The Bobby Hauck Show (concerning Bostick)

[jagur1]

No use debating the point. Cat fans are like teenage girls they'll always find something to stir the pot up. Hauk could have skiped the show and cat fans (just like teenage girls) would have found that as a slap to the old Ego. I'm sure the cat fan did hear FTC from the Griz because 1: he wanted to so he could be outraged or 2: a few player many have said it. But does any one in there right mind believe it was an organized FTC by the team coaches?

You'd think cat fans would be pissed at Ash for not having a 1200 yard back installed in the short yardage package instead of being pissed at Bobby.

[BentonGrizFan]

I watched the show and had a different take on it. I took it to mean that in relation to the importance to the team, it was a bigger deal to lose your first two quarterbacks than it was to lose your starting tight end. I don't think he meant to infer that Bostick was an average player. I rewound it a couple times to make sure, because I thought this would come up.

Whether the players said FTC or not, it really is part of the rivalry. I noticed numore Eat S**t Griz t shirts at the game. No big deal to me.

It is pretty obvious that Hauck takes this rivalry very seriously.

[Born2BaGriz]

I can settle a part of this somewhat. I'm sorry, but it is correct that after Mike spoke to the team and then Bobby spoke, they did gather at midfield and chant FTC. After that they broke up, and people were allowed on the field.

What do I make about it? I don't like it. I don't like that you make a show of gathering at the middle of the field to talk/pray and then get up and chant FTC. But then I'm of the belief that the prayer and that stuff can go on in the lockerroom and out of the public eye, it shouldn't be public.

However, what I am tired of is the whinning by posters over hear that somehow believe their team is above the fray. A friend of mine had an on the field pass and said some staffers and a couple of the assistant coaches were complete jerks. I asked if he had names, and he said he didn't but he did know that it was not Ash who was acting in that manner. He said most of was being comitted by a non-coaching staffer to another non- coaching Griz staffer, but he felt it was out of line.

I know for a fact we have a lot of classess fans. I hear it all the time and I heard it walking into the game as the Cats were walking out to the field to warmup. However, I also saw and heard the fans wishing Crawford the best and talking him up after the game.

What this comes down to is the fact that out of the last 22 years the Cats have one three games and one in Missoula. I wasn't in Bozeman when the Cats won, but I heard from Griz fans that it was not good in many ways. Now if you want to say, that was under Krammer and things are not the same, then fine. But while I am saying I wish they wouldn't have done it, I find it hard to believe you think that kind of stuff does not go on in Bozeman. It may not go on in the center of the field, but I would bet it happens in the lockerroom.

I don't like how Bobby deals with the media a lot of the time. And not that he listens or that I have any pull, I do send my concerns on to Bobby and O'Day. After all, they are representing Montana and I think that they need to hear that people disagree with some of the actions. But I can understand your dislike of Hauck, but for a lot of people on this board it wouldn't matter who it was, they would still find something to complain about.

[94VegasCat]

Thank you for the vindication. I knew what I heard.

As far as fan behavior, we both have fans that can be unruly and that is unfortunate.

As for Bostick, I think that the comment is a deep rooted underhanded crack at Bostick. Bostick was a huge part of our offense, physically and spiritually. His senior leadership was huge to the team.

[WalkOn79]

I was also taken aback by the comment about our average tight end. It sounded to me like he went out of his way to make that point, not just once but about 3 times. More importantly the overall tone of the interview just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm glad to hear that at least some Grizzly boosters have voiced their concerns to the administration about the behavior of their head coach. Bobby, you've got a long ways to go to match coach Ash, both in win totals and in the Class department. I know how much the rivalry means to you as a former "student assistant", but you're 45 now!!

As far as the fans and player behavior. Sh-t happens at both venues which is unfortunate.

[SonomaCat]

It sounds like we have the validation from a reliable source (UM fan with lots of posts historically) ... and since it is now a confirmed discussion about factual events, I will move it back to the main board.

