Welsch on Hauck (Chronicle)

GFGriz · Post by **GFGriz** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:01 pm

mslacat wrote:As a sports editor of one of Montana largest paper Welch has to show some restraint and professionality when writing articals about the Griz, so cut him a break.

Now he should assign one of the other reporters (are there others ?) to ask Hauck the pointed questions.

What would those "pointed questions" be, Mslacat? Something along the lines of "'Cat fans call you a 'jerk' and an 'asshole.'" Why don't you respect them?" I suspect that Welsch and any other reporter worth her or his salt has too much professional integrity to ask anyone, including Coach Hauck, to comment on the kind of baseless drivel that has filled this thread. And if asked, I doubt Coach Hauck would dignify the comments with a response. He'd smile and laugh it off because he's so much better a person that the folks who fill their lives hating him.

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:05 pm

GFGriz wrote:
CelticCat wrote:Actually the thread was started to slam Welsch if anybody. Read the first few posts. We talk about how the article reinforced our view of Hauck, and about how we wanted a more indepth interview, we didn't do any Hauck bashing that hasn't been stated hundreds of times in other threads. We simply talked about the article and maybe agreed or disagreed with it in terms of Hauck. It turned to smack when GFGriz added:

"What a bunch of insecure, immature babies. I sometimes think you folks won't be satisfied unless Coach Hauck came over and burped you so you can feel all warm and happy about yourselves. I have listened to Coach Hauck since he came to Montana, and I have never heard him utter a word of insult to or about the 'Cats, and certainly nothing that compares to the hydrophobic rantings you all throw his way while describing what a horrible, nasty, mean guy he is. But here's a newsflash: Coach Hauck was hired to coach the Montana Grizzlies, not to soothe the tender egos of a minority of 'Cat fans whose self-identity derives entierely from whether the coach of their in-state rival talks pretty to them. Personally, I like Coach Kramer, but I'm not depending on him to make me feel good about being a Griz fan. If hugs from Coach Hauck is really standing between 'Cat fans and true happiness, then I can bet you're never going to be happy."

It all went downhill after that.
CelticCat claims the first few posts in this thread show the thread was meant to slam Jeff Welsch, and not Coach Hauck, and that only after I joined the fray did it turn into smack. You only need to read the first two posts to find Celtic’s lying In the first post, WBTFG compliments Welsch, and slams Coach Hauck: “It was a great idea for a story and I applaud Welsch for trying new things in addition to the standard football reports and player profiles.” WBTFG goes on to slam Coach Hauck, “He comes across as very arrogant, and immature.” In the second post, Bozone comments upon the report that Coach Hauck being “jovial and relaxed” in his office: “That is exactly how spoiled brats behave, they are happy when they are comfortable and everything is going their way. … He is a jerk not only to Montana State and all things related, but he is also a jackass to his own employees and players. When the griz lose a couple games early this season, watch his players quit on him.” The idea that this thread started off as some discussion about journalism and not a slam of Coach Hauck is ridiculous. You ‘Cat fans suggest Coach Hauck is not a nice guy and just doesn’t show the ‘Cats enough “respect,” yet you throw a litany of insults at him, calling him “arrogant”, “immature”, a “spoiled brat”, “a jerk”, “a jackass”. CelticCat’s first post starts off by describing Coach Hauck as a “pompous jerk” and “a jackass”. The rest of the thread is filled with obscene references to sexual acts. After you ‘Cat fans have acted like this, why do you expect any Griz fan, let alone their coach, to act with respect towards you or your team? Listening to you folks criticize Coach Hauck for not being likable is as nauseating as listening to Scott Peterson criticize a neighbor’s parenting skills. I’ve always liked Coach Kramer, and his football team. It’s a shame they’re saddled with fans like you.

If you have followed the Cat-griz rivalry long enough, you'd notice one thing. Cat fans have always been, for the most part, respectful of the prior coaches and, in my own personal opinion, in awe of the griz football tradition that began circa 1995.

