Yuppies in Bozeman?

[briannell]

I don't know what PT's you have seen, but I certainly wouldn't be caught dead wearing sweat pants and a t-shirt to work. I am a professional, I will be a doctor, and I dress like it. I wouldn't even work at a facility where anyone is allowed to dress like that.

aren't you a little snot. Place is called Health and Fitness in Concord, CA
they get the 49ers, Oakland A's and Giants for clients, I did volunteer hours there. They also service the local colleges like SMC, Hayward, Cal. All have qualifications that would put UM degree to shame. they are very professional, yet casual is accepted. Tees are collared, and logoed. we wear nice shoes They work in association to serveral hospitals in the area as well. As for me I worked for Towson Sports Medicine clinic in Maryland. I worked at TSM, Towson State University and Harford Community College. Dress was the same collared shirt with logo, casual slacks, and hoodies with TSM on them. My boss headed John Hopkins Programs - not a shabby program.

-side note- My mom is MSU alum, PT since 1968 and very classy. Yet it's the Ag girl in her - she doesn't dress in suits, she wears nice casual attire- clients don't like uppity, they like warm and inviting

[BozoneCat]

Excuse me?! I could care less who their celebrity clients are, I don't consider sweat pants to be appropriate apparel in ANY work setting. Now if you misspoke, and the dress is khakis and collered golf shirts, then I am fine with that. I still choose to dress more formally than that, but I don't have a problem with that attire. Sweat pants, though? I don't think my attitude towards that is snotty, it is just a matter of dressing professionally. You can't ask your patients or your colleagues to respect you in that kind of attire. Do you see many physicians treating those same patients wearing shorts and sweatshirts? Of course not. I hold myself on the same level (maybe that makes me a yuppy, getting back to the original topic! ). I don't think wearing dress slacks and a button-down (tie occasionally, but it gets in the way when you are treating) is uppity at all. I want my patients to look up to me and respect me as a doctor, not as their friend. Now, I can develop a great relationship with my patients at the same time, but I think that if they view me in that light, then they will have greater respect for my knowledge and I will get greater compliance with my prescriptions, which will lead to better patient outcomes, which is ultimately everyone's goal.

[briannell]

well, yeah sometimes sweat pants, sports bras, and tees, as a PT or AT you have to REHABLITATE the client. we jog from time to time, sometimes in the pool as well. ACL and rotator cuff rehab is great done in the pool, you get wet along with them. My point was you need to be approachable to the client. And outside of MT - you'll work primarily with worker's comp and elderly if not affiliated with a University or sports program. Most of these people don't have education above 10th grade (citing CA stats) they could care less what fancy designer clothes you are wearing. I don't know the last time you worked a lacrosse game, or baseball, football, but heels wont do. you wear clean, approachable attire that is functional. Credentials matter, not so much the clothes.

No client will respect arrogance. guess that's what I wanted to say. many programs are just so set that as PT's you don't do a heck of a lot anyway. An Orthopedists/family physician gives you a plan, you just follow instructions, and type into a cybex the plan. Been there done that.

and yes you're a yuppy

[MSUCATS]

Back to this bar thing for a minute...

The reason so many people flock to the R Bar and Mixers is because of the no smoking rule in the bar. Although I use to go to LJ's, and the old R Bar, and really miss the atmosphere of the Old R Bar, I am very happy that Ralph and Mike made the No Smoking rule. It is so nice and refreshing to go in and have a few drinks and not smell like you've smoked a pack of cigs.

I still like to go to the Crystal (it reminds me of the Old R Bar), and I go to the Legion before it gets crazy in there. It gets way too smokey and hot in there.

If you really want to get smoked out, then go to the Triangle. I can hardly breathe after being in one or more of those bars! The Triangle reminds me a lot of Missoulians (<-- is this what they're called?)

I just wish Bozeman was like it use to be, where you could go to the bar and actually know more than 5% of the people in there. It seems like there are so many places to be now, since Bozeman has grown so much... that if you go out, you might not even see anyone you know.

