Owsley

MSU01 · Post by **MSU01** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:15 am

Chronicle article here

Sounds like he was definitely coming back to MSU next year...hopefully things go well for him with the injury.

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:50 am

I don't understand this. They were going to sign him but he gets injured and has to take a redshirt so they with draw their offer!? What is the down side of signing him. He will not fully heal from a dislocated knee cap. Does anyone know if a dislocated knee cap is career threatening? Was it because, they were afraid he would choose to stay at SLCC another year after the season was over? Well it seems to me if he does redshirt this year that is a plus for MSU. Owsley is a known commodity, and having him for three years of eligiblity certainly beats two. Even if he was not fully healthy next year we would still have the orginal two years available. Why not sign him and check back in the spring. If he feels he needs another year in Utah, away from Bozeman then fine, sign someone else at least you keep your options open and do not burn any bridges. The way it looks now the chances of signing Owsley later are slim to none now, and it is not like Durham and company have a long track record of signing 6-8 or taller players. I am confused. Is a dislocated knee cap that seriuos?

WYCAT · Post by **WYCAT** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:00 pm

Can't help MslaCat. I read it like you did - confused. But then again, I am confused as to why he chose to leave and then wanted to come back as well.

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:04 pm

Can any one educate me on the seriuosness of a dislocated knee cap. Have any other athletes had this injury?

velochat · Post by **velochat** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:19 pm

As I recall from my ski patrol days, a dislocated kneecap is quite serious. There are an awful lot of structures (muscle, cartilege, ligaments, bones) holding things together very tightly, so in order to move the kneecap out of it's "groove" takes some real trauma. Unlike other joints, the knee is only supposed to bend in one plane. In other words, ouch! I'm sure there are more medically competent people here to confirm or correct me.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:23 pm

Velo gave a pretty good brief summary of the injury. It is pretty serious, and long-term prognosis is questionable. I will do a little research and see what I can find on research of long-term outcomes post-patellar dislocation and get back to you all. I will tell you what I know right now, though:

The patella is a "floating" bone that tracks across the femur and tibia. It is the common attachment sight for all of the quads up top, and attaches below into the tibia by a tendon. Patellar problems frequently arise from weakness in the VMO - the quad muscle that is on the inside of your thigh (this is the one that kind of bulges out when you straighten your leg). The patella is indirectly connected to the entire knee capsule, so injury here may lead to many other problems stemming from this down the road. It would be interesting to know exactly how he dislocated his kneecap, because it is not a common injury, especially in a well-conditioned athlete.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:56 pm

Okay, here is what I found in the literature (bolds by me):

“Traditionally, patellar instability has been treated with variable periods of immobilization, sporadic rehabilitation, and an expected full return to sports activity. The reality is that many young athletes have long-term retropatella pain and sport-limiting extensor mechanism impairment following patellar dislocations. Most athletes benefit from an initial nonoperative program that is aggressive, multidimensional, and responsive to early treatment outcomes.”

“Only a minority of patients who experience patellar dislocation will redislocate the patella, and surgical treatment does not always yield results that are superior to conservative care.”

“If surgery is performed, current evidence suggests techniques aimed at repair or reconstruction of the passive retinacular restraints are as effective as more extensive procedures at preventing subsequent dislocations”

“Medial retinacular injury associated with primary (first-time) patellar dislocations represents a ligament injury, which may result in residual laxity of the injured structure. Whether or not all first-time dislocators have improved outcome after surgical repair remains speculative, however. Improved outcome would involve both the elimination of recurrent instability episodes and continued satisfactory function of this patella in activities-of-daily-living and sporting activities. These outcomes have not been studied critically in operative versus nonoperative treatment of first-time patellar dislocation. Nonoperative management of first-time patellar dislocations continues to be the preferred practice pattern in the United States.”

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:05 pm

BozoneCat
Are you a PT student

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:32 pm

******************* Rumor Alert *********************
Take it for what it is worth. I am told, MSU did not pull it's scholarship offer to Owsley, this was his discision. The offer is still there.

This is indirect information, some what reliable. It did not come from anybody directly associated with the Basketball program, so by definition it is rumor, but sounds interesting, if anyone has anymore info please share!

velochat · Post by **velochat** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:42 pm

I was wondering if it wasn't due to insurance coverage. Do you need to stay where you were enrolled at the time of an injury, for medical reimbursement reasons? Would it cost MSU, medically, to take on a guy who is already injured and maybe in need of expensive surgery?

Also, Bozeman has great orthopedists, but I'm sure Salt Lake is a good place to have medical problems.

Cats15 · Post by **Cats15** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:31 am

pj is going to take a redshirt year to completly heel from his injury. msu did not wihtdraw the scholarship he just didn't want to sign. he wants to play a year in the league he is in. and he felt like he owed it to his coach to play a year for him. if he signed with msu he could not fufill his objectives at that college. i hope pj can come back to msu and have a succesful career.

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 9:28 am

And that great for PJ, and I respect that, BUT that is not what he said in the Bozeman
Chronicle! I also have heard from multiple source now the same thing that you have
posted here, and that Durham still has an offer on the table to him for a scholarship. PJ
distinctly paints a picture of a callous college coach who pulled a scholarship at the 11th
hour because he suffers an injury, and the story is being carried across the state. Durham
on the other hand can not comment to tell his side of the story because of NCAA rules. I
must say I am not impressed!

It is amazing Durham may be some what of a task master, but has always stuck by his
players though medical problem, need I mention Martrel Johnson who may never play a
significant role for the Cats after his Kidney transplant, and especially Montana athletes
(Danny Sullivan and Carson Durr come to mind), almost to a fault. The picture painted
in the Chronicle is just unfair to the type of person/coach he really is.