In discussing these events, let's try to get the debate civil and the smack at a minimum. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

[jagur1]

I was also taken aback by the comment about our average tight end. It sounded to me like he went out of his way to make that point, not just once but about 3 times. More importantly the overall tone of the interview just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm glad to hear that at least some Grizzly boosters have voiced their concerns to the administration about the behavior of their head coach. Bobby, you've got a long ways to go to match coach Ash, both in win totals and in the Class department. I know how much the rivalry means to you as a former "student assistant", but you're 45 now!!

As far as the fans and player behavior. Sh-t happens at both venues which is unfortunate.

Ash has a long ways to go in matching Bobby in ablity to win the Griz/Cat game. That's 2 years in a row Ash was out coached in the biggest game of the year for the Cats. I ask again why your back with 1200 yards isn't included in the Short yardage package when you have a 3rd string QB playing? Why on 4th and 2 down three scores in the 4th quarter you punt the ball? Last of all take the 3 at the start of the game settle the team down and let your D know that they don't have to use all of there energy in trying to pitch a shut out to win.

[Bleedinbluengold]

I can settle a part of this somewhat. I'm sorry, but it is correct that after Mike spoke to the team and then Bobby spoke, they did gather at midfield and chant FTC. After that they broke up, and people were allowed on the field.

What do I make about it? I don't like it. I don't like that you make a show of gathering at the middle of the field to talk/pray and then get up and chant FTC. But then I'm of the belief that the pray and that stuff can go on in the lockerroom and out of the public eye, it shouldn't be public.

However, what I am tired of is the whinning by posters over hear that somehow believe their team is above the fray. A friend of mine had an on the field pass and said some staffers and a couple of the assistant coaches were complete jerks. I asked if he had names, and he said he didn't but he did know that it was not Ash who was acting in that manner. He said most of was being comitted by a non-coaching staffer to another non- coaching Griz staffer, but he felt it was out of line.

I know for a fact we have a lot of classess fans. I hear it all the time and I heard it walking into the game as the Cats were walking out to the field to warmup. However, I also saw and heard the fans wishing Crawford the best and talking him up after the game.

What this comes down to is the fact that out of the last 22 years the Cats have one three games and one in Missoula. I wasn't in Bozeman when the Cats won, but I heard from Griz fans that it was not good in many ways. Now if you want to say, that was under Krammer and things are not the same, then fine. But while I am saying I wish they wouldn't have done it, I find it hard to believe you think that kind of stuff does not go on in Bozeman. It may not go on in the center of the field, but I would bet it happens in the lockerroom.

I don't like how Bobby deals with the media a lot of the time. And not that he listens or that I have any pull, I do send my concerns on to Bobby and O'Day. After all, they are representing Montana and I think that they need to hear that people disagree with some of the actions. But I can understand your dislike of Hauck, but for a lot of people on this board it wouldn't matter who it was, they would still find something to complain about.

I am really surprised that the griz football team did that chant. Man, that's just pathetic, really. I mean, it's one thing to have classless fans chanting that stuff (on both sides), but we all get that there are classless fans in the world. You just ignore those a$$es. When it comes from players, though, that's just not what the game is all about. Let drunken classless fans make fools of themselves. Players should be above that.

I think that in the case of this so-called rivalry, it's not really a rivalry on the gridiron any more. Ya, we were on the verge of gaining a measure of respect a couple years ago, but this game clearly showed we took another big step back for the second year in a row. We played the griz tougher in the 0-11 season.

3 wins in 22 years does not a rivalry make. So, it doesn't surprise me that MSU staff and fans might be more sensitive.

It's hard to get respect if you don't ever earn it.

[CapitalCityCat]

I watched the show and had a different take on it. I took it to mean that in relation to the importance to the team, it was a bigger deal to lose your first two quarterbacks than it was to lose your starting tight end. I don't think he meant to infer that Bostick was an average player. I rewound it a couple times to make sure, because I thought this would come up.

Benton,

I might agree with you had Hauck NOT said the word "average" to describe the TE. He could have simply said "losing your tight end isn't a big a deal as losing your 2 starting QB's". And considering that Phil Buck? didn't even ask him about specific player injuries, and Hauck commented about the "average TE" several times before commenting about the starting QBs? Something isn't right. Sorry.

