Durr

MSU88 · Post by **MSU88** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:42 pm

MSU88 wrote:I have two sons in the MSU Bobcat program. I swore I would never be part of this internet armchair coaching group, but after reading some of this I could not resist.

Coach Durham has done a wonderful job with this team this year. In addition he has treated my sons as if they were his. I was unable to watch the last two home games because of a tournament commitment I had in Billings, but the emotion my oldest son showed Coach Durham says it all for me.

Get off this kick and SUPPORT the Bobcats............they deserve all the support we can give.....picked dead last in the Big Sky to a tournament bye? How could anyone take the time to be critical of the coaches or players? Some people in this forum simply amaze me. These people have families, mothers and fathers......let's be positive and root for a hard working quality team that has exceeded all expectations.

Mick has been a loyal man and deserves to leave the program when he is darn well and ready............and for those Paterno bashers, he certainly deserves the same. There is an old saying, "No good deed goes unpunished." Keep this in mind. Coach Durham has done many good deeds during his career at MSU.............don't punish him for them.

My best wishes to the Cats at the Big Sky Tournament. On to the NCAA's and show all of us what you are made of!

P.S. I called my friend and dicated this message to all. I would not even know how to sign up for such a thing!

MSUcantouchus · Post by **MSUcantouchus** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:49 pm

CATTRACKER wrote:Pee'd, there you go again.

I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why you have chosen to "call out Dissly" and Durr. Every post you make is a derogatory comment on usually one of these two players. What is your story? Are you a frustrated Montana basketball player who didn't make it in D-1 ball, or just a jack ---? Whichever it is, it is not appropriate to keep dissing on these athletes. They have had a wonderful year, far exceeding expectations. They have melded as a team, something which was not expected, and we have to give Dissly and Durr a lot of credit for that. Carson is a hard worker and has developed tremendously this year, probably after being robbed of a red shirt season which could have helped his game tremendously. He hasn't quit improving and I expect he will continue to do so. Do you think your continued bashing is going to have any effect? I predict it will only continue to make other posters on BCN even more disgrunted and have even less positive regard for anything you say. It is quite apparent, to me and my co-fans, that Carson is always welcome on the floor by his teammates, and I can see and share their excitement when he is successful. I wish that you, Pee'd, could enjoy his success rather than continue with your negative diatribe on BCN. Maybe if you dump the chip on your shoulder you would enjoy that CAT's success more.

1st when I asked if I could call out Diss it was to start some talk about if people really thought he was improved over last year and if he could do more. I was not ragging on him in any way. I just thought he should take less long 3's and take it to the hole more. You have problem with that? Because this weekend he took it to the hole more and had one of his best weekends to date.

Why do you get soooooo upset when someone states his opinion? All of my posts are not negative. I agree with alot of things on this board and I don't feel the need say exactly the samething as someone esle. I 'm don't have such a big ego that it forces me to state my every thought on every subject for others to read. I normally only post when I have news or when I think I have a somewhat origional thought.

BobCatFan · Post by **BobCatFan** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:53 pm

FootballFan wrote:Hey BobCatFan, according to your logic Kramer should be fired also! 6-5, 7-6 records!

I cant defend Kramer record either. But Kramer has done one thing that Mick has not be able to do and that is put fans in the stands. Football attendence is way up since Kramer started. I do not have the attendence records for basketball, but I would have to think that attendece is down since Mick took over.

HeHateGriz · Post by **HeHateGriz** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:07 pm

Carson & Sheldon's Dad: Don't worry about a few morons here. They do not represent the majority of fans. They are destructive and ignorant....either the same people that picked on weaker kids at school....or more likely just made more bold by being able to hide behind a computer. If there are 11 kids on a team, they want them all to have the stats of starters. They have probably never been part of a true team.

