Jack McGillis

KitCat · Post by **KitCat** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:05 pm

I see that this topic got split and some of it put in the "smack talk" section. I hope that wasn't my doing...don't think it was. I was just saying that I think Mcgillis would like the "Bobcat Atmoshere" and Basketball tradition.

mthoops · Post by **mthoops** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:42 pm

That wasn't your fault KitCat. These moderators are a bit sensitive (compared with e-griz) You're right, I have always admired Montana State's basketball atmosphere as well as tradition. McGillis would be a GREAT fit for you guys!

Post by **kmax** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:01 pm

mthoops wrote:That wasn't your fault KitCat. These moderators are a bit sensitive (compared with e-griz) You're right, I have always admired Montana State's basketball atmosphere as well as tradition. McGillis would be a GREAT fit for you guys!

While I was not the one who split this particular thread, I did feel it was warranted and no it was not by fault of KitCat. While we may be a bit "sensitive" our goal is to keep topics from degenerating to off-topic, meaningless smack...especially on the Bobcat Sports board. It's not like we delete the posts or reprimand anyone, but this way the original thread can get back on topic and those who wish to continue on the tangent can do so in a seperate thread.

mthoops · Post by **mthoops** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:16 pm

Yeah, I know. I didn't mean anything by it. GO Bobcat Nation!

Post by **SonomaCat** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:32 pm

I split it off, and it definitely wasn't due to kitkat. If you want/need to assign blame for a split thread (which isn't really the case -- it's just cleaning things up to keep the original topic intact as kmax said), you can generally look to the first post that appears in the split thread. I almost left kitkat's post in the original thread, but only included it in the split thread as it seemed to be in response to the conversation that was moved to the new thread (although it could fit into either one).

Long explanation short -- if bareback posts something abrasive in an otherwise good topic thread and it takes the whole thread in a different direction, I tend to move that portion of the thread to the appropriate board.

I personally enjoy reading our board much more than egriz for this very reason. You pretty much have to read every post in every thread over there to figure out what is going on. This board seems to be much better at starting new topic threads and staying within the topic for the most part. That's not a shot at egriz -- those guys do a great job and have a lot more volume to deal with. I just like the way that the group philosophy of this board has evolved, and the threads tend to be much easier to follow. Now we just need about 1,000 more users....

KitCat · Post by **KitCat** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:10 pm

Well, Had a chance to watch Jack McGillis and the Hellgate Knights against my Hawks tonight. Durham, Lets SIGN THIS KID! Didnt have a spectacular game (20some points), but his athletic ability is unreal! He had a dunk that looked like something off SportsCenter!

MSU88 · Post by **MSU88** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:18 pm

mslacat wrote:
Helcat72 wrote:How many scholarships are available next year? We only have one senior (Towsley), Frank Brown's, and maybe Martrel Johnson's maybe?
For next year we will have for sure 3 scholarships. Towsley, Brown and Woodall. I
would guess that one more will open up, typically that always seems to happen. The
three that seem most likely are Martrell's (will he come back), Pratt, (he may get recruited
over) and/or Carson Durr. Now before you come unglued at me over Durr, I am not
saying that he does not belong with the Cats. I do not believe Durham would ever cut
him, but he is approaching his junior-senior years and on a basketball level does stay a
Cat , or transfer to a frontier school and be an instant impact. Take a look how well
Moralas is doing for Rocky this year.

One thing I have heard twice now is that Durham goals this spring is to sign two forwards (at least on with size who can play right away), A swing players (guard/forward), and point guard.

Mthoops wrote:
McGillis is in fact on Durham's radar. As well as Air Force's, Sienna's, Austin Peay's, U of N Florida's, and South Dakota St. U's. Those are the ones I have heard for sure from coaching source.
Thanks for the info.

Durr will never transfer. He is Bobcat through and through. He is playing more and more and is a great team player. He is also a very good student with goals. I know his family some and he is at MSU for the long haul.

mthoops · Post by **mthoops** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:26 am

Tomorrow (Tuesday) is "signing day" for Football (Griz/McGillis). . . Tick Tock...Mick Talk...Tick Tock...Mick Talk...

KitCat · Post by **KitCat** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:08 am

This MCGillis kid is every bit as good as Danny Faborg and Nick Dissly at the same age. MICK TALK!!! (i like that)

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:52 am

mthoops wrote:Tomorrow (Tuesday) is "signing day" for Football (Griz/McGillis). . . Tick Tock...Mick Talk...Tick Tock...Mick Talk...

I hate to get picky, but Wednesday , not Tuesday is signing day.

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:08 pm

KitCat wrote:This MCGillis kid is every bit as good as Danny Faborg

Faaborg, really? Maybe we should pass on this kid if that's the best he can be compared to.

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:12 pm

KitCat wrote:This MCGillis kid is every bit as good as Danny Faborg and Nick Dissly at the same age. MICK TALK!!! (i like that)

From what I have heard the folks at MSU have McGillis plugged in as a Faaborge, or
Danny Sullivan type. A small forward does fit into their plans, so do they offer McGillis
now, and give up on a few player they have higher on there recruiting list.
Personally, I think it is important that MSU at least offers the best Montana Athlete every
year. Right now I am on the McGillis bandwagon, as the best College prospect, but I
think he is one of three borderline prospects in the state this year.

mthoops · Post by **mthoops** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:41 pm

I have watched Danny Sprinkle, Dan Sullivan, Kral & Shan Ferch, Danny Faaborge, Nick Dissly, Gary & Brian Lynch, Shane Gamradt, Mike Warhank, Sam Riddle, Matt Ludke, Matt Sidensticker, J.R. Camel, Toby Stack, Jordan Hasquet, Eric Henkel, Kevin Criswell, John Lazosky...and nameless other players with Montana roots and Montana D1 opportunities.

