welsch banishment please

grizbeer · Post by **grizbeer** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:36 am

kmax wrote:
grizbeer wrote:
MSU01 wrote:
PapaG wrote:The mistake is he says that PSU should win all of their home BSC games. MSU plays at PGE Park in October. If PSU wins all of their home games, and if MSU ends up tied with PSU for second, then PSU would technically get the 2nd spot because they would have beaten MSU in this scenario.

Really, though, this is much ado about nothing. Officially both teams would be in 2nd place, and since there is no auto berth for second, the original post seems to be an example of looking for a reason to criticize Welsch.
Exactly...head to head results don't have to affect at-large playoff bids. Nice to know I'm not the only one who's missing Welsch's huge mistake.
He also predicts PSU @ 6-5, so they would not meet the eligibility requirements of 7 wins to get an at-large bid. The big question is which other non-conf game he expects MSU to lose?
My guess would be EWU since he has them finishing 7-0 in conference play.

Is MSU not in the BSC this year

Obviously he figures MSU will lose to EWU, PSU, and OSU, but which other non-conf loss will produce the 7-4, 5-2 record?

Post by **kmax** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:39 am

grizbeer wrote:
kmax wrote:
grizbeer wrote:
MSU01 wrote:
PapaG wrote:The mistake is he says that PSU should win all of their home BSC games. MSU plays at PGE Park in October. If PSU wins all of their home games, and if MSU ends up tied with PSU for second, then PSU would technically get the 2nd spot because they would have beaten MSU in this scenario.

Really, though, this is much ado about nothing. Officially both teams would be in 2nd place, and since there is no auto berth for second, the original post seems to be an example of looking for a reason to criticize Welsch.
Exactly...head to head results don't have to affect at-large playoff bids. Nice to know I'm not the only one who's missing Welsch's huge mistake.
He also predicts PSU @ 6-5, so they would not meet the eligibility requirements of 7 wins to get an at-large bid. The big question is which other non-conf game he expects MSU to lose?
My guess would be EWU since he has them finishing 7-0 in conference play.
Is MSU not in the BSC this year Obviously he figures MSU will lose to EWU, PSU, and OSU, but which other non-conf loss will produce the 7-4, 5-2 record?

Oops, sorry read that as you asking about confernce game since we were already talking about PSU as one loss. Carry on, apparently my reading comprehension on Monday mornings is somewhat lacking.

Edit to add, he has the cats at 9-4 overall for the season. In other words a 8-3 regular season record and a 1-1 playoff record, therefore he is predicting OOC loss to OSU only.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:28 pm

Why is everyone so harsh of Mr. Welsch? The guy has talked more about Cat football than almost any past sports writer for the Chronicle. He picked us to finish second, and even winning a playoff game.

I feel sorry for the poor guy. Whatever he writes, you guys jump all over him and criticize his every move.

Jeff, if you are reading this, keep up the great coverage of the Cats. Keep writing solid articles (albeit they haven't all been that) and people will come around. I don't want these guys to chase you away from our great community in Bozeman.

grizbeer · Post by **grizbeer** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:32 pm

kmax wrote: Oops, sorry read that as you asking about confernce game since we were already talking about PSU as one loss. Carry on, apparently my reading comprehension on Monday mornings is somewhat lacking.

Edit to add, he has the cats at 9-4 overall for the season. In other words a 8-3 regular season record and a 1-1 playoff record, therefore he is predicting OOC loss to OSU only.

I guess my reading comprehension isn't very good either kmax, thanks.

bobcatbeliever · Post by **bobcatbeliever** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:39 pm

Last time I read an article before going to bed and get worked up enough to comment in public about it before doing the math. I stand corrected - we would make the playoffs and he is correct we would stand a chance hosting. I still hate the Bobby article, but have learned my lesson about making hasty posts.

94VegasCat · Post by **94VegasCat** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:45 am

I love the fact that almost everyday that I check the chronicle online, there is an article about my beloved Bobcats. Mr Welch, I think that you are doing a great job. I do not expect you to view our CATS with the same blue tinted sunglasses that I or my sidekicks on here often wear. You have really done a great job of prepping us for the upcoming season.

Thank you for all that you have done. At least you didn't pick um in front of us this year

mquast53000 · Post by **mquast53000** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:32 am

94VegasCat wrote:I love the fact that almost everyday that I check the chronicle online, there is an article about my beloved Bobcats. Mr Welch, I think that you are doing a great job.

I would not say Jeff is doing a “great job”, rather I would say he is simply doing his job. What other sports are there to report on in Bozeman at the end of August? The Chronicle should have something about the Bobcats everyday, because there isn't anything else to write about. Jeff is simply doing what most people would expect from a sports editor. If the Chronicle wants people in Gallatin Valley to subscribe to their paper they have to have local articles. Not having anything about your local University's sport teams is a good way to lose your local readership. I am not real big on giving a guy praise for doing what is expected of him.

