Griz better at basketball and better at volunteering

[Eastcoastgriz]

Ranking places UM in top 10 for Peace Corps volunteers
By DONNA SYVERTSON of the Missoulian



The University of Montana has retained its top-10 ranking for medium-sized institutions that produce volunteers for the Peace Corps.

With 39 alumni volunteers, UM ranked ninth nationally among colleges with undergraduate enrollments between 5,001 and 15,000. Last year, UM was ranked 10th.

UM's students in forestry, biology, environmental studies and sociology have the type of backgrounds the Peace Corps is looking for, said Rita Munzenrider, the school's director of University Relations.


The high ranking also may reflect the university's mission to graduate citizens who are volunteers in general, she added.

“We have a lot of older alums in the Peace Corps. It's weird,” she said. “We're on a list with a lot of Ivy League schools. For a public institution, you wouldn't expect that sort of thing.”

University of Virginia topped the list of medium-sized colleges and universities with 80 volunteers. The other top nine schools are James Madison University, Georgetown University, Western Washington University, George Washington University, Cornell University, University of California-Santa Cruz, University of Pennsylvania and College of William and Mary.

Montana State University, the University of Idaho and Brown University were tied at 13, with 31 volunteers each.

An advertisement bearing the Peace Corps symbol in Friday's issue of the UM school newspaper the Kaimin challenged students: “Learn more about the toughest job you'll ever love.” It directed readers to a meeting from noon to 1 p.m. Tuesday in University Center, Room 326.

Since the Peace Corps was founded in 1961 by President Kennedy, more than 182,000 Americans have served in it.

During its 45th anniversary year, the Peace Corps has 70 posts serving 76 countries and a 30-year high of more than 7,810 volunteers overseas.

[Grizzfan]

Big deal! I'm much prouder of the fact, that, over the same period UM (and MSU) have produced young US Army (and USAF in the past) commissioned officers for OUR Nation through the ROTC programs.

Tom

[Grizlaw]

Big deal! I'm much prouder of the fact, that, over the same period UM (and MSU) have produced young US Army (and USAF in the past) commissioned officers for OUR Nation through the ROTC programs.

Tom

I'm proud of that too, but why does that make it necessary to downplay the significance of the work done by people who choose to spend a couple years of their lives volunteering to help people in poor countries who really need it?

[briannell]

in 96 MSU produced two RA commissioned officers. This is very rare for any size school to do, even West Point had only 1 , and little MSU had 2!!!!

but I think that UM is good for tree hugging!!! you go hug trees and kiss the griz, and MSU will still kick your butts in Football this coming year!!!

GO BOBCATS!!!

[Grizzfan]

My bias is that the dividends paid to Our Country by the efforts of Peace Corps volunteers is minimal to zero. It is a program that produces, on balance, swells of liberal, hippy pride in those souls who participate, and hatred from the recipient.

GO GRIZ!

[Grizzfan]

in 96 MSU produced two RA commissioned officers. This is very rare for any size school to do, even West Point had only 1 , and little MSU had 2!!!!

I have no earthly idea what you are trying to say here. Back off the wine for a moment and restate your assertion.

BTW, the adventure continues: total sweep of the boobcats in basketball this Winter and a romp in Washington-Grizzly stadium by the GRIZ.

Bobcats not only suck, they suck canal water. And, they like it.

Tom

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

in 96 MSU produced two RA commissioned officers. This is very rare for any size school to do, even West Point had only 1 , and little MSU had 2!!!!

I have no earthly idea what you are trying to say here. Back off the wine for a moment and restate your assertion.

BTW, the adventure continues: total sweep of the boobcats in basketball this Winter and a romp in Washington-Grizzly stadium by the GRIZ.

Bobcats not only suck, they suck canal water. And, they like it.

Tom

Tsk Tsk Tsk, your Kotex pads are on aisle 4.

[Grizzfan]

Tsk Tsk Tsk, your Kotex pads are on aisle 4.

Now that's real cleaver. Your irrelevance in posting is over-shadowed only by the military genius who was rambling about West Point, MSU and the Bobcats somehow winning come November. Is that fired assistant FB coach still passing meth around to you guys? If so, take another hit.

