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Post by Grizlaw » Tue May 31, 2005 4:52 pm

mquast53000 wrote:Grizlaw if you get an unabridged dictionary you can find just about any word... You can go look up the word “Negro” and then read the definition. Now I am sure that you have heard people use this term to describe African Americans. Now through your rational this makes the term non-racist… Quoting a dictionary and people in New England isn't going to sell me on your argument.
First -- just out of morbid curiousity, I used the same dictionary and looked up "Negro" (it's Merriam-Webster online, if you're interested). It gives a definition, but immediately before the definition of Negro, it says "sometimes offensive." Thus, the dictionary acknowledges that "negro" is an offensive term, and does not say the same about "white-bread." However, that's beside the point...

The main point here is, Quast, I'm not trying to "sell" you on any argument; I'm just giving you my own opinion. If you're offended by the term, then you're offended, and you're entitled to your opinion -- everyone has their own view of what is offensive, and nobody is wrong.

All I'm saying is that I've heard the term used, it doesn't offend me, and in the context it is generally used, it is not considered or intended to be a racist comment. The reason I cited the dictionary and the other times I've heard the term used (by white people, incidentally) is to illustrate the fact that I am not the only person on the planet who sees it the way I do. It obviously offends you, and that's fine -- like I said, I'm not telling you that you're wrong, I'm just offering my own point of view.

Of course, as you told me earlier today, I am a Griz fan and a lawyer, which means I'm inherently right about everything, yes? ;)



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Post by El_Gato » Tue May 31, 2005 5:40 pm

Side issue/question:

grizlaw, where did you do your undergrad work?


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Post by Grizlaw » Tue May 31, 2005 7:49 pm

El_Gato wrote:Side issue/question:

grizlaw, where did you do your undergrad work?
Undergrad: graduated from UM, but did my first 2 years at MT Tech.
Law school (J.D.) UM
Graduate law degree (LL.M.) NYU

Out of curiousity, why do you ask?



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Post by mquast53000 » Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:30 am

like I said, I'm not telling you that you're wrong, I'm just offering my own point of view.
I thought that lawyers (especially Griz lawyers) were always trying to convince everyone that their opinion is right? :?


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Post by Grizlaw » Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:52 am

mquast53000 wrote:
like I said, I'm not telling you that you're wrong, I'm just offering my own point of view.
I thought that lawyers (especially Griz lawyers) were always trying to convince everyone that their opinion is right? :?
Nope; only when I'm getting paid for it.

Besides, trying to convince someone that they shouldn't be offended by something is stupid. It's kind of like trying to convince someone that green beans taste good -- I could talk forever and explain why I like them, but I can't make someone like them if they don't. *shrug*



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Post by Hell's Bells » Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:05 am

mquast53000 wrote:Okay Mr. Welsch here are my problems with this article. I am ready for some hate mail from our posters, but here we go...
This is still a state where some alums grumble about giving football and basketball scholarships to minorities.

-I think that as a reporter if you print commments like this you should back them up with some type of proof instead of an assumption. We all can make outragous assumptions…
This is still such a mono-cultured valley that a white separatist named Kevin McGuire sees fertile ground for the nourishment of his group's twisted views.

-3.6% of all voters? You think that it would have been lower in the South were there is a higher African American population?
African-American athletes in predominantly Anglo communities are on guard against getting pulled over for "driving while black."

* If a black athlete and white woman are walking down the street, the woman might be asked "is everything all right?"

* Minority athletes view the police and media with equal wariness, mistrust or disdain.
-This is a lot like the Newsweek article… Can’t you get a quote from someone about these types of occurances? At least if there was a written record of these sorts of occurrences, then there would be some changes made in the Police Dept.
When we putter around whitebread Bozeman, where cultural diversity means some Anglos drive 10-year-old bio-diesel Passats and the other Anglos drive sparkling-new SUVs...
-This remark is racist. I know that white people are not suppose to say things are racist, but there you have it I feel this is a racist remark. Whitebread? Are you kidding, you won’t say something bad about the Griz, but you will knock the people in Gallatin Valley?
i agree with you. when i read that article i almost cringed it is full of the type of reporting that makes me want to forsake the news.

1) wheres your sources on this?
2) why all the race-related minor epithets? seems childish to me
3) whats your motivation for wrighting a article like this? it makes bozeman seem like it is still in the 1950's. I have lived there for 6 years while going to school and i will tell ya first hand that is wrong and false. "driving while black" give me a break....our finest in blue work their asses off and thats the credit you give them. Do you know the type of job they have? have you interviewed any cop to make sure that actually happens? This is why the newsweek article had to be retracted...stuff like this...not following leads...seems like you have had only one source if not that...how can you wright somthing like this?


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