Team bashing.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:25 pm

Thought it's time to run a poll about our Cat fans as this week will demonstrate how loyal to the institution and our team the fan base actually is. Now's when we wear our school colors, not when the team is on a roll.

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:32 pm

Cat Grad wrote:Thought it's time to run a poll about our Cat fans as this week will demonstrate how loyal to the institution and our team the fan base actually is. Now's when we wear our school colors, not when the team is on a roll.

But I didn't see Alpha or Nick on the list.

Their dialogue on another thread is scintillating.

Edit: After reflection, I've changed my mind. I'm not a fan of calling out individual players, and I should be consistent and not like calling out individual posters either.
I apologize if I've offended anyone.

Now...the Alpha vs Nick thing on other threads has got to stop. It's getting embarrassing to both of them.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:37 pm

HelenaCat95 wrote:
Cat Grad wrote:Thought it's time to run a poll about our Cat fans as this week will demonstrate how loyal to the institution and our team the fan base actually is. Now's when we wear our school colors, not when the team is on a roll.

But I didn't see Alpha or Nick on the list.

Their dialogue on another thread is scintillating.

For the most part, my ignore button works. I only respond when I'm showing somebody what Skinner meant by conditioned response with certain personality profiles in an internet chatroom. nicky and fizzinwa are highly predictable; i.e., if--->then logic (should I preface that with il...)

MSU Toddler · Post by **MSU Toddler** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:47 pm

i think i figured out the problem this week: for the first time this year, i wore i hat a bought last year prior to chadron and put away after eastern - shouldn't have worn it.

will be out of state this week, but will be sporting other MSU gear. the hat is going back in the closet (insert joke here). if Cats win - it will be burned.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:52 pm

MSU Toddler wrote:i think i figured out the problem this week: for the first time this year, i wore i hat a bought last year prior to chadron and put away after eastern - shouldn't have worn it.

will be out of state this week, but will be sporting other MSU gear. the hat is going back in the closet (insert joke here). if Cats win - it will be burned.

Well, there you go! Two weeks ago, somebody I hadn't seen before tried to get my wife and kids out of our lucky seats. I told them to go sit in somebody else's seats. Got to have that routine

CodyCat · Post by **CodyCat** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:09 pm

I have worn Blue and Gold through god knows how many arrests, a coaching change, and many heart breaking loses. A loss to Eastern isnt going to change my apparel for this week or any week to come!!!!!

Go Cats!!!!!

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:32 pm

I personally don't believe in singling out anyone on this board. This is BobcatNation and I respect all views on this board. We had a bad 2nd half, there are lots of issues (that we will discuss this week), but I am not in for singling people out on this board.

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:50 pm

There isn't a loyalty issue on trial here...it's merely looking at the obvious and reporting what you see. I think the Cats played as hard as they can against Eastern....but Eastern needed it and wanted it more...and they had the horses to make what they needed come through.

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:57 pm

I didn't vote since there wasn't a "none of the above" option.

Those guys are bad fans IMO.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:39 pm

AlphaGriz1 wrote:I didn't vote since there wasn't a "none of the above" option.

Those guys are bad fans IMO.

I had that option, but when it posted, it didn't post. I guess all I'm saying is I'm getting tired of fans, writers, etc. calling kids out it public.

Perhaps it helped when my little man called me out for cussing during a game

It's really easy to forget what it's like when you're not on the sideline any longer.

John K · Post by **John K** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:15 pm

I wore an MSU sweatshirt today, as a matter of fact. I hope and pray, at least as much as anyone else in here, for success for MSU. I had several friends call me after the 2002 game, when we broke "the streak", who said that I was the first person they thought of after the Cats won, because (their words, not mine) I was the biggest Cat fan that they knew. My closet is filled with MSU gear, I have MSU plates on my car, I have traveled to 3 road games the past 2 years, as well as NEVER missing a home game. Frankly, I resent anyone calling my Bobcat loyalty into question, because anyone who really knows me in person, other than on an internet message board, would NEVER do so. I am simply "telling it the way I see it", and maybe most of you disagree with me, but I am extremely disappointed in how things have gone so far this season, and I just don't feel that it does any good to "sugarcoat" things, and try to kid ourselves about the situation. Maybe we will play much better the final 5 games....maybe we won't, but I just thought that we would be much better this season than what he have shown so far. I also feel Bailey/Kramer took so much abuse from fans for "unimaginative" play calling and "vanilla" offensive schemes, but at least in my view, our offense has not performed any better this season than last, at least so far.