I spent time doing grad work at the University of Washington and a couple of those years were when Beavis was in bed with Slick Rick Neuheisel. I can tell you now and will continue to tell you, he's a spitting image of Slick Rick. He's smooth, he can recruit like no other, but he's selfish, hides behind an amazing facade that indicates one who's worthy of respect, but will show you another side as soon as you turn away (or turn off the microphone, etc etc)

My point is that Cat fans, for the most part, were respectful of people like Don Read and Joe Glenn. I believe they were classy guys and still are. Beavis has said a select few things over the past few years that MSU fans didn't like and, to us, that has spoke volumes. Of course, you'll dismiss it all since you're on his "side". What you fail to see in your griz-fan colored blindness is that the fanbase that you're a part of is what has been a very critical part of why Cat fans can't stand the likes of you and, over the past few years, a coach whose name shouldn't even be uttered in the same sentence as Read and Glenn.

Your pathetic attempts at psychiatry and evaluation of people on these boards simply bring to mind the old adage that "it takes one to know one".

Have a great day!

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:24 pm

GFGriz wrote:
"What a bunch of insecure, immature babies. I sometimes think you folks won't be satisfied unless Coach Hauck came over and burped you so you can feel all warm and happy about yourselves.

Now for the record who was bitching and moaning about not wanting to kick to Cory Smith at the start of his first cat/griz game?? Doesnt that smell of sore looser?

I have listened to Coach Hauck since he came to Montana, and I have never heard him utter a word of insult to or about the 'Cats, and certainly nothing that compares to the hydrophobic rantings you all throw his way while describing what a horrible, nasty, mean guy he is. But here's a newsflash: Coach Hauck was hired to coach the Montana Grizzlies, not to soothe the tender egos of a minority of 'Cat fans whose self-identity derives entierely from whether the coach of their in-state rival talks pretty to them.

I havnt saw a post of any cat fan that wanted coach Hauck fired, most of us want him to stay in Msla a good long time...

CelticCat claims the first few posts in this thread show the thread was meant to slam Jeff Welsch, and not Coach Hauck, and that only after I joined the fray did it turn into smack. You only need to read the first two posts to find Celtic’s lying In the first post, WBTFG compliments Welsch, and slams Coach Hauck: “It was a great idea for a story and I applaud Welsch for trying new things in addition to the standard football reports and player profiles.” WBTFG goes on to slam Coach Hauck, “He comes across as very arrogant, and immature.”

kinda easy to come acrossed as joking and comfortable in your own skin in your own office, lets have that interview in the lobby of a Holiday Inn in Bozeman the week of Cats/Griz

In the second post, Bozone comments upon the report that Coach Hauck being “jovial and relaxed” in his office: “That is exactly how spoiled brats behave, they are happy when they are comfortable and everything is going their way. … He is a jerk not only to Montana State and all things related, but he is also a jackass to his own employees and players. When the griz lose a couple games early this season, watch his players quit on him.”

And now it's time for Dr. Great Falls Griz:

The idea that this thread started off as some discussion about journalism and not a slam of Coach Hauck is ridiculous. You ‘Cat fans suggest Coach Hauck is not a nice guy and just doesn’t show the ‘Cats enough “respect,” yet you throw a litany of insults at him, calling him “arrogant”, “immature”, a “spoiled brat”, “a jerk”, “a jackass”. CelticCat’s first post starts off by describing Coach Hauck as a “pompous jerk” and “a jackass”. The rest of the thread is filled with obscene references to sexual acts. After you ‘Cat fans have acted like this, why do you expect any Griz fan, let alone their coach, to act with respect towards you or your team? Listening to you folks criticize Coach Hauck for not being likable is as nauseating as listening to Scott Peterson criticize a neighbor’s parenting skills. I’ve always liked Coach Kramer, and his football team. It’s a shame they’re saddled with fans like you.

GFGRIZ isnt it the mark of a man to be respectful in defeat, and of your opponents no matter who they are and what they have accomplished??