[BentonGrizFan]

I watched the show and had a different take on it. I took it to mean that in relation to the importance to the team, it was a bigger deal to lose your first two quarterbacks than it was to lose your starting tight end. I don't think he meant to infer that Bostick was an average player. I rewound it a couple times to make sure, because I thought this would come up.

Benton,

I might agree with you had Hauck NOT said the word "average" to describe the TE. He could have simply said "losing your tight end isn't a big a deal as losing your 2 starting QB's". And considering that Phil Buck? didn't even ask him about specific player injuries, and Hauck commented about the "average TE" several times before commenting about the starting QBs? Something isn't right. Sorry.

Don't get me wrong. I thought he could have been more gracious in victory. I guess I took something different from it. I didn't think he meant your tight end was average. I thought he meant that the tight end position is an average position in relation to losing the top two quarterbacks on your team. I could be wrong. I have been before.

[Helcat72]

It seems to me that Hauck, being supposedly a grown-up, allows and even encourages adolescent behavior regarding trash talking. He is a bad loser as demonstrated in his first Bobcat/Griz game, but what has materialized in the last three years is that he is even a worse winner. I can't remember one head coach around the country who acts the way he does after beating their rival. You can be happy without making off the wall comments about how his team ground the opponent into the ground.

Our job is to try and beat them so he can't do that...so we have to take it...but we don't have to give him any respect as a sportsman or even a head coach worth coaching anywhere else. I really do think his actions will follow him and any institution that feels they have any class or honored tradition will re-consider if they want that sort of attitude brought out to represent their school. I think if he ever has a losing year he will be looking for a job as an assistant.

In the last two years I though Bobby was getting more mature about being a gracious winner, but this weekend was a total fall back to the first year if you ask me. He hasn't been able to overcome the fact that he never played the game...so he's still trying to be one of the players. How pathetic!

[94VegasCat]

Once again, thanks for the vindication. I didn't even need the stack of bibles to swear on, I had a griz fan that was just as disgusted.

ginwa, an apology is in order!

[GOKATS]

Hauck appears childishly insecure/immature to me at times and I thought this was just taking a cheap shot at a great player from Missoula that excelled at MSU. I could be wrong, I've never hid the fact that I really don't have any respect for Hauck.

[cats2506]

I was also taken aback by the comment about our average tight end. It sounded to me like he went out of his way to make that point, not just once but about 3 times. More importantly the overall tone of the interview just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm glad to hear that at least some Grizzly boosters have voiced their concerns to the administration about the behavior of their head coach. Bobby, you've got a long ways to go to match coach Ash, both in win totals and in the Class department. I know how much the rivalry means to you as a former "student assistant", but you're 45 now!!

As far as the fans and player behavior. Sh-t happens at both venues which is unfortunate.

Ash has a long ways to go in matching Bobby in ablity to win the Griz/Cat game. That's 2 years in a row Ash was out coached in the biggest game of the year for the Cats. I ask again why your back with 1200 yards isn't included in the Short yardage package when you have a 3rd string QB playing? Why on 4th and 2 down three scores in the 4th quarter you punt the ball? Last of all take the 3 at the start of the game settle the team down and let your D know that they don't have to use all of there energy in trying to pitch a shut out to win.

All year long we have used palmer in short yardage and goal line situations, it has worked quite well, evidence by our redzone efficency for the year, agreed it didnt work out that way on Saturday. I agreed with the 4th down call at the beginning of the game, we had the momentum at that poing and could very wel have taken over the game with 7, as it worked out you D line made the stops to take back the momentum and took over the game from that point on. In my veiw looking back that series determined the outcome of the game, if we had been successfull it game likley would have turned out ver different.

Subject of the thread: BH is a POS and some griz fans know it, some dont. This isnt saying anything about his coaching abilities.

[WalkOn79]

I was also taken aback by the comment about our average tight end. It sounded to me like he went out of his way to make that point, not just once but about 3 times. More importantly the overall tone of the interview just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm glad to hear that at least some Grizzly boosters have voiced their concerns to the administration about the behavior of their head coach. Bobby, you've got a long ways to go to match coach Ash, both in win totals and in the Class department. I know how much the rivalry means to you as a former "student assistant", but you're 45 now!!

As far as the fans and player behavior. Sh-t happens at both venues which is unfortunate.