Weltercat · Post by **Weltercat** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:16 pm

AlphaGriz1 wrote:I didn't vote since there wasn't a "none of the above" option.

Those guys are bad fans IMO.

Alpha
Your calling these guys bad fans?

You are a Griz fan right?

Are you not hoping that a 6-0 UM starts loosing so the coach will get fired and they will hire someone who'll win? I am a logical guy by nature and education but that seems illogical.

Is it because your a griz fan or do you just like to tell people "I told you so?"

John K · Post by **John K** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:53 pm

One more thing....I am sure you don't remember this, but when AG referred to MSU as an "average" program several months ago in here, I took great exception to that, and debated this with him at great length. I replied that over the past 5-6 years, we were in fact the 2nd best program in the BSC, and provided several stats to back that up. I probably defended our honor against AG's comments more vigorously than anyone else in BN. I am as loyal to the Cats as you or anyone else, but I am also realistic about our performance to date in 2007. I know that we have the potential to play much better for the balance of this season, but "having" potential and "reaching" your potential are two very different things.

I would be more optomistic if I felt that we had improved since the beginning of the season, when in reality, we have probably regressed, especially in certain areas such as the OL. Set aside the fact that we beat SUU by only 4 points, after we had all ridiculed the Griz for beating them by "only" 20. What really disturbed me about that game is that we let a team that was (or at least should be) clearly inferior to us, on our home field, march right down the field on that final drive. We didn't even slow them down, and they should have scored the winning TD, if not for a TERRIBLE throw by their QB, that their receiver had no chance to catch. That was when I came to the realization that maybe even our defense was not as good as everyone thought it was, because there is no way that we should have let a team like SUU move the ball that easily on a potential game-winning drive.

I know we had that horrific 3 game losing streak last season as well, but by game #6 last year, we had already turned the corner, having beaten a good NAU team on the road, and then dominating an even better PSU team the next week at home. Game #6 this year, by contrast, was our worst performance yet. I just wonder how many more weeks we will be saying "just wait until next week....I think the offense is just about ready to explode"? I was called on the carpet for referring to our 4-1 record being built upon a "cupcake" schedule, but let's review. Dixie....nuff said, WSU....perhaps slightly better than expected, but they are not a legitimate BSC title contender, ISU....clearly the 2nd worst team in the BSC, SUU....a team that had not come within 20 of anyone, until they played us. To be fair, I did see that they lost to YSU by only 1 yesterday, so they do seem to be improving, but they certainly would not finish higher than anyone in the BSC, except UNC and maybe ISU.

The Butcher · Post by **The Butcher** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:55 pm

Cat Grad wrote:Thought it's time to run a poll about our Cat fans as this week will demonstrate how loyal to the institution and our team the fan base actually is. Now's when we wear our school colors, not when the team is on a roll.

You are a joke. I actually played for the Cats... Three year starter, four year letter winner and five year scholarshiped player. I saw the good and the bad. I played in front of a full house and an empty one, and during those lean years I am sure you had no problem finding an excuse to stay at home. I believe I am much more objective about the Cats than most on this site, and I have no qualms sharing my observations about our team. I didn't realize that if I wrote something perceived to be negative I would suddenly become a bandwagon or non-fan. You are the type of poster that challenges the purpose of sites like bobcatnation. This site was created to share thoughts, opinions, etc that are sometimes the same and sometimes different among fans. You have used your ability to post on this site to mute those that do not share your same opinions, and try to rally others around you to carry out your witch-hunt. This thread has one purpose- to make those that do not agree with you uncomfortable and have them quit posting their opinions. You are using this thread to silence those that do not share your opinions, and that sure the hell isn’t cool with me. If the moderators choose to implement a policy that does not allow any negative feedback about the Cats then so be it, but until then your attempts to format bobcatnation into a site that only express opinions you agree will surely meet resistance and I will be one of the first to call you out.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:56 pm

John K wrote:I also feel Bailey/Kramer took so much abuse from fans for "unimaginative" play calling and "vanilla" offensive schemes, but at least in my view, our offense has not performed any better this season than last, at least so far.