GFGriz · Post by **GFGriz** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:30 pm

lifeloyalsigmsu wrote:
GFGriz wrote:
CelticCat wrote:Actually the thread was started to slam Welsch if anybody. Read the first few posts. We talk about how the article reinforced our view of Hauck, and about how we wanted a more indepth interview, we didn't do any Hauck bashing that hasn't been stated hundreds of times in other threads. We simply talked about the article and maybe agreed or disagreed with it in terms of Hauck. It turned to smack when GFGriz added:

"What a bunch of insecure, immature babies. I sometimes think you folks won't be satisfied unless Coach Hauck came over and burped you so you can feel all warm and happy about yourselves. I have listened to Coach Hauck since he came to Montana, and I have never heard him utter a word of insult to or about the 'Cats, and certainly nothing that compares to the hydrophobic rantings you all throw his way while describing what a horrible, nasty, mean guy he is. But here's a newsflash: Coach Hauck was hired to coach the Montana Grizzlies, not to soothe the tender egos of a minority of 'Cat fans whose self-identity derives entierely from whether the coach of their in-state rival talks pretty to them. Personally, I like Coach Kramer, but I'm not depending on him to make me feel good about being a Griz fan. If hugs from Coach Hauck is really standing between 'Cat fans and true happiness, then I can bet you're never going to be happy."

It all went downhill after that.
CelticCat claims the first few posts in this thread show the thread was meant to slam Jeff Welsch, and not Coach Hauck, and that only after I joined the fray did it turn into smack. You only need to read the first two posts to find Celtic’s lying In the first post, WBTFG compliments Welsch, and slams Coach Hauck: “It was a great idea for a story and I applaud Welsch for trying new things in addition to the standard football reports and player profiles.” WBTFG goes on to slam Coach Hauck, “He comes across as very arrogant, and immature.” In the second post, Bozone comments upon the report that Coach Hauck being “jovial and relaxed” in his office: “That is exactly how spoiled brats behave, they are happy when they are comfortable and everything is going their way. … He is a jerk not only to Montana State and all things related, but he is also a jackass to his own employees and players. When the griz lose a couple games early this season, watch his players quit on him.” The idea that this thread started off as some discussion about journalism and not a slam of Coach Hauck is ridiculous. You ‘Cat fans suggest Coach Hauck is not a nice guy and just doesn’t show the ‘Cats enough “respect,” yet you throw a litany of insults at him, calling him “arrogant”, “immature”, a “spoiled brat”, “a jerk”, “a jackass”. CelticCat’s first post starts off by describing Coach Hauck as a “pompous jerk” and “a jackass”. The rest of the thread is filled with obscene references to sexual acts. After you ‘Cat fans have acted like this, why do you expect any Griz fan, let alone their coach, to act with respect towards you or your team? Listening to you folks criticize Coach Hauck for not being likable is as nauseating as listening to Scott Peterson criticize a neighbor’s parenting skills. I’ve always liked Coach Kramer, and his football team. It’s a shame they’re saddled with fans like you.
If you have followed the Cat-griz rivalry long enough, you'd notice one thing. Cat fans have always been, for the most part, respectful of the prior coaches and, in my own personal opinion, in awe of the griz football tradition that began circa 1995.

I spent time doing grad work at the University of Washington and a couple of those years were when Beavis was in bed with Slick Rick Neuheisel. I can tell you now and will continue to tell you, he's a spitting image of Slick Rick. He's smooth, he can recruit like no other, but he's selfish, hides behind an amazing facade that indicates one who's worthy of respect, but will show you another side as soon as you turn away (or turn off the microphone, etc etc)

My point is that Cat fans, for the most part, were respectful of people like Don Read and Joe Glenn. I believe they were classy guys and still are. Beavis has said a select few things over the past few years that MSU fans didn't like and, to us, that has spoke volumes. Of course, you'll dismiss it all since you're on his "side". What you fail to see in your griz-fan colored blindness is that the fanbase that you're a part of is what has been a very critical part of why Cat fans can't stand the likes of you and, over the past few years, a coach whose name shouldn't even be uttered in the same sentence as Read and Glenn.

Your pathetic attempts at psychiatry and evaluation of people on these boards simply bring to mind the old adage that "it takes one to know one".

Have a great day!

