Nobody wants Bobby

[HelenaCat95]

Since all of them spent a weekend in Missoula, that was enough time for all of them to get a degree.

[Grizlaw]

You all get an "F", except Grizlaw who gets and "F-" for using false information to try to prove a point w/o doing the proper research into this poor formula. Any attorney should know better.

The day I start doing "research" to participate in a discussion like this one will probably be around the same time I start worrying about criticism of my legal skills from people with names like "crazycat."

[GOKATS]

Since all of them spent a weekend in Missoula, that was enough time for all of them to get a degree.

A full weekend? Hell that's good for at least a Masters if not a PHD! You can get a degree at dUMb by driving slowly past Missoula on I-90.

[crazycat]

You all get an "F", except Grizlaw who gets and "F-" for using false information to try to prove a point w/o doing the proper research into this poor formula. Any attorney should know better.

The day I start doing "research" to participate in a discussion like this one will probably be around the same time I start worrying about criticism of my legal skills from people with names like "crazycat."

If you're not worried, then why are you responding. You were so proud of that post, but I pointed out its weaknesses and gave it a grade for fun and you get all jerky? No, you're not worried.

[GrizinWashington]

Mmmmm....JERKY! Yum.

[Grizlaw]

You all get an "F", except Grizlaw who gets and "F-" for using false information to try to prove a point w/o doing the proper research into this poor formula. Any attorney should know better.

The day I start doing "research" to participate in a discussion like this one will probably be around the same time I start worrying about criticism of my legal skills from people with names like "crazycat."

If you're not worried, then why are you responding. You were so proud of that post, but I pointed out its weaknesses and gave it a grade for fun and you get all jerky? No, you're not worried.

Oh this is just getting better and better.

First of all -- "AHA! YOU RESPONDED!! YOU CARE!!!" was a very clever response to an internet posting back in 1988, the first time it was used on an internet message board. Since that time, each of the 914,397,273 times it has been used, it has lost a little more of its luster, and at this point, I think it's fair to say that it has gone the way of "Liar, liar, pants on fire!" and "I'm rubber, you're glue, etc."

Second of all, where did I say I was "so proud of" anything in this thread?

And finally -- what "weaknesses" did you point out in my post, exactly? Ignoring that my post was primarily for entertainment value -- you pointed out the fact that the same people probably went to more than one Cat and Griz game this year. Well congratulations, that's a brilliant point. Now -- please, if you wouldn't mind telling me -- where exactly does that get us in terms of this discussion?

The discussion that was going on here was a comparison of attendance at Griz games vs. Cat games. We agree that both schools' attendance numbers consist of many of the same people going to every game. So what does that mean, exactly? Does it mean that UM's attendance is twice as large as MSU's? Does it mean it isn't? Does it mean that, by some twisted bit of logic (that I'm sure would make perfect sense in Crazycatland), MSU actually has twice as many people at its games as UM? Or does it mean something else?

You seem to think you've scored some sort of major "victory" in this discussion, but honestly, I'm not seeing what your point is. Assuming you have one, perhaps you'd be so kind as to explain it to the rest of us?

[HassFan]

How many people drive across Montana for a Grizzly weekend??? 182,396 in 2007

When has your famous WGS held 182,396 in "a" weekend.

Name the game and date that you have had that many people in "a" weekend.

"a" is singular not plural,

evidently reading comprehension is not taught at um either.

I can't believe I'm jumping in to this moronic debate, but I'm going to anyway.

Let me try to illustrate this point for you by analogy, Cat:

Suppose I fly to California next weekend to go to Disneyland.

Suppose further that ECG flies to California the weekend after I am there.

Suppose Billings Griz flies to California the weekend after that.

And suppose you fly to California the weekend after that.

Now -- after all of these trips to California happen, which of the following statements would most accurately describe the number of people in this conversation who have been to California for a weekend this year:

(a) Four of us have gone to California for a weekend;
(b) Only one of us has been to California for a weekend (because we weren't all there on the same weekend);
(c) Three of us have been to California for a weekend (because the reader went to UM, which doesn't have a math requirement), or
(d) Two of us have been to California for a weekend (because the reader went to MSU, which doesn't have any requirement that its graduates be capable of reading or logical thinking).

With this logic, am I to understand that none of the 182,396 were repeat visitors ? - This tells me that you have to come back and compare on a game by game basis, (so that you are not stuffing your ballot box with multiple visits. - oops, that's getting political now.)