Ash has a long ways to go in matching Bobby in ablity to win the Griz/Cat game. That's 2 years in a row Ash was out coached in the biggest game of the year for the Cats. I ask again why your back with 1200 yards isn't included in the Short yardage package when you have a 3rd string QB playing? Why on 4th and 2 down three scores in the 4th quarter you punt the ball? Last of all take the 3 at the start of the game settle the team down and let your D know that they don't have to use all of there energy in trying to pitch a shut out to win.

Even Bobby said he goes for it there, on the road to shut the crowd up. Other than that I agree with some of your thoughts on game-time coaching decisions on Saturday. I have no argument with Haucks ability as a coach, recruiter and motivator. I just don't think he has an ounce of grace or humility, and it shows almost every time he opens his mouth.

[LTown Cat]

Is this for real?

Good Lord....

No.


I listened to the show. BH was complimentary of the entire cat team.

The part about yelling FTC around Coach Hauck is not only ridiculous, but can be refuted by the thousands of people who were still in the stands. What the Griz DID after their prayer at midfield was turn around (like the rest of us) and watch the end of the Weber/Eastern game on the big screen. After that ended, they slowly made their way to the locker room. 94 is flat out making sh*t up in hopes people will believe it. Please move this crap to the SMACK board where it belongs

Nope GIW, you are wrong. The FTC chant absolutely happened. I happened to be standing with a Grizzly recruit and his father from Great Falls at the time--neither were very impressed and the father is a Griz fan (at least I gather that from the maroon coat he was wearing).

[GrizinWashington]

Look if it happened, I apologize. I have no spoken to roughly 45 people who were there and not one of them heard it or saw it, so I'll be honest, I have my doubts. I know for a fact it was NOT the entire team yelling, but perhaps a few random kids did. It was not precipitated by Bobby, and the entire team did not participate. Trust me, in that stadium, 100 men yelling FTC would have been audible to EVERYone still in there.

Bottom line is, nothing I say will change any of your minds about Hauck, much like nothing you could say would have made most Griz fans dislike Kramer any less. And nothing you could say would make me believe that Ash is anything but a complete non-factor in this game or the BSC. He's a good guy by all accounts, but as a coach? A non-factor.

[MTGriz12]

Having bad fans (on both sides) is an unfotunate part of a rivalry. I didn't see or hear the midfield incident but can assure you that no way did BH start or encourage the chant. I do think that BH hatred for the 'Cats is obvious, I just think as a head coach he shouldn't point it out publically as often as he did/does.

Another thought.....since there was a game on the big screen.....any chance the FTC by a few players was directed at Weber State Wildcats??? since with a loss to EWU the Griz would tie for the title and most likely get a seed?? probably a big stretch but still a possibility.

[SonomaCat]

I have no spoken to roughly 45 people who were there and not one of them heard it or saw it, so I'll be honest, I have my doubts. I know for a fact it was NOT the entire team yelling, but perhaps a few random kids did. It was not precipitated by Bobby, and the entire team did not participate. Trust me, in that stadium, 100 men yelling FTC would have been audible to EVERYone still in there.

Just out of curiosity ... where you there?

[elkmcc]

Is this for real?

Good Lord....

No.


I listened to the show. BH was complimentary of the entire cat team.

OMG! I swore to my wife I was not going to post anything negative towards Hauck or the Griz. But if you believe that GinWa, you are an absolute freaking idiot!!!!! Hauck clearly stated that losing an "average TE" is an easy injury to overcome and you know DAMN WELL it was a slap at Bostick. Hauck is a POS and this is exactly why I will be cheering for another Bobcat team this weekend!

You are being overly sensitive. I watched the show and certainly never construed BH's comment to refer to any player in particular. In fact i thought he was referring to losing a Griz tight end to an injury. He certainly never mentioned names. Any way I think BH was making an example of losing a less than critical position player as compared to a QB. He was complimenting MSU for their ability to overcome major injuries to key player and yet remain extremely competitive in the BSC. He was giving MSU an excuse for losing Saturday.

I wouldn't think that you would need any more ammunition to retain your hatred for Hauck. Why were you watching the BH show anyway?