Your post is just another example of the mindless, irrational hatred that has consumed the 'Cats for years. Maybe worse, in it's own pathetic way. Earlier 'Cat posts accused Coach Hauck of being "immature" yet you resort to calling him "Beavis". Just another example of 'Cat maturity, eh? Or is that what you refer to as "class"? While I've been asking for specfic examples of Coach Hauck "despising" everything connected to MSU, all you can come up with is that he was "in bed with Slick Rick Neuheisel." He was an assistant coach in that program, for God's sake. If guilt by association is your speed, I have two words: Joe O'Brien. The rest of your post is just a slimy collection of insults. Where's the beef? You folks have virtually dedicated this thread to proving that you have no concept of the term "class". While nearly demanding that Coach Hauck complment you, and give you respect, you fill post after post with name-calling and obscenity, all directed toward a coach who has taken his team to the National Championship, and who has acted with honor, composure, grace and humor. You act insulted when a journalist interviews the guy face to face (something I doubt you have ever done), and found him to be a good guy, notwithstanding the fiction that pass for fact in the Gallatin valley. 'Cat fans on this thread, yourself included, wouldn't know "class" if they tripped on it. They'd just holler "Asshole" and move on. Who the heck would care whethere the likes of you think that Coach Hauck has class. You have to have class to be able to spot it, and you don't have it.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:43 pm

Do you seriously think we insult Hauck for no reason? You stated that how can we expect respect from him when we insult him. Do you think the very day he was hired we just started making up these accusations? No way! He has earned his reputation, and has EARNED his lack of respect from MSU fans. You can call it blind hatred for everything griz, but most of us have read too many stories and heard from too many people to give this man the respect you think he deserves.

I respected Read, Glenn. A majority of Cat fans did and do as well. Most Cat fans respect the program at UM, the tradition. But Hauck is nowhere in the same league as those gentlemen. Even if Hauck has never said one bad thing about the Cats, there were no rumors about Glenn and Reads classless behavior. There are rumors surrounding Hauck, true or not, that is more than can be said for Read and Glenn.

And of course we are going to comment on Hauck on an article about Hauck. Did you want us to not say a thing about the articles topic? We chose not to let one interview in which Hauck said very little change our view of the man. Big deal. You say that we are obsessed with the griz, but if you are so truely classy, gracious and humorous or whatever you said, then why do you possibly care what 15 people on a message board think of Hauck? Why are you even on this message board in the first place?

GFGriz · Post by **GFGriz** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:51 pm

Hell's Bells writes: "GFGRIZ isnt it the mark of a man to be respectful in defeat, and of your opponents no matter who they are and what they have accomplished??" Does being respectful of your opponents mean calling them "jackass" and "asshole"? When, precisely, has Coach Hauck said anything that approaches the level of insults thrown at him by 'Cat fans in this thread? Can you think of any other coach your fans have insulted in this manner? This is "respect"? Why do you expect Coach Hauck to act in a manner that you and your fellow 'Cat fans can't seem to rise to? Before last year's game, the Daily Interlake reported Coach Hauck stated the following: “UM coach Bobby Hauck was confident the Bobcats would get their defense together for today's game. ‘They've got a good defense and they'll play well against us,’ he said. ‘They've got a good team and we need to play well.’” What do you folks need to feel good about yourselves or your team? What is wrong with you? Can you answer that without a bunch of juvenile comments upon a successful Montana coach who has complimented your team?

info197176 · Post by **info197176** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:59 pm

W

hy are you even on this message board in the first place?

For the same reason you're over on egriz...

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:00 pm

What is wrong with you? Can you answer that without a bunch of juvenile comments upon a successful Montana coach who has complimented your team?

That questions has been answered multiple time on this thread already. Apparently your head to too thick to comprehend what people are saying. Were you and BearBAC in the same reading comprehension class at dUMb?

mquast53000 · Post by **mquast53000** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:09 pm

Hey Gfgriz & all you other griz posters,

There is a significant difference in the actions and comments made by fans versus a head coach. You can not use that old saying that “to be respected you must show respect.” That is not how COLLEGE sports work. The fans can be obnoxious, but a coach cannot! EVERY coach knows that. Bobby should always show respect to ALL of Montana’s communities- including BOZEMAN. When he can not follow suitable social norms, then he will be labeled a misfit. Bobby has done this to himself. You never have heard Bobcat fans slam Glenn because Glenn knew what was acceptable and expected from him. He did not push the boundaries like Bobby constantly does. Bobby is a grown man and he will be held accountable for his actions.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:10 pm

info197176 wrote:
For the same reason you're over on egriz...