GO GRIZ!!

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

Tsk Tsk Tsk, your Kotex pads are on aisle 4.

Now that's real cleaver. Your irrelevance in posting is over-shadowed only by the military genius who was rambling about West Point, MSU and the Bobcats somehow winning come November. Is that fired assistant FB coach still passing meth around to you guys? If so, take another hit.

GO GRIZ!!

Tommy, you're so clever! You're so quick to point out irrelevance yet you bring up the issue of meth.

Please tell me that oversight isn't indicative of your intelligence.......

[El_Gato]

So, dUMb places a high % of their *cough* graduates in the Peace Corps and that's something ecg is PROUD OF?

LMFAO.

The reason so many end up singing Kumbaya around African campfires is because it doesn't take long for them to realize that their dUMb degree is useless and they've got to do SOMETHING to get Mommy & Daddy off their backs!

[catamaran]

Isn't the Peace Corps for hippies who can't get real world jobs

[Grizlaw]

The reason so many end up singing Kumbaya around African campfires is because it doesn't take long for them to realize that their dUMb degree is useless and they've got to do SOMETHING to get Mommy & Daddy off their backs!

Riiight...I suppose you think that's why the grads from UVA, Georgetown, Cornell, Penn and Brown (other schools appearing on the list) are volunteering too? Cuz we all know grads from those schools don't have other options, right?

[G.W.Bush]

Riiight...I suppose you think that's why the grads from UVA, Georgetown, Cornell, Penn and Brown (other schools appearing on the list) are volunteering too? Cuz we all know grads from those schools don't have other options, right?

Well those other students have trust funds, so they don't have to get real jobs.

[Grizzfan]

The reason so many end up singing Kumbaya around African campfires is because it doesn't take long for them to realize that their dUMb degree is useless and they've got to do SOMETHING to get Mommy & Daddy off their backs!

I think I'm have the BIG ONE!! I actually agreed with a Bobcat about something! Well, except about the 'dUMb' degree part.

Tom

[Grizlaw]

Well those other students have trust funds, so they don't have to get real jobs.

This debate is going to get ridiculous for a number of reasons, so I'm not going to spend a lot more energy on it. Unlike (I suspect) most of the other people on this thread, I actually know quite a few people who spent time volunteering in third-world countries after college. Most of them are not from wealthy backgrounds, and most of them are working on Wall Street right now.

Let me just give you one example, just to illustrate how ridiculous your criticism of people who volunteer overseas is. A girl I dated briefly a while back (and still go out with occasionally) is an investment banker at Lehman Brothers (I assume that qualifies as a "real job," yes GW?) Her academic credentials would put most of ours to shame, she has degrees from two Ivies, and she can basically do anything she wants (career-wise) for the rest of her life. She also owes more money in student loan debt than most of you likely owe on your homes (read: she's not a trust fund baby). She is also one of the nicest, most caring, and overall best people I've ever met.

After finishing her MBA at Columbia, she surely could have gone straight to Wall Street and started her $150,000-a-year job at Lehman. Instead, she got a deferral on her student loans and decided to spend three years building homes for the poor in Uzbekistan first. Apparently, some of you think that is a reason to ridicule her; personally, I think it just proves that she is a better person than you.

--GL

[G.W.Bush]

This debate is going to get ridiculous for a number of reasons, so I'm not going to spend a lot more energy on it. Unlike (I suspect) most of the other people on this thread, I actually know quite a few people who spent time volunteering in third-world countries after college. Most of them are not from wealthy backgrounds, and most of them are working on Wall Street right now.

Let me just give you one example, just to illustrate how ridiculous your criticism of people who volunteer overseas is. A girl I dated briefly a while back (and still go out with occasionally) is an investment banker at Lehman Brothers (I assume that qualifies as a "real job," yes GW?) Her academic credentials would put most of ours to shame, she has degrees from two Ivies, and she can basically do anything she wants (career-wise) for the rest of her life. She also owes more money in student loan debt than most of you likely owe on your homes (read: she's not a trust fund baby). She is also one of the nicest, most caring, and overall best people I've ever met.