I can very confidently say without a doubt that Jack McGillis of Missoula Hellgate fits into that list of players with no questions asked. I can also say that NOT ONE of those previously listed players developed from their Junior to Senior H.S. seasons like McGillis has. And he will continue at that rate of growth and development well into college. He is one of the most pure athletic talents I have seen in a while. He is a Division 1 player. That is bottom line fact.

MSU88 · Post by **MSU88** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:49 pm

I guess I am trying to figure out why the Cats need a small forward....so he can play behind Dissly for two years? Unless they redshirt one and that would be only one year on the bench. Nick rarely comes out of a game and when he does they usually replace him with one of the guards.

A big post player with strength would be a need, but other than that the Cats lose little to graduation and will have only three scholarships available. Am I missing something here?

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:59 pm

MSU88 wrote:I guess I am trying to figure out why the Cats need a small forward....so he can play behind Dissly for two years? Unless they redshirt one and that would be only one year on the bench. Nick rarely comes out of a game and when he does they usually replace him with one of the guards.

A big post player with strength would be a need, but other than that the Cats lose little to graduation and will have only three scholarships available. Am I missing something here?

You are right with the scholarship count, the Cats will need to fill Brown, Woodall and Towsleys spots. That said though I have heard the Cats are looking to sign 2 big forward ( at least one who can contribute right away), a swing player (guard/foward) and a true point guard. Given our top 7-8 players are all, coming back and we have a d-1 center redshirting right now, you have to figure any highschool players will be looking real hard at a redshirt year.

mthoops · Post by **mthoops** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:12 pm

First off, McGillis is a 6'6" Shooting Guard with full capability at the Small Forward. He primarily played Shooting Guard on a summer All-Star team that played in Las Vegas tourneys as well as others. He averaged around 26 PPG and stellar supporting stats. 3pt shot is extremely pure and accurate. Dunking ability is outragous! He is playing more of a Small Forward/Center for his high school team right now, because he is the tallest kid and that's where he makes the most sense and most impact.

MSU88, what is the sense of urgency these days for incoming Freshman to have immediate impact on a D1 team? I don't know if McGillis would play behind Dissly for two years, But if he did, is that a bad thing. Let the kid Red-Shirt and then give the Cats 3-4 years of solid play.

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:18 pm

mslacat wrote:you have to figure any highschool players will be looking real hard at a redshirt year.

Wouldnt this be the case for most high school kids coming out? Unless extenuating circumstances show otherwise....ie 5-8 and Durham being forced to play Durr/Dissly or the Frank Brown incident and Holmes this year.

I've seen McGillis play twice this year, and although he shows the potential, and is definitely athletic enough, I see no way he can step in and play next year for anyone in the Big Sky. He has redshirt written all over him.

If he wants to go to a school and play basketball immediately, he better be calling Carroll and some of the other Frontier Conference teams. And other the UGF, I'd bet he is still considered a RS or coming off the bench at best.

MSU88 · Post by **MSU88** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:32 pm

mthoops wrote:First off, McGillis is a 6'6" Shooting Guard with full capability at the Small Forward. He primarily played Shooting Guard on a summer All-Star team that played in Las Vegas tourneys as well as others. He averaged around 26 PPG and stellar supporting stats. 3pt shot is extremely pure and accurate. Dunking ability is outragous! He is playing more of a Small Forward/Center for his high school team right now, because he is the tallest kid and that's where he makes the most sense and most impact.

MSU88, what is the sense of urgency these days for incoming Freshman to have immediate impact on a D1 team? I don't know if McGillis would play behind Dissly for two years, But if he did, is that a bad thing. Let the kid Red-Shirt and then give the Cats 3-4 years of solid play.

You are right.........I just thought people thought he would contribute now. You are right. Durr and maybe Dissly should have redshirted last year, especially Durr. He is starting to fit in real well right now, but another year under his belt might have been better. On the flip side, with the new rules, no player is safe, especially if you have a "win now" attitude. I am not sure the 5-8 rule was that bad. This makes the game much more of a business.

mthoops · Post by **mthoops** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:33 pm

If he wants to go to a school and play basketball immediately, he better be calling Carroll and some of the other Frontier Conference teams. And other the UGF, I'd bet he is still considered a RS or coming off the bench at best.

CatPride,
I hope that people who share your basketball views and critiques are few and far between. Maybe the few times you saw McGillis were the worst games in his career, I don't know. However, to put this talented, hard-working Montana athlete, with a football offer to UM, and basketball attention from UW, Wash St., and a good shot at scholarships to Air Force, Sienna, SDSU and MSU...and even mention him in the same sentence with UGF, is a low blow and a slap in the face.

BTW: Carroll College is the only Frontier school to attemp getting him, and are selling him as an immediate 4 year starter.

MSU88 · Post by **MSU88** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:34 pm

Cat Pride wrote:
mslacat wrote:you have to figure any highschool players will be looking real hard at a redshirt year.
Wouldnt this be the case for most high school kids coming out? Unless extenuating circumstances show otherwise....ie 5-8 and Durham being forced to play Durr/Dissly or the Frank Brown incident and Holmes this year.

I've seen McGillis play twice this year, and although he shows the potential, and is definitely athletic enough, I see no way he can step in and play next year for anyone in the Big Sky. He has redshirt written all over him.

If he wants to go to a school and play basketball immediately, he better be calling Carroll and some of the other Frontier Conference teams. And other the UGF, I'd bet he is still considered a RS or coming off the bench at best.

You are right as well. These Montana players either want to be a "Cat" or a "Griz" and try to play a role on a D-1 team, or be an impact player in the Frontier conference. I am not too sure the best player in Montana year to year is ready for D-1, let alone be a star. I think we are all on the same page...........