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:33 am

I quit my Chronicle subscription because apparently they don't realize there are a few other high schools around besides Bozeman and Belgrade. Their high school sports coverage SUCKS!!! Not even box scores.

Post by **kmax** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:39 am

Ponycat wrote:I quit my Chronicle subscription because apparently they don't realize there are a few other high schools around besides Bozeman and Belgrade. Their high school sports coverage SUCKS!!! Not even box scores.

When did you quit your subscription Pony? I found this to be better last year also, though it could still improve. Also the new Belgrade News (produced by the Chronicle) has a lot more small school sports coverage of the smaller schools in the Gallatin Valley.

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:27 am

For those who don't receive the print edition of the Chronicle, there is a 16 page insert in todays paper previewing sports at all area high schools.

Sports coverage is much improved in the last year and I think it will continue to improve.

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:17 pm

There was nothing last year on smaller high schools in the area, and they don't have box scores. Granted it is better than say 3-4 years ago but still pretty darn sad when it comes to high school sports.

Post by **kmax** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:22 pm

Ponycat wrote:There was nothing last year on smaller high schools in the area, and they don't have box scores. Granted it is better than say 3-4 years ago but still pretty darn sad when it comes to high school sports.

There were some in there, though not all. I do remember reading an article last fall where the sports staff was basically pleading with area coaches and AD's to send them the info from their games because they wanted to include area school's game summaries but didn't have the staff to be able to collect all of them on a busy sports weekend.

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:30 pm

I guess they are having to make up for past mistakes, granted before Welsch got there. For a lot of years coaches did call in only to not have the box scores posted. I hope they get it fixed, but until they do they wont be getting any of my $$$

Post by **kmax** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:37 pm

Ponycat wrote:I guess they are having to make up for past mistakes, granted before Welsch got there. For a lot of years coaches did call in only to not have the box scores posted.

I believe this was a point of the article as well, trying to let coaches know that they wanted the info and would print it if they got it. I remember getting the feeling they were trying to repair alot of mistrust from the schools' side.

MSU88 · Post by **MSU88** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:28 pm

bobcatbeliever wrote:Please, someone take this guy under their wing and teach him. The article about Bobby Hauk a few weeks ago made me cringe, but this has put me over the top. This article states the Bobcats would take second in the conference and host a playoff game, BUT anyone that reads it and has watched I-AA football EVER knows that according to the article the Bobcats would be 3rd in the conference and not even make the playoffs. Does the Chronicle have an editor?
http://bozemandailychronicle.com/articl ... welsch.txt

First of all, Bobby is not a bad guy, at least in my conversations and dealings with him....his problem is that he coaches the Grizzlies. Secondly, Jeff Welsch does a great job, and his opinions are just not your way of thinking I assume.

94VegasCat · Post by **94VegasCat** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:35 pm

mquast53000 wrote:
94VegasCat wrote:I love the fact that almost everyday that I check the chronicle online, there is an article about my beloved Bobcats. Mr Welch, I think that you are doing a great job.

I would not say Jeff is doing a “great job”, rather I would say he is simply doing his job. What other sports are there to report on in Bozeman at the end of August? The Chronicle should have something about the Bobcats everyday, because there isn't anything else to write about. Jeff is simply doing what most people would expect from a sports editor. If the Chronicle wants people in Gallatin Valley to subscribe to their paper they have to have local articles. Not having anything about your local University's sport teams is a good way to lose your local readership. I am not real big on giving a guy praise for doing what is expected of him.

How bout this then Mr Q. Jeff is doing a great job of getting stuff on the internet becuase it was simply never there before!

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:11 pm

I guess this does just further go to show how hard it would be to make everyone happy. Some people want an emphasis on the small school sports (and I can relate to this perfectly -- there have been fewer times in my life that I have been more frustrated than when the Bozeman TV stations didn't report who had won the Northern C challenge game in 1991 -- I had to actually call the Great Falls Tribune sports desk to find out). Others want to see an article or two on MSU sports (and different people will want more or less emphasis on different sports) every day. Still others (although I don't know who they would be), might want more national sports news worked in.

I agree that a paper like the Chronicle should be almost exclusively local in nature, and should cover the local high schools and youth sports, as well as canvas the MSU scene really well. It's often a matter of headcount and bandwidth, I assume.

I can add, though, that in the past, I thought the Chronicle had a lot of really useless crap. I remember a fantasy football column that one guy wrote on a regular basis (like there aren't about 10,000,000 of those out there already). I also remember a couple sports editorials that I had actually seen in chain emails a couple months earlier.

Comparing those days to today is night and day in my view. I might not agree with every point they make and might not always agree with the priorities placed on different articles (and I never will always agree, as my tastes are pretty specific, just like everyone else's), but I sincerely have to say that I think things have improved dramatically at the Chronicle in the last year. I think this is true in the topics covered and frequency of coverage, but also in the quality of the writing.

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