After finishing her MBA at Columbia, she surely could have gone straight to Wall Street and started her $150,000-a-year job at Lehman. Instead, she got a deferral on her student loans and decided to spend three years building homes for the poor in Uzbekistan first. Apparently, some of you think that is a reason to ridicule her; personally, I think it just proves that she is a better person than you.

--GL

Yeah, and I knew a person who drew money from their trust fund they had and never have had to work a day in their life. They decided to join the Peace Corps for the "experience." We have contradicting stories, so who's story best fits volunteers of the Peace Corps? Hmmm, it’s a real mystery.

Oh and this thread is on the smack board.

[SonomaCat]

MSU also has a lot of people that go the Peace Corps (we were ranked 13th per the article), so in terms of Cat/Griz smack ... we're both winners on this one. (Unless one is of the opinion that helping poor people and actually learning more about the world and its cultures is a bad thing ... in which case we both suck).

I have a lot of friends, relatives, etc. (none from wealthy families) that have gone that route, and each is much more successful in their lives as a result.

[Grizlaw]

Yeah, and I knew a person who drew money from their trust fund they had and never have had to work a day in their life. They decided to join the Peace Corps for the "experience." We have contradicting stories, so who's story best fits volunteers of the Peace Corps? Hmmm, it’s a real mystery.

Oh and this thread is on the smack board.

I'm not sure whose story best fits volunteers of the Peace Corps -- I know quite a few people comparable to the one I described and only one like the one you described, so that's all I have to go by.

Getting back to the person you know, though -- instead of volunteering, that person could have simply sat on his or her @ss for their entire lives and never done anything to help anyone. Isn't volunteering for the Peace Corps more admirable than simply doing nothing?

And yes, I'm well aware that this is on the smack board. Regardless of forum, though, I will always argue when people who have probably never in their lives done anything to help anyone but themselves, (which I can only assume to be true of the people on this thread, based on the level of contempt that has been shown here), go out of their way to criticize those who do choose to help others.

[WeedKillinCat]

I have a niece that is in Africa in the PC. She is not one of those with a trust fund or wealthy parents or a tree hugger. She's got a good degree and decided she needed something else with her life. After she finishes she will come back and get into her field of study. We get undates about once a month with pictures and it is amazing what she has to go through there. I know when she gets back she will be a better person.

[El_Gato]

Well those other students have trust funds, so they don't have to get real jobs.

This debate is going to get ridiculous for a number of reasons, so I'm not going to spend a lot more energy on it. Unlike (I suspect) most of the other people on this thread, I actually know quite a few people who spent time volunteering in third-world countries after college. Most of them are not from wealthy backgrounds, and most of them are working on Wall Street right now.

Let me just give you one example, just to illustrate how ridiculous your criticism of people who volunteer overseas is. A girl I dated briefly a while back (and still go out with occasionally) is an investment banker at Lehman Brothers (I assume that qualifies as a "real job," yes GW?) Her academic credentials would put most of ours to shame, she has degrees from two Ivies, and she can basically do anything she wants (career-wise) for the rest of her life. She also owes more money in student loan debt than most of you likely owe on your homes (read: she's not a trust fund baby). She is also one of the nicest, most caring, and overall best people I've ever met.

After finishing her MBA at Columbia, she surely could have gone straight to Wall Street and started her $150,000-a-year job at Lehman. Instead, she got a deferral on her student loans and decided to spend three years building homes for the poor in Uzbekistan first. Apparently, some of you think that is a reason to ridicule her; personally, I think it just proves that she is a better person than you.

--GL

So, grizlaw makes up his fantasy girl, gives her this impeccable resume, and then uses ONE example to state there are MANY people like this and "most of them work on Wall Street". Nice generalization.

And as for her or any of your fictitious examples being "a better person" than me, shove it, grizlaw. I gave up potentially hundreds of thousands of $$$ in the "Fortune 500" world so that I could raise my kids in a safe, beautiful place and so they'd grow up knowing their family. Sorry you think that it takes a job on Wall Street to achieve success in the world.