As for Mick's comments, he has a unique style just like Kramer has a (different) unique style. Did any of you ever think that Mick says what he says so as not to transfer pressure to his kids. Would it be better if he said that next Tuesday's game is "the most important game in the history of Bobcat athletics"? A guy with 15 years experience just might have seen a few "big games" come and go. Mick has a little better perspective than these fans that live and die with every game. Mick cares deeply about winning and losing. If you know Mick, you know that.

Picked dead last. Lost starting point guard and starting center. Starting line up consists of 4 kids that might not have been able to find Montana on a map a year ago. Tell me again just how much Mick sucks.

MSUcantouchus · Post by **MSUcantouchus** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:12 pm

MSU88 wrote:
peedintunnel wrote:I have nothing against him and I like Durr as a person but he simply doesn't bring much to the table. I think he is playing a lot because there is no other backup for Diss.

Axton hit at least 2 threes in the fist ten minutes. Durr did not make a 3 in that game, and how could you possibly know how many points Axton scored when Durr was on him. Are you soley watching him and keeping track of all his stats? There are oly 2 reasons you would do this. You are family or you are in love with him. just kidding, don't fly off the handle. Seriously, he doesn't do much when he is out there. 1.22 pts a game .56 assists a game and 1.11 rebounds a game. This is all in around 12 - 15 minutes. I just think there has to be someone else out there who can do what he does and offer the ability to score more than 1.22 pts a game and grab a board or two.

Would Woodall be playing more if he was white and from MT? Just a question. Not saying anyone is racist but it seems local boys get more of a chance.
First of all he has been playing the #4 not behind Dissly. Watch the game. Secondly, I am not related......simply a fan of Montana Class C Basketball and a follower of this kid in high school. His father and I know each other well and I do keep close track of what he does in a game.

Third, you keep going to stats.........he is, and never will be a stats player. He is sent out there to do a job and he does it. As far as Woodall goes, its not even close.........and I am sure Dennis is a good person as well. But you are not at practice and in coaches meetings. I am quite sure that at the D-1 level all coaches play to win, not satisfy others. This "local boy" didn't receive his chance until five weeks ago.

The #4 position is the power forward position. He is not backing up Moss is he? NO, he normally plays behind Dissly. Any you are a friend of his which make you biased. He needs to record some kind of stats. Role players have stats. They have rebounds, assists, steals, low turnover to assist ratio. By the way Durr has played double digit minutes in 17 games, he has not just got his oportunity 5 games ago. You tell me to watch the games? I'm not so sure you have been watching these games at all. I have missed one.

I just don't think Durr is cut out for this level. Maybe frontier would be better for him. Recruiting mistakes are made. This may be one. He simply does not have the quickness for this level. This is most likely why the coaches are taking a very good look at Jack Mcgillis before offering him. Quickness is unbelievably important in basketball, especially the highest level. Being able to put the ball on the floor and make any kind of a move to create some space is crutial. You can't be a peremeter player an not be able to this.

Durr will not continue to get by with just catching the ball and pivioting and passing again. He needs to be a scoring threat, a threat to drive and dish, or a threat to do anything. Otherwise teams will just play off of him which enables them to play better help D on our scorers.

We can agree Durr does things well out there. He has bball smarts and seems to play decient defense. He makes the safe pass and works for rebounds. I just was making the point that I don't think he has the tools ie quickness, ball handing, pure shot, or power to contribute at this level. If he can develop a really good jumpshot and a move to gain seperation he will be fine.

Dude i'm not trying to piss anyone off here just saying what nobody has said so far by stating my thoughts.

BobCatKid · Post by **BobCatKid** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:22 pm

You anti-Mick, anti-MSU people can rant all you want. The people who know the situation here at MSU who really count, in and out of the Universtiy KNOW that Mick has done an amazing job in all of his years here--including those when he was an "assistant", and for the last two years in that job he was far more than that. He was left with absolutely nothing and has built a great program considering the handicaps he has to work under--who here thnks that Booker, Munsell, or Davis would have ever gotten elgible at MSU. I'm not going to explain the 3-8 rule here but anyone who wants to know can get the media guides and find who was injured and who left for reasons not associated with with Mick and to argue that others in this conference had the same problems that we did is foolish. Dean Alexander knows more of MSU basketball history than anyone--call him and tell him how incompetent Mick is and you all will get your ear burned off throught the phone. You are KNOCKERS who don't know of the real issues or facts but can say things here without being responsible.