[crazycat]

You all get an "F", except Grizlaw who gets and "F-" for using false information to try to prove a point w/o doing the proper research into this poor formula. Any attorney should know better.

The day I start doing "research" to participate in a discussion like this one will probably be around the same time I start worrying about criticism of my legal skills from people with names like "crazycat."

If you're not worried, then why are you responding. You were so proud of that post, but I pointed out its weaknesses and gave it a grade for fun and you get all jerky? No, you're not worried.

Oh this is just getting better and better.

First of all -- "AHA! YOU RESPONDED!! YOU CARE!!!" was a very clever response to an internet posting back in 1988, the first time it was used on an internet message board. Since that time, each of the 914,397,273 times it has been used, it has lost a little more of its luster, and at this point, I think it's fair to say that it has gone the way of "Liar, liar, pants on fire!" and "I'm rubber, you're glue, etc."

Second of all, where did I say I was "so proud of" anything in this thread?

And finally -- what "weaknesses" did you point out in my post, exactly? Ignoring that my post was primarily for entertainment value -- you pointed out the fact that the same people probably went to more than one Cat and Griz game this year. Well congratulations, that's a brilliant point. Now -- please, if you wouldn't mind telling me -- where exactly does that get us in terms of this discussion?

The discussion that was going on here was a comparison of attendance at Griz games vs. Cat games. We agree that both schools' attendance numbers consist of many of the same people going to every game. So what does that mean, exactly? Does it mean that UM's attendance is twice as large as MSU's? Does it mean it isn't? Does it mean that, by some twisted bit of logic (that I'm sure would make perfect sense in Crazycatland), MSU actually has twice as many people at its games as UM? Or does it mean something else?

You seem to think you've scored some sort of major "victory" in this discussion, but honestly, I'm not seeing what your point is. Assuming you have one, perhaps you'd be so kind as to explain it to the rest of us?

Yes, yes, you've already pointed out how all this is so beneath you anyway.

That you're asking these questions tells me you won't understand the answers or that you didn't read my post. You get another "F-" for that comeback.

[GrizinWashington]

Crazycatland

Does Crazycatland have its own airport?

[Grizlaw]

That you're asking these questions tells me you won't understand the answers or that you didn't read my post. You get another "F-" for that comeback.

Nice tap-out.

Good day to you, sir.

[crazycat]

That you're asking these questions tells me you won't understand the answers or that you didn't read my post. You get another "F-" for that comeback.

Nice tap-out.

Good day to you, sir.

Likewise.

[Au Blue]

Crazycatland

Does Crazycatland have its own airport?

I believe so... if I'm not mistaken I think the airport code is FTG

[crazycat]

Crazycatland

Does Crazycatland have its own airport?

I believe so... if I'm not mistaken I think the airport code is FTG

I owe ya one Au Blue!

[GrizinWashington]

Crazycatland

Does Crazycatland have its own airport?

I believe so... if I'm not mistaken I think the airport code is FTG

That was pretty good!

[crazycat]

Get off the runway!

The comment/questions as I see them are: How many people drive across Montana for a fizzly weekend? Is it twice as many as a Cat weekend?

Someone responded by giving the total attendance figures for each school for the season. That isn’t a response to the question. First, I think it’s safe to say that driving across Montana doesn’t include the people within close proximity of Missoula or Bozeman, so you’d have to throw those numbers out. Second, the total attendance numbers include some people more than once on both sides. Average attendance or the attendance at any given game would eliminate counting the same person twice.

Per the question we’re looking for how many people drive across Montana to go to a Griz game and we’re checking to see if that’s twice as many as drive across Montana to go to a Cat game.

Whether you make one trip or five trips for this purpose, you’re still only one person that drives across Montana for this purpose. Again the total attendance numbers don’t apply since they are counting someone twice. The average per game numbers or attendance on a given would be more reflective.

In 2007, UM averaged 22,800 while MSU averaged 14,245. We can see by looking that UM does not have twice as many people at its game as MSU. But that still doesn’t necessarily mean that twice as many people didn’t drive to Missoula as compared to Bozeman.

Something else we can look at is the population base around Missoula and Bozeman vicinities. Missoula’s population is estimated to be 64,081, while Bozeman’s is at 35,061. Bozeman has about 55% of the population of Missoula, but MSU draws 62.5% of the UM attendance per game. Still this doesn’t mean that UM doesn’t have twice as many traveling in from across the state.

