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Rich K wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:26 amBack when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.
This story is getting a lot of action on social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?Rich K wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:26 amBack when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.
I don’t know what that means. Can you clarify?
Is this what you mean by far right media?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:57 amThis story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?Rich K wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:26 amBack when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.
From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.
Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.
Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.
In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)
Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.
The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.
IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.
Is there further evidence/facts out there?
Not sure why you want to make this about me. I first saw the story on twitter from Clay Travis, MTG and Lauren Boebert (who is doing a gofundme for the itilian boxer for some reason).Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:14 pmIs this what you mean by far right media?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:57 amThis story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?Rich K wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:26 amBack when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.
From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.
Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.
Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.
In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)
Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.
The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.
IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.
Is there further evidence/facts out there?
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945
https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html
It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).
You came out of the gates with the far right media comment. Just wanted to point out that all sides have covered this topic. But it is interesting how you specifically pointed out the far right. Is that a common theme with you?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:28 pmNot sure why you want to make this about me. I first saw the story on twitter from Clay Travis, MTG and Lauren Boebert (who is doing a gofundme for the itilian boxer for some reason).Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:14 pmIs this what you mean by far right media?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:57 amThis story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?Rich K wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:26 amBack when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.
From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.
Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.
Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.
In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)
Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.
The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.
IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.
Is there further evidence/facts out there?
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945
https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html
It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).
Any commentary on the subject at hand or do you want to just keep talking about me? Personally id rather focus on the issue, but im cool either way.
Lots of people are big mad about “a man competing in a woman’s sport“ when that doesn’t seem to be the case in this instance. You seem to have a more measured approach, and I appreciate that.Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:43 pmYou came out of the gates with the far right media comment. Just wanted to point out that all sides have covered this topic. But it is interesting how you specifically pointed out the far right. Is that a common theme with you?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:28 pmNot sure why you want to make this about me. I first saw the story on twitter from Clay Travis, MTG and Lauren Boebert (who is doing a gofundme for the itilian boxer for some reason).Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:14 pmIs this what you mean by far right media?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:57 amThis story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?Rich K wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:26 amBack when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.
From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.
Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.
Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.
In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)
Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.
The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.
IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.
Is there further evidence/facts out there?
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945
https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html
It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).
Any commentary on the subject at hand or do you want to just keep talking about me? Personally id rather focus on the issue, but im cool either way.
As for the specific topic, I don’t know that this person is transgender, but there are questions around her/him’s biological identity. That makes participation in any sport with gender a question. Not Khelif’s fault, or the sports admins fault, but it is a biological question.
If Khelif is not transgender but rather a biological mystery, Khelif should sue any media or politician that called her a transgender. She has definitely been harmed by such categorizations.
Lots of people are big mad that some people don't want boys/men competing in girls/womens sports even if that may not be the case in this instance. When they open their response to a story by dishonestly framing the conversation (far-right media) it's hard to take them seriously.wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:50 pmLots of people are big mad about “a man competing in a woman’s sport“ when that doesn’t seem to be the case in this instance. You seem to have a more measured approach, and I appreciate that.Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:43 pmYou came out of the gates with the far right media comment. Just wanted to point out that all sides have covered this topic. But it is interesting how you specifically pointed out the far right. Is that a common theme with you?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:28 pmNot sure why you want to make this about me. I first saw the story on twitter from Clay Travis, MTG and Lauren Boebert (who is doing a gofundme for the itilian boxer for some reason).Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:14 pmIs this what you mean by far right media?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:57 amThis story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?Rich K wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:26 amBack when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.
From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.
Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.
Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.
In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)
Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.
The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.
IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.
Is there further evidence/facts out there?
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945
https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html
It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).
Any commentary on the subject at hand or do you want to just keep talking about me? Personally id rather focus on the issue, but im cool either way.
As for the specific topic, I don’t know that this person is transgender, but there are questions around her/him’s biological identity. That makes participation in any sport with gender a question. Not Khelif’s fault, or the sports admins fault, but it is a biological question.
If Khelif is not transgender but rather a biological mystery, Khelif should sue any media or politician that called her a transgender. She has definitely been harmed by such categorizations.
I’d still be interested in hearing @Rich K response to further facts on this topic.
