled with fans like you.