If 50% of the fans at each school’s games are from that city’s vicinity, then UM would have 11,400 fans traveling in for games, while MSU would have 7,122.5 traveling. If MSU’s truly is 50%, them for UM to have twice as many fans traveling in for games it would need to have 14,245 traveling in. That would be 62.5% of the fans coming from out of town. That percentage slides around as MSU’s move away from 50%.

To truly know for sure UM and MSU would need to track who comes from out of town and who doesn’t. But the total attendance numbers mean nothing in terms of the question asked.

The point being is that total attendence figures don’t answer the question about whether or not UM has twice as many people traveling across state to its games as MSU. It just says that they sold twice as many tickets. But it took them two more games to do this.

[John K]

Boy how times change... Seems just a few short years ago Griz fans weren't so concerned with the Cat/Griz game because they were always playing in the post season, deep into the post season as it was always refered. Now with the last 2 seasons ending in the shallow post season seems the conf. record and Cat/Griz outcome are more talking points than they used to be. Hmmmmm

I'll beat the Griz posters to the punch and just say that UM went deep into the playoffs in 2006 reaching the semis. I figure you'd rather hear from me than them.

I think the eye-popping and most telling stat about UM is that they are 2-4 against teams from the SoCon, CAA and Gateway in the playoffs under Buh-bay. Both wins were at home, three losses were at home and the other loss was at a neutral site. So you play five home games, no road games and one game at a neutral site and go 2-4. That's where UM is slipping. They can no longer keep up with the teams in the big conferences.

Glenn was 4-1 against teams from those conferences in the playoffs. He won three of the four at home and split the other two on neutral fields. This is what a good coach does...win home playoff games.

Glenn was 7-0 overall in home playoff games in three years. Buh-bay is just 5-4 in five years. His '04 playoff run really saves him. Without it he's just 2-4 at home. That was the year all the top seeds kept getting knocked off right in front of UM and they didn't have to take to the road and play on someone else's home field...an almost sure loser for UM.

This is the difference in Griz football today vs. yesteryear. They no longer have the ability to beat the good teams with consistency even at home.

This is trivial, but Buh-bay has never coached a game on someone's elses home field in the playoffs. His only game away from W-G was the '04 title game, which was a neutral site. Since 1998 UM has only played one road game in the playoffs. Nine years, 17 games at home, one on the road, three at neutral sites. 12-8.

To summarize....in 17 years under Read, Dennehy, and Glenn....UM was 17-2 at home in playoffs. In 5 years under the immortal Bobby H....UM is 5-4 at home in playoffs. They used to be virtually unbeatable at home in the post-season, but now....not so much. Although, to be fair, the entire BSC is not nearly as strong as it was "back in the day" when BSU, UI, and UNR will still in the league.

[John K]

One more comment on this....UM has NEVER won a true road game in the playoffs. Their only wins away from "the friendly confines" were the neutral-site NC games in 1995 and 2001. If not even Read or Glenn were able to accomplish such a feat....what do you think are the odds that Bobby H. will pull this off in his lifetime????

[Eastcoastgriz]

One more comment on this....UM has NEVER won a true road game in the playoffs. Their only wins away from "the friendly confines" were the neutral-site NC games in 1995 and 2001. If not even Read or Glenn were able to accomplish such a feat....what do you think are the odds that Bobby H. will pull this off in his lifetime????

I don't know how who could consider the home field of the other team as a nutural site.

[Hell's Bells]

One more comment on this....UM has NEVER won a true road game in the playoffs. Their only wins away from "the friendly confines" were the neutral-site NC games in 1995 and 2001. If not even Read or Glenn were able to accomplish such a feat....what do you think are the odds that Bobby H. will pull this off in his lifetime????

I don't know how who could consider the home field of the other team as a nutural site.

yeah that was what i was thinking. wasn't the 1995 nc at Marshall's home field?

[GrizinWashington]

One more comment on this....UM has NEVER won a true road game in the playoffs. Their only wins away from "the friendly confines" were the neutral-site NC games in 1995 and 2001. If not even Read or Glenn were able to accomplish such a feat....what do you think are the odds that Bobby H. will pull this off in his lifetime????

Montana won AT Marshall in 1995. If you think that's a "neutral" game, I suggest we play the 2009 Brawl at Washington-Grizzly Stadium and call it the "State Championship" played on a neutral field. What say you?? Sound like a good idea?? Didn't think so. Why? CAUSE IT AIN'T NEUTRAL.

And how many road games have the cats won in the playoffs?

And as far as Bobby's chances, I'd say they are as good as anyone's in the country with the possible exception of App State. I doubt many knowledgable FCS fans would disagree with me.