I’ll edit that out of my initial response to hopefully make it easier to focus on the topic at hand.coloradocat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:17 pmLots of people are big mad that some people don't want boys/men competing in girls/womens sports even if that may not be the case in this instance. When they open their response to a story by dishonestly framing the conversation (far-right media) it's hard to take them seriously.wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:50 pmLots of people are big mad about “a man competing in a woman’s sport“ when that doesn’t seem to be the case in this instance. You seem to have a more measured approach, and I appreciate that.Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:43 pmYou came out of the gates with the far right media comment. Just wanted to point out that all sides have covered this topic. But it is interesting how you specifically pointed out the far right. Is that a common theme with you?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:28 pmNot sure why you want to make this about me. I first saw the story on twitter from Clay Travis, MTG and Lauren Boebert (who is doing a gofundme for the itilian boxer for some reason).Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:14 pmIs this what you mean by far right media?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:57 amThis story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?Rich K wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:26 amBack when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.
From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.
Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.
Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.
In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)
Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.
The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.
IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.
Is there further evidence/facts out there?
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945
https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html
It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).
Any commentary on the subject at hand or do you want to just keep talking about me? Personally id rather focus on the issue, but im cool either way.
As for the specific topic, I don’t know that this person is transgender, but there are questions around her/him’s biological identity. That makes participation in any sport with gender a question. Not Khelif’s fault, or the sports admins fault, but it is a biological question.
If Khelif is not transgender but rather a biological mystery, Khelif should sue any media or politician that called her a transgender. She has definitely been harmed by such categorizations.
I’d still be interested in hearing @Rich K response to further facts on this topic.
No need. It frames your position. Rich and Rick aren't hiding their starting point, you shouldn't either.wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:23 pmI’ll edit that out of my initial response to hopefully make it easier to focus on the topic at hand.coloradocat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:17 pmLots of people are big mad that some people don't want boys/men competing in girls/womens sports even if that may not be the case in this instance. When they open their response to a story by dishonestly framing the conversation (far-right media) it's hard to take them seriously.wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:50 pmLots of people are big mad about “a man competing in a woman’s sport“ when that doesn’t seem to be the case in this instance. You seem to have a more measured approach, and I appreciate that.Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:43 pmYou came out of the gates with the far right media comment. Just wanted to point out that all sides have covered this topic. But it is interesting how you specifically pointed out the far right. Is that a common theme with you?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:28 pmNot sure why you want to make this about me. I first saw the story on twitter from Clay Travis, MTG and Lauren Boebert (who is doing a gofundme for the itilian boxer for some reason).Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:14 pmIs this what you mean by far right media?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:57 amThis story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?Rich K wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:26 amBack when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.
From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.
Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.
Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.
In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)
Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.
The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.
IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.
Is there further evidence/facts out there?
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945
https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html
It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).
Any commentary on the subject at hand or do you want to just keep talking about me? Personally id rather focus on the issue, but im cool either way.
As for the specific topic, I don’t know that this person is transgender, but there are questions around her/him’s biological identity. That makes participation in any sport with gender a question. Not Khelif’s fault, or the sports admins fault, but it is a biological question.
If Khelif is not transgender but rather a biological mystery, Khelif should sue any media or politician that called her a transgender. She has definitely been harmed by such categorizations.
I’d still be interested in hearing @Rich K response to further facts on this topic.
Just curious, but what are your thoughts about biological males at birth getting to compete against women?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:23 pmI’ll edit that out of my initial response to hopefully make it easier to focus on the topic at hand.coloradocat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:17 pmLots of people are big mad that some people don't want boys/men competing in girls/womens sports even if that may not be the case in this instance. When they open their response to a story by dishonestly framing the conversation (far-right media) it's hard to take them seriously.wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:50 pmLots of people are big mad about “a man competing in a woman’s sport“ when that doesn’t seem to be the case in this instance. You seem to have a more measured approach, and I appreciate that.Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:43 pmYou came out of the gates with the far right media comment. Just wanted to point out that all sides have covered this topic. But it is interesting how you specifically pointed out the far right. Is that a common theme with you?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:28 pmNot sure why you want to make this about me. I first saw the story on twitter from Clay Travis, MTG and Lauren Boebert (who is doing a gofundme for the itilian boxer for some reason).Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:14 pmIs this what you mean by far right media?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:57 amThis story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?Rich K wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:26 amBack when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.