Being born and raised here in the Gallatin Valley, I have seen SO MANY changes in this community. Some good, some bad, but I really miss the closeness, the community unity. I really wish Bozeman was that same magical place that it once was... not what it is turning into.

[BozoneCat]

I think my idea of what a physical therapist does is far different from your idea, let's just leave it at that.

[briannell]

I really wish Bozeman was that same magical place that it once was... not what it is turning into.

would be nice

reminds me of Jackson Hole too much. Still love Bozeman. Crystal is always a safe bet if you want to avoid the yuppy influence.

[Topher]

Ok, I will definitely have to try out some new locations when I hit Bozeman next time. I typically go where my friends go, and unfortunately it typically means the rich person bars.

Bozone Cat,

I have no problem with people moving to Montana, my parents moved here two years before I was born. They were orginally from SoDak and made their livelihood in the greatest state created by God himself (no debating it) The problem is the idea that we are a vacation destination or means to "get away from it all". For me this is it all. I want to get a job here, start a family here, and even die here for crying out loud. To me Big Sky symbolizes the fact that the rich have no respect when visiting other cultures (yes folks, we have a culture). The rule that you can't build a home unless it is a $5 million dollar home is REDICULOUS! You don't MOVE here and then tell us what we can do with OUR home. Montana is the only home I have ever known, and I don't want to see it treated like a play thing for rich people, it is soooo much more than that.

And now for the funny. A boy was asking his father some pretty profound questions one day, and th father found himself scrambling for answers. The son started with an easier one, "Dad why did god make the sky?" The father thought for a minute then replied "Well son, God made the sky because he knew we would need sunshine and rain for the lands below" The boy continued "Well why did God make the Ocean?" The father knew this would be a toughy, but he answered as best he could, "God made the ocean so fisherman could have a job and make money. If there wasn't an ocean, you wouldn't have any tuna for your lunch." The father thought he was finally in the clear when his son asked, "Dad, why did God make Montana?" The father just smiled and replied, "Because even God likes to show off every now then"

[briannell]

oh for bozone forgot to add when it comes to professionals (any really), if you can back you S**t up, no one will care about your dress code Too much emphasis on the books cover and not the contents.

Off to my daughters Hem/Oncology appt. today. Her docs at Children's here in Seattle could Look like Barney the dino or Bozo the Clown and no one would care as long as they have the knowledge to cure our kids

good luck with wooing your interview team!

[UMclassof2002]

oh for bozone forgot to add when it comes to professionals (any really), if you can back you S**t up, no one will care about your dress code

This might be the most erroneous statement ever posted on the internet. First impressions are important, so which pro are you going to have more faith in:

1. BozoneCat who greets you at his office in pressed slacks, a maroon shirt, Griz tie and matching jacket; or,
2. Nell is her MSU sweats with an "Ass, Gas or Grass - Nobody Rides for Free" t-shirt.


Think about it

[Grizlaw]

...her MSU sweats with an "Ass, Gas or Grass - Nobody Rides for Free" t-shirt.

I actually choked on my coffee when I read this.

[briannell]

2. Nell is her MSU sweats with an "Ass, Gas or Grass - Nobody Rides for Free" t-shirt.

I would never look that dumpy

have worn jog pants and sports bra (in 80 degree weather) - motivates male lacrosse players to run, deputies too

oh and if you don't think it motivates men to put young women with nice bodies in pool water with them, when they are required to do ACL rehab exercises , you're doing too much grass.


In my office I am tidy, not dumpy, BUT NO heels. I always trained with my athletes, so business suits wouldn't work for that. mostly I handle the fitness end, and athletic training duties. I taped ankles, and worked games in appropriate attire. same get up as coaches usually. casual yet clean.

MY POINT was this - If you can back your S**T up, your clients will respond to you better, than if you are simply trying to impress them with outside appearances. Sorry, Brad Pitt would not get my vote over a experienced, doctor with great bed side manners. I repeat go to any critical care unit and ask the families this "If you could have the world 's best doctor treat your loved one, but he likes to wear jeans and a harley tee shirt or a GQ looking fresh out of med school, no experienced doc treat them, which would you choose?" I'd choose Harley if they have the SKILLS to cure my loved one. - but that's just me. may be YOU need looks, I NEED SKILLS.

