Frank Brown Arrested: Rape

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:06 pm

I understand that, but if she consented then I don't see why everyone is so sad for her and her family.

I feel sad for her but for a different reason. Having sex when your 15 by choice, hanging out with 20 year old college athletes, drinking, this girl was on the fast track to hell. Granted she could easily be taken advantage of by someone when you are only 15, but I still feel there were 2 people involved with this, not just Frank.

Like I said all this is based on the fact that she did consent. If she didn't I feel like the rest of you.

And you make it sound like I think it's okay if she was close to 16. I still think Frank should go to jail and all that, but I think we need to lay off the guy a little, IF she did consent.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:14 pm

CelticCat wrote:What I want to know is if the other couple times, besides the one where she was passed out, were consentual or not. If so, I think everyone is blowing this way out of proportion. Granted I find it sick that somebody would have sex with a 15 year old, but it is just one year away from being legal, or x amount of months. If that is the case, then all this is a little harsh on the kid.

But if she didn't consent those other times, then he definately deserves all this heat and punishment. I haven't really been able to tell from the papers if she gave him consent or not, all they said was that she was 15 and it didn't matter if she consented or not.

Under the law, a fifteen year old (especially a really drunk one) does not have the ability to consent to sex with a 20 year old.

I know what you are driving at, and whether she was willing or not at least shows whether there was a violent component to the crime. If there was not, that is certainly the better of the two cases for everybody involved.

This stuff is scary. How many high school seniors have sex with Sophomores or Freshman? In many cases, that statutory rape line would be crossed.

Brown messed up -- there seems to be no doubt about that, and this whole thing just leaves me feeling sick.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:29 pm

Yeah, what BAC said. I'm not trying to villify you, Celtic, and I hear what you are saying. What I am saying is that there is never any excuse. A 20-year-old who has a lot of things going for him can easily convince an impressionable 15-year-old girl into many things, including sex. The problem here is that he is taking advantage of her, whether she wants to have sex or not. Young people that age just can't possibly appreciate the ramifications of having sex, much less having promiscuous sex with random people outside of a committed relationship... not that 16-year-olds are drastically different, but I guess you have to draw the line somewhere. I also think there is a big difference between a boyfriend/girlfriend in high school who are 16 and 15, and two people who are not in a relationship and are 20 and 15. I would have to think the judge will take all this into account when he is sentencing Frank.

This all just disgusts me. I was brought up to always put women on a pedestal and to respect them 100%. It just seems that mindset is being lost in today's youth, and it sickens me. Not only do I not commit acts like this, the thought never even crosses my mind. I think most of us in here would say the same thing, but I see how too many men treat women like crap, and it pisses me off and saddens me.

Buttealum · Post by **Buttealum** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 8:30 pm

I wish there was a simple answer. I wonder why some girls from Bozeman (and this happens all over) think it is ok to drink and party with the jocks at MSU, then cry rape when something happens. What, did her parents find out, like at Carroll College? These athletes better wake up and knock it off. There will always be groupies who will do anything to get a little of them for their attention. They are ruining their careers and their future.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:34 am

I am in no way condoning what Frank did. He deserves whatever the law decides to do with him. I am saying that we as people shouldn't be so harsh on him. I would never, NEVER sleep with a 15 year old, even if I was 16 at the time. I know the law, although I will admit I have seen some extremely hot 15 year olds.

I respect the law and have done little to break it, save some speeding and underage drinking. I just feel people soley put the blame on the male in rape cases, and I feel obligated to try and defend that. I had a buddy in the same exact situation, he was 18 she was 15, and they had sex. She agreed, but her parents found out. They are the ones who filed for rape. She wasn't a virgin at the time, either.

I'll agree with Bozone, I was brought up to treat women like Queens. And I have. I just don't like seeing people take a bum rap for things they aren't 100% responsible for. We could argue for hours about whether a 15 year old girl can make her own decisions, or that Frank coerced her, or whatever. I just don't want people jumping on Frank without knowing the facts.

What Frank did was wrong, no excuse. I just want to know the facts before I consider him a horrible human being, etc. If the girl gave him consent is a big deal to me and will alter my perception of Frank as a person. Either way, he broke the law and should be punished accordingly.

PapaG · Post by **PapaG** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:58 pm

Cats15 wrote:Shut the hell up Papa G. Mick had no part of this.Fank came in this program with a clean record and in the past two years showed he was a good citizen and good athlete. For you to put this on mick is totally wrong and bogus. Mick strives on not only getting the best athletes but kids that were modle students in high school and would be great for this community.I would agree with you if frank had previouse problems of any sort but he didn't. This does look very bad for our program and i feel horrible for the players and coaches. I hope they can find away to come together after this ordeal and make a good run in the confrence.I am 100% behind mick

The team stinks, Mick has ONE NCAA appearance in umpteen years, and now players are being investigated for rape.

It's all part of a pattern, and I hope Mick has the foresight to move into the front office and get a coach in who is young and ambitious.

MSUcantouchus · Post by **MSUcantouchus** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 11:33 am

A pattern? One instance is not a pattern papi.