From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.
Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.
Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.
In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)
Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.
The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.
IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.
Is there further evidence/facts out there?
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945
https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html
It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).
Any commentary on the subject at hand or do you want to just keep talking about me? Personally id rather focus on the issue, but im cool either way.
As for the specific topic, I don’t know that this person is transgender, but there are questions around her/him’s biological identity. That makes participation in any sport with gender a question. Not Khelif’s fault, or the sports admins fault, but it is a biological question.
If Khelif is not transgender but rather a biological mystery, Khelif should sue any media or politician that called her a transgender. She has definitely been harmed by such categorizations.
I’d still be interested in hearing @Rich K response to further facts on this topic.
Is it okay as long as the biological man loses?Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 6:56 pmJust curious, but what are your thoughts about biological males at birth getting to compete against women?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:23 pmI’ll edit that out of my initial response to hopefully make it easier to focus on the topic at hand.coloradocat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:17 pmLots of people are big mad that some people don't want boys/men competing in girls/womens sports even if that may not be the case in this instance. When they open their response to a story by dishonestly framing the conversation (far-right media) it's hard to take them seriously.wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:50 pmLots of people are big mad about “a man competing in a woman’s sport“ when that doesn’t seem to be the case in this instance. You seem to have a more measured approach, and I appreciate that.Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:43 pmYou came out of the gates with the far right media comment. Just wanted to point out that all sides have covered this topic. But it is interesting how you specifically pointed out the far right. Is that a common theme with you?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:28 pmNot sure why you want to make this about me. I first saw the story on twitter from Clay Travis, MTG and Lauren Boebert (who is doing a gofundme for the itilian boxer for some reason).Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:14 pmIs this what you mean by far right media?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:57 amThis story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?Rich K wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:26 amBack when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.
From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.
Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.
Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.
In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)
Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.
The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.
IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.
Is there further evidence/facts out there?
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945
https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html
It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).
Any commentary on the subject at hand or do you want to just keep talking about me? Personally id rather focus on the issue, but im cool either way.
As for the specific topic, I don’t know that this person is transgender, but there are questions around her/him’s biological identity. That makes participation in any sport with gender a question. Not Khelif’s fault, or the sports admins fault, but it is a biological question.
If Khelif is not transgender but rather a biological mystery, Khelif should sue any media or politician that called her a transgender. She has definitely been harmed by such categorizations.
I’d still be interested in hearing @Rich K response to further facts on this topic.
That’s a good question. And there are a lot of “what if” scenarios, but generally I’m against it.Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 6:56 pmJust curious, but what are your thoughts about biological males at birth getting to compete against women?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:23 pmI’ll edit that out of my initial response to hopefully make it easier to focus on the topic at hand.coloradocat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:17 pmLots of people are big mad that some people don't want boys/men competing in girls/womens sports even if that may not be the case in this instance. When they open their response to a story by dishonestly framing the conversation (far-right media) it's hard to take them seriously.wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:50 pmLots of people are big mad about “a man competing in a woman’s sport“ when that doesn’t seem to be the case in this instance. You seem to have a more measured approach, and I appreciate that.Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:43 pmYou came out of the gates with the far right media comment. Just wanted to point out that all sides have covered this topic. But it is interesting how you specifically pointed out the far right. Is that a common theme with you?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:28 pmNot sure why you want to make this about me. I first saw the story on twitter from Clay Travis, MTG and Lauren Boebert (who is doing a gofundme for the itilian boxer for some reason).Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:14 pmIs this what you mean by far right media?wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:57 amThis story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?Rich K wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:26 amBack when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.
From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.
Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.
Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.
In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)
Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.
The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.
IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.
Is there further evidence/facts out there?
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945
https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html
It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).
Any commentary on the subject at hand or do you want to just keep talking about me? Personally id rather focus on the issue, but im cool either way.
As for the specific topic, I don’t know that this person is transgender, but there are questions around her/him’s biological identity. That makes participation in any sport with gender a question. Not Khelif’s fault, or the sports admins fault, but it is a biological question.
If Khelif is not transgender but rather a biological mystery, Khelif should sue any media or politician that called her a transgender. She has definitely been harmed by such categorizations.
I’d still be interested in hearing @Rich K response to further facts on this topic.