[coachouert]

2. Nell is her MSU sweats with an "Ass, Gas or Grass - Nobody Rides for Free" t-shirt.

I would never look that dumpy

have worn jog pants and sports bra (in 80 degree weather) - motivates male lacrosse players to run, deputies too

oh and if you don't think it motivates men to put young women with nice bodies in pool water with them, when they are required to do ACL rehab exercises , you're doing too much grass.


In my office I am tidy, not dumpy, BUT NO heels. I always trained with my athletes, so business suits wouldn't work for that. mostly I handle the fitness end, and athletic training duties. I taped ankles, and worked games in appropriate attire. same get up as coaches usually. casual yet clean.

MY POINT was this - If you can back your S**T up, your clients will respond to you better, than if you are simply trying to impress them with outside appearances. Sorry, Brad Pitt would not get my vote over a experienced, doctor with great bed side manners. I repeat go to any critical care unit and ask the families this "If you could have the world 's best doctor treat your loved one, but he likes to wear jeans and a harley tee shirt or a GQ looking fresh out of med school, no experienced doc treat them, which would you choose?" I'd choose Harley if they have the SKILLS to cure my loved one. - but that's just me. may be YOU need looks, I NEED SKILLS.

It's not a matter of looks to get clients is a load of crap. I'm sorry, if you were to go to two physical therapy places and the first one has a doctor who is a little bit more dressed up and looks professional much like Bozone is talking about and then you walk next door to some dude who looks like he just got done taking a couple of bong rips wearing his "fat chicks or bust" t-shirt, you are probably going to turn right around and walk back to the guy who looks professional. No matter how great captain fat chicks is at his job, very few people are going to give him a chance because first impressions are critical! Maybe where Rebecca worked was an established PT office, but I can guarentee that whoever started it didn't build it up by showing up in his or her office sporting sweats every day.

I think trying to make the comparison to a doctor in an intensive care unit is a stretch as well. Doctors in those units are usually the best and the brightest but also have to go through a hiring process to get there unlike many physical therapists who can and do start their own firms. Also arguing that only experienced doctors will be the ones who wear harley tshirts and jeans versus the young wet behind the ears GQ kids isn't really a fair assumption either. There are good and poor doctors at any age and not all of the young ones are going to be GQ'd and have poor bed side manners. Basically a really poor stereotype IMO.

[eRat-a-Cat-er]

It's called research, and you do it prior to making any appointment!

[coachouert]

It's called research, and you do it prior to making any appointment!

And you've never researched by actually going to a place before your appointment?

[eRat-a-Cat-er]

It's called research, and you do it prior to making any appointment!

And you've never researched by actually going to a place before your appointment?

I believe making contact with a potential service provider prior to making an appointment is research!

[GOKATS]

It's called research[/b:

Research at MSU: Millions of dollars in research grants.

Research at UM: "Heh man, I haven't tried that sh*t before, but I'm so f'd up I'll try anything right now- let's do it!"

[UMclassof2002]

Welcome to your new PT:

[SonomaCat]

It's called research[/b:

Research at MSU: Millions of dollars in research grants.

Research at UM: "Heh man, I haven't tried that sh*t before, but I'm so f'd up I'll try anything right now- let's do it!"

Do both at the same time, and you might get some great results. Outside the box thinking and all.....

[BozoneCat]

oh for bozone forgot to add when it comes to professionals (any really), if you can back you S**t up, no one will care about your dress code Too much emphasis on the books cover and not the contents.

I think it goes without saying that excellent clinical skills are by far the most important trait to have as a practicing clinician. I don't see how or why dressing nice somehow would detract from your clinical skills, however. Ideally, I plan on utilizing the best of both worlds.

[WetWaderMT]

Bozo's lost...get out while you can!