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Re: Garrett Coon in portal

Post by tetoncat » Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:00 pm

coloradocat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:15 am
CodyCat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:07 am
coloradocat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:30 am
Not surprising. Someone was bound to leave. That's a deep room.
I'd like to see the Cats use the dudes in the RB room a bit more. And yes, I get it, the RPO. Tommy makes the decision. I'd like to see the tweaked a bit.
I think we're all on the same page there. We have some dudes but they've been the 2nd or 3rd option for the last couple years. I assumedidn't?
year will be different unless Vigen can find another Chambers-like QB.
Tommy gets about 12 carries a game. If we split 20 to 25 more between other RB who are you taking away from to get Coon carries. White, Davis, Humphrey, Sumner, Elliot.
Some of those carries are scrambles although that seemed less this year. If he reads correctly they are big plays many times. Does read wrong sometimes, but others both guys might be accounted for.


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Re: Garrett Coon in portal

Post by GoldstoneCat » Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:06 pm

coloradocat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:15 am
CodyCat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:07 am
coloradocat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:30 am
Not surprising. Someone was bound to leave. That's a deep room.
I'd like to see the Cats use the dudes in the RB room a bit more. And yes, I get it, the RPO. Tommy makes the decision. I'd like to see the tweaked a bit.
I think we're all on the same page there. We have some dudes but they've been the 2nd or 3rd option for the last couple years. I assume next year will be different unless Vigen can find another Chambers-like QB.
Yeah. Hard to ask Tommy to run as much without that security blanket Sean provided. I hope we can get to a point through spring and fall camp where Tommy can consistently throw on schedule from the pocket. If he can, he still of course possesses the home run threat with this legs, and i think the ability for him to win from the pocket would free up the RBs,obviously.



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Re: Garrett Coon in portal

Post by Bobcat4Ever » Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:32 pm

CodyCat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:07 am
coloradocat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:30 am
Not surprising. Someone was bound to leave. That's a deep room.
I'd like to see the Cats use the dudes in the RB room a bit more. And yes, I get it, the RPO. Tommy makes the decision. I'd like to see the tweaked a bit.
I’d like to see guys like this be developed into special teams positions, particularly punt returner. I think he had the tools to be a good one. It scares me every time I see an offensive starter like Taco back there. Save his body. Maybe a coach with dedicated special teams duties could take a kid like this and develop him, because the player also would have more time to concentrate on his special teams role. Just thinkin’. Good luck, Garrett.



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Re: Garrett Coon in portal

Post by Helcat72 » Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:46 pm

Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:32 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:07 am
coloradocat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:30 am
Not surprising. Someone was bound to leave. That's a deep room.
I'd like to see the Cats use the dudes in the RB room a bit more. And yes, I get it, the RPO. Tommy makes the decision. I'd like to see the tweaked a bit.
I’d like to see guys like this be developed into special teams positions, particularly punt returner. I think he had the tools to be a good one. It scares me every time I see an offensive starter like Taco back there. Save his body. Maybe a coach with dedicated special teams duties could take a kid like this and develop him, because the player also would have more time to concentrate on his special teams role. Just thinkin’. Good luck, Garrett.
I think the first consideration is CATCHING THE BALL!
So far Taco is the only one the staff trusts since he's been doing it for like 5 years already and you can see he has confidence in doing it.


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Re: Garrett Coon in portal

Post by NOCOcat2005 » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:08 pm

Love the pipeline that has been built with Sheridan, WY, Garrett really kept that going. I could absolutely see him in NAIA, likely not FCS with his overall production, that's just me guessing. Hell of a run!



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Re: Garrett Coon in portal

Post by HiLineCat » Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:01 am

I wonder if the could have converted him to linebacker or maybe nickel? Seemed like a tough kid, maybe he could have gotten more playing time at another position.



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Re: Garrett Coon in portal

Post by Counter Assault » Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:24 pm

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I wonder if the could have converted him to linebacker or maybe nickel? Seemed like a tough kid, maybe he could have gotten more playing time at another position.
I agree with this and other things said. Wasn’t he a GPOY? Tough to lose that talent. I thought some of the runs he did have were great. Wish they could’ve moved him into a different spot. I’d guess they are dealing with scholarship limitations.