BTBCat · Post by **BTBCat** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:54 pm

I find it fascinating that even though the cats got a bye into the tournament which is incredible and very exciting, I find myself having to read about people questioning the head coach and some of the players on the team.
lets look at what this years team has done.
1. came into the season with almost all new players
2. worked through the Frank Brown incident
3. Beat the Griz Twice
4. Took a second place BSC finish into the conference tournament
Now if that is not enough for some of you than maybe it's time to just cash in your chips as a MSU fan and move on.

Sure it isn't first place, and we had a rough season at times, but look at the big picture. Mick did a great job recruiting and put together a great season. So lets get off his back a little bit, if you could do better you would be the coach (god forbid).

And I would hope that we could find a way to keep the ripping of players to a minimum and hopefully do away with it. Remember if one of them has a rough game or a rough stretch, they are working their butt of to win games and ENTERTAIN YOU!!!! So don't be so quick to judge.

I truly hope that the Cats win the tournament and go to the NCAA's, so maybe Mick can have the approval of all the HATERS on this site.

Best of luck Cats, Go get em!!!!!!

MSUcantouchus · Post by **MSUcantouchus** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:59 pm

It seems everyone values different things which is why people are not getting along on the Durham subject. Whether you like him ore not depends on how you value some of these things.

Durham is a great defensive coach
but he is not a very good offensive coach.

Durham is not very inspiring in speech or word
but he has run a clean program with a slightly winning record for 15 years.

5-8 rule was killing Durham
but that is gone now.

Durham had no expectations this year(picked last)
and now is 2nd.

Durham has overacheved this year,
but Big Sky is way down and anything but last is considered good to some.

Durham is not putting butts in the seats
but the boosters don't seem to care as much about bball as ftball.

Durham has knowledge and recruiting connections and connections in general, but he seems to lack the intensive drive that alot the the younger coaches have.

My thought
I think new blood in the assistant coaches ranks is helping Durham alot and complementing him well this year. he may not have done too well without Jonny's recruits and Jonny's big man coaching ability which brang moss and baye along.

truebobcatfan · Post by **truebobcatfan** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:04 pm

It's been awhile since I have made a post. I wanted to wait until the end of the season, and see if the Bobcat Nation "experts" were right. You guys really do amaze me. At the beginning of the year, the experts said that
the cats were not going to make the tournaments, Casey Durham wasn't good enough to play, and coach Durham is not a good coach.

Now that the end of the season is nearing, I guess the experts were wrong.

Not only did the Cats make it to the tournament, they are now in 2nd place and have a good chance of going to the NCAA tournament. That is pretty damn good for a team that everyone trashed at the beginning of the year.

For the guys that thought Casey Durham couldn't play, well...you saw what he did as a freshman, walk-on "daddy's boy"...one of the best three point shooters and best on pressure ball defender in the conference...enough said!

Now for the Coach Durham HATERS.
For Durham to take a group of new guys and get them to mesh together as they did this year is remarkable. Let's take Portland State for example, last year they were in the same situation as the Cats. They had all new JC players on their roster, DID THEY MAKE IT TO THE TOURNAMENT? NO
I believe that, by itself speaks volumes about the the kind of coach Mick Durham is!

