2010 Griz...

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:03 am

ThunderCat wrote:Forget the money for a minute, the griz have played a few D-I teams in the past and they have beat or put a scare into some of them.

But now they also schedule some easy wins so they can get to a big win total and get into the playoffs with a good ranking.

The fact that they have won or shared the BSC for most of the past 14 years means they are better than most of the BSC. The fact they have won only two NCs in that time means they are not real players on the national stage. They beat the same conference foes evey year, maybe win a home playoff game then lose to a real football power.

That may be nice for the Cats to aspire to, but if I were a griz fan I would be sick of going through the motions after all these years. Either go big and become a real power program or deal with the fact that you are conference champs and not a real NC level program

Wow take off the Bobcat glasses there.

They aren't on a national stage?

So..

The fact that they've been to the semifinals and/or national championship 6 of the last 12 years, for you math majors that's 50% of the time (mind you that's mroe than any FCS team by far) means they aren't on a national stage - and I'm pretty sure that the teams in those fields weren't really a cakewalk, unless you're calling your own team part of that same cakewalk.

Good post.

ThunderCat · Post by **ThunderCat** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:34 am

I am looking at the Cats program as one that is trying to take it to the next level and knock the griz off of their BSC throne every year.

If the griz fans are happy finishing somewhere around 2-16 in the country after all these years of success then they won't mind when the Cats pass them by.

STREETCAT · Post by **STREETCAT** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:27 am

GrizinWashington wrote:Ah. It's clear to me now why there are 119 threads about the Griz schedule on this board.

I think the reason is that the griz fans on this board seem to drag these post out over and over and over again!!!!!! Dont you take the bait every time?

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:00 pm

ThunderCat wrote:Forget the money for a minute, the griz have played a few D-I teams in the past and they have beat or put a scare into some of them.

But now they also schedule some easy wins so they can get to a big win total and get into the playoffs with a good ranking.

The fact that they have won or shared the BSC for most of the past 14 years means they are better than most of the BSC. The fact they have won only two NCs in that time means they are not real players on the national stage. They beat the same conference foes evey year, maybe win a home playoff game then lose to a real football power.

That may be nice for the Cats to aspire to, but if I were a griz fan I would be sick of going through the motions after all these years. Either go big and become a real power program or deal with the fact that you are conference champs and not a real NC level program

Not on the national stage that’s funny. Why don’t you ask any of the other 23 teams in the top 25 if they think we are on the national stage.

Your right it sucks year after year playing for the national championship. Sucks, sucks sucks. It would be so much nicer to be a below average program like our little brothers to the south and be home for turkey day. I am so upset that I have only been able to attend 5 national championship games with my Griz since 1995.

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:01 pm

ThunderCat wrote:I am looking at the Cats program as one that is trying to take it to the next level and knock the griz off of their BSC throne every year.

If the griz fans are happy finishing somewhere around 2-16 in the country after all these years of success then they won't mind when the Cats pass them by.

Now thats really funny.

ThunderCat · Post by **ThunderCat** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:16 pm

That's fine with me, you griz keep livin' in the past while your program erodes around you.

You guys have it all;

Great venue

Great fans

Great coach

Great recent record against the Cats

Grizlaw · Post by **Grizlaw** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:23 pm

ThunderCat wrote:Great recent record against the Cats

"Recent" record...ahh, let me guess; the "selective fractioning" argument. The cornerstone of every Cat fan's smack talk.

Would I be correct in assuming that, in your view, the past five years is precisely the portion of the rivalry we should be looking at?

ThunderCat · Post by **ThunderCat** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:34 pm

No, Counselor, you should be looking at the highly relevant period from 1927-1961. Yes, what matters is recent history and what happens this November.

Grizlaw · Post by **Grizlaw** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:37 pm

ThunderCat wrote:No, Counselor, you should be looking at the highly relevant period from 1927-1961. Yes, what maters is recent history and what happens this November.

Yes, "recent" history. But why is it that every Cat fan seems to define "recent history" as precisely the preceding five years? "3 out of 5." It's not "1 out of 3," or "3 out of 10," or "3 out of 21"...it's "3 out of 5."

That was what I meant by "selective fractioning," since you obviously missed it.

ThunderCat · Post by **ThunderCat** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:51 pm

OK GrizLaw, you seem to be one of the more intelligent mammals to come out of UM so I will explain my rational. I chose a period that could be considered relevant to the present. Since 2002 the Cats have become a much improved program, that coincides with MSU increasing the $$ that it allocated to the Football program. If I were to include seasons that had significantly different funding then I don't think it would be as relevant to what is happening now.

You are right that I am drawing from a period that benefits my argument but...this is smack. Tell me where I am wrong.

Grizlaw · Post by **Grizlaw** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:12 pm

ThunderCat wrote:OK GrizLaw, you seem to be one of the more intelligent mammals to come out of UM so I will explain my rational. I chose a period that could be considered relevant to the present. Since 2002 the Cats have become a much improved program, that coincides with MSU increasing the $$ that it allocated to the Football program. If I were to include seasons that had significantly different funding then I don't think it would be as relevant to what is happening now.

You are right that I am drawing from a period that benefits my argument but...this is smack. Tell me where I am wrong.

Oh, there's no right or wrong here; it is, as you say, just smack. It's amusing, that's all...

STREETCAT · Post by **STREETCAT** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:26 pm

Grizlaw wrote:
ThunderCat wrote:No, Counselor, you should be looking at the highly relevant period from 1927-1961. Yes, what maters is recent history and what happens this November.
Yes, "recent" history. But why is it that every Cat fan seems to define "recent history" as precisely the preceding five years? "3 out of 5." It's not "1 out of 3," or "3 out of 10," or "3 out of 21"...it's "3 out of 5."

That was what I meant by "selective fractioning," since you obviously missed it.

Hind sight is always 20 20, but I doubt hauck or Ash give a sh!t about last year! Let alone the last 20 some odd years. thundercat makes the point that we are and will continue to be competitive now.

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:30 pm

ThunderCat wrote:That's fine with me, you griz keep livin' in the past while your program erodes around you.

You guys have it all;
Great venue
Great fans
Great coach

Your right, we're all the down to number 1.

tampa_griz · Post by **tampa_griz** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:03 pm

ThunderCat wrote:Forget the money for a minute, the griz have played a few D-I teams in the past and they have beat or put a scare into some of them.

But now they also schedule some easy wins so they can get to a big win total and get into the playoffs with a good ranking.

The fact that they have won or shared the BSC for most of the past 14 years means they are better than most of the BSC. The fact they have won only two NCs in that time means they are not real players on the national stage. They beat the same conference foes evey year, maybe win a home playoff game then lose to a real football power.

That may be nice for the Cats to aspire to, but if I were a griz fan I would be sick of going through the motions after all these years. Either go big and become a real power program or deal with the fact that you are conference champs and not a real NC level program

You can't be serious.

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.as ... 102506.htm

ThunderCat · Post by **ThunderCat** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:23 am

Enjoy the last days of living off your reputation (stadium) before you are relegated to the same place as all dynasties...history.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:06 am

ThunderCat wrote:Enjoy the last days of living off your reputation (stadium) before you are relegated to the same place as all dynasties...history.

I'm glad to hear this. Statements like this from Cat fans have obviously proved to be good luck for the last 20 years.