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Re: Garrett Coon in portal

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Jan 24, 2024 6:59 pm

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Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:01 am
I wonder if the could have converted him to linebacker or maybe nickel? Seemed like a tough kid, maybe he could have gotten more playing time at another position.
Probably played defense in high school. So hard to say…he may want to play running back or may have thought transitioning to LB would’ve taken too much time to get where he wanted to be. Or his gf is at a different school…who knows.


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Re: Garrett Coon in portal

Post by Bocephus » Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:04 pm

Every time he carried the ball, I thought man, why don’t they give it to him more. Price to pay of deep RB room I guess.



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Re: Garrett Coon in portal

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:22 pm

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Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:04 pm
Every time he carried the ball, I thought man, why don’t they give it to him more. Price to pay of deep RB room I guess.
Exactly, that’s the price.
Every time they gave every runner at MSU the ball, I thought man, why don’t they give it to him more.


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Re: Garrett Coon in portal

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:30 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:22 pm
Bocephus wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:04 pm
Every time he carried the ball, I thought man, why don’t they give it to him more. Price to pay of deep RB room I guess.
Exactly, that’s the price.
Every time they gave every runner at MSU the ball, I thought man, why don’t they give it to him more.
You don’t have bad RBs when your OL is elite.


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Re: Garrett Coon in portal

Post by tetoncat » Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:52 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:30 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:22 pm
Bocephus wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:04 pm
Every time he carried the ball, I thought man, why don’t they give it to him more. Price to pay of deep RB room I guess.
Exactly, that’s the price.
Every time they gave every runner at MSU the ball, I thought man, why don’t they give it to him more.
You don’t have bad RBs when your OL is elite.
You do if they dont read the correct hole


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Re: Garrett Coon in portal

Post by Bobcat4Ever » Wed Jan 24, 2024 11:38 pm

Helcat72 wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:46 pm
Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:32 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:07 am
coloradocat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:30 am
Not surprising. Someone was bound to leave. That's a deep room.
I'd like to see the Cats use the dudes in the RB room a bit more. And yes, I get it, the RPO. Tommy makes the decision. I'd like to see the tweaked a bit.
I’d like to see guys like this be developed into special teams positions, particularly punt returner. I think he had the tools to be a good one. It scares me every time I see an offensive starter like Taco back there. Save his body. Maybe a coach with dedicated special teams duties could take a kid like this and develop him, because the player also would have more time to concentrate on his special teams role. Just thinkin’. Good luck, Garrett.
I think the first consideration is CATCHING THE BALL!
So far Taco is the only one the staff trusts since he's been doing it for like 5 years already and you can see he has confidence in doing it.
I did think about catching the ball as I remembered Garrett as a pretty good all-around player. This is from the Gatorade site. Doesn’t sound like he had total hands of stone. But it’s a hard thing to do, and Taco is the only one that hasn’t scared me to death, too. Garrett did play linebacker.
Gatorade wrote: The 6-foot, 195-pound senior running back and linebacker rushed for 1,589 yards and 29 touchdowns on 196 carries this past season, leading the Broncs (11-1) to the Class 4A state championship. Coon also caught 21 passes for 299 yards and six touchdowns, in addition to contributing 81 tackles and three interceptions on defense. He is a three-time All-State selection and a two-time member of the Casper Star-Tribune Super 25.



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Re: Garrett Coon in portal

Post by onceacat » Thu Jan 25, 2024 12:19 am

CodyCat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:07 am
coloradocat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:30 am
Not surprising. Someone was bound to leave. That's a deep room.
I'd like to see the Cats use the dudes in the RB room a bit more. And yes, I get it, the RPO. Tommy makes the decision. I'd like to see the tweaked a bit.
The big question: Can it be tweaked? Or is it a Tommy thing? (Dont get me wrong, TM is a total stud...it's just that it's pretty obvious to the most casual observer that he makes the wrong read 30-40% of the time. My guess is that its becasue he's the best athlete on the field in a sort of 'hero' ball...)