First off, I didn't ask you. Are you going to talk for GFGriz now?
Secondly, I'm on egriz because I like to chat with griz fans about griz football, though most of the time I just end up defending the Cats. I'm not making the claim that griz fans are obsessed with Cat fans, then posting 3 times a day in the same thread on egriz, making myself out to be a hypocrite.

To GFGriz - I don't know how to make my point any clearer. We don't like Hauck. GET OVER IT. Stop being Haucks babysitter trying to defend him. Call us classless, jerks, what have you - griz fans have been doing it for a long time, don't think you are bringing any brand new insight into the world of Bobcatnation. If you can't hate your bitter rival, then who can you hate? I know you think Hauck should be allowed to say "F*** the Cats" on national television, but we disagree. I know you think Hauck should be able to throw a chair against the wall everytime the words "Cats" or "Montana State U" are spoken, but we disagree.

I'm glad you have never disliked anything or anyone in the MSU program. Grats.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:11 pm

mquast53000 wrote:Hey Gfgriz & all you other griz posters,

There is a significant difference in the actions and comments made by fans versus a head coach. You can not use that old saying that “to be respected you must show respect.” That is not how COLLEGE sports work. The fans can be obnoxious, but a coach cannot! EVERY coach knows that. Bobby should always show respect to ALL of Montana’s communities- including BOZEMAN. When he can not follow suitable social norms, then he will be labeled a misfit. Bobby has done this to himself. You never have heard Bobcat fans slam Glenn because Glenn knew what was acceptable and expected from him. He did not push the boundaries like Bobby constantly does. Bobby is a grown man and he will be held accountable for his actions.

GFGriz refuses to listen to this logic, you just wasted your time, sorry Quast.

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:13 pm

Your post is just another example of the mindless, irrational hatred that has consumed the 'Cats for years. Maybe worse, in it's own pathetic way.[

Unbelievable. I said nothing, NOTHING, that demonstrates what idiotic, asinine conjecture you have mentioned above. It's good to see you are polishing up on your GRE preparation though.

Earlier 'Cat posts accused Coach Hauck of being "immature" yet you resort to calling him "Beavis". Just another example of 'Cat maturity, eh? Or is that what you refer to as "class"?

I do call him Beavis, so what. Kleenex is available for your continued whining. Last time I checked, idiot, you don't see any of us MSU fans touting how classy or refined we are. You're the one who seems to be trying to go out of your way to demonstrate how proper, classy, and grammatically proper you are. Your attempts at trying to set a template of what is classy or what isn't is truly laughable in itself.

While I've been asking for specfic examples of Coach Hauck "despising" everything connected to MSU, all you can come up with is that he was "in bed with Slick Rick Neuheisel." He was an assistant coach in that program, for God's sake. If guilt by association is your speed, I have two words: Joe O'Brien. The rest of your post is just a slimy collection of insults. Where's the beef? You folks have virtually dedicated this thread to proving that you have no concept of the term "class".

Specific examples? Why don't you actually research the damn history. Much of it started with his damn "State" comment and his cry baby fit he threw when the Cats embarrassed him and his team in Missoula a couple years back (yes, before jizz fans go on the disagreement there, the score wasn't indicative of it, but the game on the field was). No matter how you spin it, his hatred of the Cats seems to have been ingrained in him since he could walk. Losing to the Cats his first year as coach would understandably evoke the reaction he did. If a losing streak ever rears its head in grizville, you'll really see Beavis' true colors. Trust me, I watched him at UW where I did learn a little testament to his temperment and demeanor when some losses come into play. I made the analogy to Slick Rick because it's true. They are a lot like each other. You've seen what Slick did at CU and the UW. Lucky for dUMb, Hauck actually has a vested, family interest in Missoula.

While nearly demanding that Coach Hauck complment you, and give you respect, you fill post after post with name-calling and obscenity, all directed toward a coach who has taken his team to the National Championship, and who has acted with honor, composure, grace and humor.

You see, you're a clear example of a griz fan who thinks he's one of the players himself. MSU fans aren't looking for Hauck to compliment us. He was too much of a g-damn baby to acknowledge the team that beat him, the Cats. That's what irritates Cat fans. If you can't see that (and you likely can't), then you should just STFU and leave this thread.