BTBCat · Post by **BTBCat** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:21 pm

peedintunnell, i'm not sure exactly where you stand on Durham. you just named reasons why he should be the head coach at montana state university.

i think that hiring good assistants is a sign that he is becoming a better head coach. good assistants are key to a good team and mick should be commended for bringing johnny in and in no way does that diminish his job as a coach.

as for bringing fans to the stands, the only way that a head coach can truly affect that is to WIN!! Kramer didn't bring a significant amount of fans in with his public persona. when the fans really started to show up in significant numbers was when we started WINNING!

you'll see that if the team continues to win this year and into next, the fan attendance will improve and the game atmosphere will definately be better. the Cameron Crazies didn't show up until Duke was in the Final four every year so lets support the team to keep the program on the rise.

MSUcantouchus · Post by **MSUcantouchus** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:21 pm

I don't really know if I want Durham to stay or not. I lean toward getting rid of him but I see both sides of the arguement. I was just putting down a few reasons for each side. I don't like when people say he should stay because of what went on this year, cause anything other than last place was going to be good. We are 2nd and doing better than predicted but the Big Sky is way down and our RPI is terrible. We have few to no quality wins. We are not that good of a team compared to the rest of D-1, but then again Durham did an amazing job putting togeather a bunch of transfers. This is a good mix and he did some good recruiting.

We have to look at his whole body of work not just this year. Some years the team has excelled and other years they have underacheived. I still get upset that Durham couldn't get the team to the tourny in Ericksons last 2 years. Erickson put in more work than we can imagine and he didn't even get the opportunity to play in the BSC tournament.

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:37 pm

Hi Folks I wanted to comment on all of the Durham Bashing and support going on in this
thread but, I do not think it is fair to Carson Durr to carry on the conversation on thread
that was meant to be about him, so I commented on my feeling towards Durham in a new
thread here:

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatboard ... 8764#18764

Now for my Carson Durr comments:
I am exited to see how Carson has developed this year. Folks from Bozeman had told
me to look out for Carson this year because they were expecting big things from him. He
started out the season, though looking like a deer caught in the head lights out on the
floor. While he struggled all year offensively all year long, he never gave up like I see a
lot of young players do. He played good defense and did everything the coaches asked
of him. Despite his lack of scoring punch the Coaches felt comfortable enough with him
that he ate up Dennis Woodahl’s minutes and became a great role player by the end of the season.
He now looks 100% comfortable on the court, and plays with a great deal of confidence,
and has shown a glimpse recently of offensive capability. I think him ending on such a
high note will bode well for him over the simmer. I am not going to say he is the next
Jason Erickson, but I do think he will have a very productive junior season.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:02 pm

peedintunnel wrote:It seems everyone values different things which is why people are not getting along on the Durham subject. Whether you like him ore not depends on how you value some of these things.

Durham is a great defensive coach
but he is not a very good offensive coach.

Durham is not very inspiring in speech or word
but he has run a clean program with a slightly winning record for 15 years.

5-8 rule was killing Durham
but that is gone now.

Durham had no expectations this year(picked last)
and now is 2nd.

Durham has overacheved this year,
but Big Sky is way down and anything but last is considered good to some.

Durham is not putting butts in the seats
but the boosters don't seem to care as much about bball as ftball.

Durham has knowledge and recruiting connections and connections in general, but he seems to lack the intensive drive that alot the the younger coaches have.

My thought
I think new blood in the assistant coaches ranks is helping Durham alot and complementing him well this year. he may not have done too well without Jonny's recruits and Jonny's big man coaching ability which brang moss and baye along.

i was one of those people who wanted durham out but lets take a look at things:

2 regular season big sky conference championships in the last 4 years

but he has had some seasons that were piss poor
let us wait 2 years and then judge him..if he is a good recruiter the program will go up, if he is a poor coach then we will crash

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:14 pm

2 regular season big sky conference championships in the last 4 years

pssst...we didn't win the regular season this year.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:45 am

wbtfg wrote:
2 regular season big sky conference championships in the last 4 years

pssst...we didn't win the regular season this year.

my bad

we were what - 1 game behind portland state? same difference just that we did not get the hardware.