But, yeah. Coon is probably making the right decision all things considered.



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Re: Garrett Coon in portal

Post by TomCat88 » Thu Jan 25, 2024 2:45 am

tetoncat wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:52 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:30 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:22 pm
Bocephus wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:04 pm
Every time he carried the ball, I thought man, why don’t they give it to him more. Price to pay of deep RB room I guess.
Exactly, that’s the price.
Every time they gave every runner at MSU the ball, I thought man, why don’t they give it to him more.
You don’t have bad RBs when your OL is elite.
You do if they dont read the correct hole
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Re: Garrett Coon in portal

Post by tetoncat » Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:33 am

onceacat wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2024 12:19 am
CodyCat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:07 am
coloradocat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:30 am
Not surprising. Someone was bound to leave. That's a deep room.
I'd like to see the Cats use the dudes in the RB room a bit more. And yes, I get it, the RPO. Tommy makes the decision. I'd like to see the tweaked a bit.
The big question: Can it be tweaked? Or is it a Tommy thing? (Dont get me wrong, TM is a total stud...it's just that it's pretty obvious to the most casual observer that he makes the wrong read 30-40% of the time. My guess is that its becasue he's the best athlete on the field in a sort of 'hero' ball...)

But, yeah. Coon is probably making the right decision all things considered.
30-40% seems pretty high. If Cats run 40 times a game and pass 20, that would be 12-16 times he reads wrong and in the casual observers eye keeps it? He avg 12 carries a game. So that would mean every time he keeps it either it was a wrong read or scramble?


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Re: Garrett Coon in portal

Post by TomCat88 » Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:44 am

tetoncat wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:33 am
onceacat wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2024 12:19 am
CodyCat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:07 am
coloradocat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:30 am
Not surprising. Someone was bound to leave. That's a deep room.
I'd like to see the Cats use the dudes in the RB room a bit more. And yes, I get it, the RPO. Tommy makes the decision. I'd like to see the tweaked a bit.
The big question: Can it be tweaked? Or is it a Tommy thing? (Dont get me wrong, TM is a total stud...it's just that it's pretty obvious to the most casual observer that he makes the wrong read 30-40% of the time. My guess is that its becasue he's the best athlete on the field in a sort of 'hero' ball...)

But, yeah. Coon is probably making the right decision all things considered.
30-40% seems pretty high. If Cats run 40 times a game and pass 20, that would be 12-16 times he reads wrong and in the casual observers eye keeps it? He avg 12 carries a game. So that would mean every time he keeps it either it was a wrong read or scramble?
Mellott averaged less than 10 carries per game last year and some of those were scrambling out of the pocket during an intended pass play, so probably around eight carries out of RPO at most.


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Re: Garrett Coon in portal

Post by tetoncat » Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:49 am

TomCat88 wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:44 am
tetoncat wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:33 am
onceacat wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2024 12:19 am
CodyCat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:07 am
coloradocat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:30 am
Not surprising. Someone was bound to leave. That's a deep room.
I'd like to see the Cats use the dudes in the RB room a bit more. And yes, I get it, the RPO. Tommy makes the decision. I'd like to see the tweaked a bit.
The big question: Can it be tweaked? Or is it a Tommy thing? (Dont get me wrong, TM is a total stud...it's just that it's pretty obvious to the most casual observer that he makes the wrong read 30-40% of the time. My guess is that its becasue he's the best athlete on the field in a sort of 'hero' ball...)

But, yeah. Coon is probably making the right decision all things considered.
30-40% seems pretty high. If Cats run 40 times a game and pass 20, that would be 12-16 times he reads wrong and in the casual observers eye keeps it? He avg 12 carries a game. So that would mean every time he keeps it either it was a wrong read or scramble?
Mellott averaged less than 10 carries per game last year and some of those were scrambling out of the pocket during an intended pass play, so probably around eight carries out of RPO at most.
Which further weakens the thought he misreads 30-40% of the time. Unless he is giving it to the RB to much🤣


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