So, just to clarify your comments ... if Kramer was still the coach and the team was in the exact same position as it is right now, would you be as proactive in your voicing of concerns about the team as you are now?

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:00 am

And to speak to this thread as a whole ... I considered moving this to smack when I first read it. We really don't need to be cluttering up the main board with direct shots at individual posters. (Almost) everybody is more than welcome to voice whatever sincere opinions they hold, and we don't need to call people out for that outside of challenging people's specific statements (and allowing them to challenge our statements).

But it appeared that most people were responding with humor as opposed to piling on, so I let it go (and I was kind of busy with other things).

But just as fair warning for the future, let's put this sort of thing on the smack board. We've seen other boards (and other things) get a bit tainted by a "with us or against us" mentality, and we'd like to avoid that. As long as people aren't just saying things to be a pain in the arse, we owe it to them to respect their abilities to articulate and defend those opinions.

John K · Post by **John K** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:12 am

Bay Area Cat wrote:
John K wrote:I also feel Bailey/Kramer took so much abuse from fans for "unimaginative" play calling and "vanilla" offensive schemes, but at least in my view, our offense has not performed any better this season than last, at least so far.
So, just to clarify your comments ... if Kramer was still the coach and the team was in the exact same position as it is right now, would you be as proactive in your voicing of concerns about the team as you are now?

No...because despite the early season stumbles that we often had under Kramer, by this point in the season (game #6) we had always gotten it turned around already. Please refer to my earlier comment about the NAU/PSU games last year. I gritted my teeth as much as anyone when we stumbled out of the gate so often during Kramer's tenure, but I always tried to be patient, because we ALWAYS turned it around, BEFORE the halfway point of the season. Ash may get them turned around for the final 5 games this year as well, but we are now to a point in the season where it better happen sooner rather than later....like THIS week against Sac, which seems to be much improved over the past couple of years, and is by no means a "gimme", even at home.

nativecat · Post by **nativecat** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:16 am

I wear my MSU hat to work each and every day. A loss isnt going to change that, shoot i even wore my MSU gear in the 80's and 90's.

I geuss I made this poll because of my posts after the game. I was upset and said what I felt. Geuss Im just suprised I am in this poll and being questioned about my loyalty?

Cats Back · Post by **Cats Back** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:36 am

I guess many view my posts as being too negative and maybe that is correct. We are a program in transition, again, with new coaches etc. It appears the transition is happening in this part of the season and it may very well get ugly. My point has been that there does not appear to be any sort of positive momentum and we are just now getting into games with the better teams.
I think Coach Ash is a great choice and in time he will do very well for us but we need to be patient and let Rob and his staff do their jobs regardless of the outcome. So many of our fans were obsessed with ending the streak that it was win at any cost and look how it impacted our athletic program and the community.
If EWU was a litmus test then we did not fare well. It only confirmed what the SUU game showed. I guess I will limit my posts if they are so negative and enjoy the rest of the season. Hope everyone else enjoys it as well.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:27 am

John K wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:
John K wrote:I also feel Bailey/Kramer took so much abuse from fans for "unimaginative" play calling and "vanilla" offensive schemes, but at least in my view, our offense has not performed any better this season than last, at least so far.
So, just to clarify your comments ... if Kramer was still the coach and the team was in the exact same position as it is right now, would you be as proactive in your voicing of concerns about the team as you are now?
No...because despite the early season stumbles that we often had under Kramer, by this point in the season (game #6) we had always gotten it turned around already. Please refer to my earlier comment about the NAU/PSU games last year. I gritted my teeth as much as anyone when we stumbled out of the gate so often during Kramer's tenure, but I always tried to be patient, because we ALWAYS turned it around, BEFORE the halfway point of the season. Ash may get them turned around for the final 5 games this year as well, but we are now to a point in the season where it better happen sooner rather than later....like THIS week against Sac, which seems to be much improved over the past couple of years, and is by no means a "gimme", even at home.

So because the team hasn't already imploded this season and lost games it should have won in embarassing fashion, you are more concerned as opposed to the scenario that the team is 4-2 at this point in the season?

You seem to be manufacturing quite an elaborate theory under which to favorably compare Kramer/Bailey to Ash. I'm not really sure the situations are apples to apples comparisons.

Team bashing.

Which of these MSU fans will wear their MSU Gear to work and school this week?

Team bashing.

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Would if I could, dress code violation to do so.