You act insulted when a journalist interviews the guy face to face (something I doubt you have ever done), and found him to be a good guy, notwithstanding the fiction that pass for fact in the Gallatin valley. 'Cat fans on this thread, yourself included, wouldn't know "class" if they tripped on it.

Context has eluded you once again. If you haven't figured it out by now, the initiators of this thread were disappointed in Welsch's lack of balls in that he didn't directly address or ask questions regarding Hauck's past comments (State, no respect or grace when he did lose to the Cats, e.g.)

They'd just holler "Asshole" and move on. Who the heck would care whethere the likes of you think that Coach Hauck has class.

Obviously you care, you're posting quite feverishly about it. You're the one who has made a "litany" (nice word earlier, by the way) of posts whining about our continued dislike of Beavis. By all means, if you don't like it, you know what to do.

You have to have class to be able to spot it, and you don't have it.

This is rich. You, of all people, trying to tell others they don't have class. What a complete joke. With that statement, you should default yourself now and exit from this thread. [/quote]

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:19 pm

Good to see you back posting, lifeloyal. I just gave up the verbal sparing with this fool - I think we've all proven our point, and he just continues to prove that he is too thick to get it. I just laugh at his ridiculous attempts at psychoanalysis, and move on. Life is too short to waste time on idiots like him.

info197176 · Post by **info197176** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:21 pm

Specific examples? Why don't you actually research the damn history. Much of it started with his damn "State" comment and his cry baby fit he threw when the Cats embarrassed him and his team in Missoula a couple years back (yes, before jizz fans go on the disagreement there, the score wasn't indicative of it, but the game on the field was

Wrong coach caoch son..the loss in Missoula was under Glenn not Hauck...but don't let the facts get in your way..

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:21 pm

golfer wrote:Did you guys also hate your crosstown middle school coaches

Nope, I waited until high school for that... and I still hate CMR (although I have nothing but respect for Coach Johnson).

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:22 pm

info197176 wrote:Specific examples? Why don't you actually research the damn history. Much of it started with his damn "State" comment and his cry baby fit he threw when the Cats embarrassed him and his team in Missoula a couple years back (yes, before jizz fans go on the disagreement there, the score wasn't indicative of it, but the game on the field was

Wrong coach caoch son..the loss in Missoula was under Glenn not Hauck...but don't let the facts get in your way..

You're right, I stand corrected. I got the year wrong in a big way. My timeframe being off, it was actually the following year in Bozeman. Don't let that fact get in your way.

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:24 pm

golfer wrote:Did you guys also hate your crosstown middle school coaches

Unless you live or lived in one of the bigger "cities" in Montana, a crosstown middle school didn't exist.

Any Montanan should know that. It was always common for this Shelby native to hate anything and all that Cut Bank and Conrad represented.

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:31 pm

BozoneCat wrote:Good to see you back posting, lifeloyal. I just gave up the verbal sparing with this fool - I think we've all proven our point, and he just continues to prove that he is too thick to get it. I just laugh at his ridiculous attempts at psychoanalysis, and move on. Life is too short to waste time on idiots like him.

Thanks for the welcome back Bozone. I'm getting antsy for the upcoming college football season.

Come on, it's always fun to have message board posters try to tell others they lack class because they clearly are the source and be-all, say-all of class!

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:41 pm

One thing that I have noticed about many of the stories about Hauck is that I often have bad trouble finding good documenation to support them, and from browsing the thread above (very lightly), it appears that we are running into the same issue. Stories get repeated about his classlessness, but we don't have the documentation to support them.

Can somebody post a collection article or clips from articles that quote Hauck making classless statements? If we have them all in one place, at least then there is a starting point for a discussion as to his character and behavior as a head coach (and it would be a great resource to refer to for everybody going forward). It seems like it would be nice to sort the hearsay from the hard facts, which will probably cut the Cat v. Griz name-calling down by a huge factor in the process.

As it is, it appears we mostly just have two groups of people yelling at each other over whether something was said or not, or whether a guy is classy or unclassy, and that's never going to solve much.