Durr

MSUcantouchus · Post by **MSUcantouchus** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 6:53 pm

I have nothing against him and I like Durr as a person but he simply doesn't bring much to the table. I think he is playing a lot because there is no other backup for Diss.

Axton hit at least 2 threes in the fist ten minutes. Durr did not make a 3 in that game, and how could you possibly know how many points Axton scored when Durr was on him. Are you soley watching him and keeping track of all his stats? There are oly 2 reasons you would do this. You are family or you are in love with him.

just kidding, don't fly off the handle. Seriously, he doesn't do much when he is out there. 1.22 pts a game .56 assists a game and 1.11 rebounds a game. This is all in around 12 - 15 minutes. I just think there has to be someone else out there who can do what he does and offer the ability to score more than 1.22 pts a game and grab a board or two.

Just cause he is small town Mt boy doesn't mean he should get more chances at proving himself than others. Woodall for instance produced more and he rides the pine. Granted he plays a different position but I think he could handle Durr's role in the game just as well if not quite a bit better.

Would Woodall be playing more if he was white and from MT? Just a question. Not saying anyone is racist but it seems local boys get more of a chance.

CATTRACKER · Post by **CATTRACKER** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:30 pm

Pee'd, there you go again.

I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why you have chosen to "call out Dissly" and Durr. Every post you make is a derogatory comment on usually one of these two players. What is your story? Are you a frustrated Montana basketball player who didn't make it in D-1 ball, or just a jack ---? Whichever it is, it is not appropriate to keep dissing on these athletes. They have had a wonderful year, far exceeding expectations. They have melded as a team, something which was not expected, and we have to give Dissly and Durr a lot of credit for that. Carson is a hard worker and has developed tremendously this year, probably after being robbed of a red shirt season which could have helped his game tremendously. He hasn't quit improving and I expect he will continue to do so. Do you think your continued bashing is going to have any effect? I predict it will only continue to make other posters on BCN even more disgrunted and have even less positive regard for anything you say. It is quite apparent, to me and my co-fans, that Carson is always welcome on the floor by his teammates, and I can see and share their excitement when he is successful. I wish that you, Pee'd, could enjoy his success rather than continue with your negative diatribe on BCN. Maybe if you dump the chip on your shoulder you would enjoy that CAT's success more.

MSU01 · Post by **MSU01** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:52 pm

I've been very impressed with Durr. He could score more if that was his role, but it isn't. He's usually on the floor with Moss, Miller, Jefferson, Dissly, etc...those are the guys who put the ball in the hoop. Durr's two tipped out offensive rebounds were huge last night. Great teams have guys like Durr to go along with the "stars" like Dissly and Moss.

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:28 am

BobCatFan wrote:How can you be happy with a .500 record. Coach D needs to go after this season.

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How can you say this Fan... We are a (low) mid-major team. You should be happy to have Mick as the coach of the 'Cats. He is one of the better coaches in the league (holds the leauge record for all time wins..), and one of the better coaches in the mid-majors. Who are we gonna get to replace him? Mark Few? Coach K? Pitino? Be realistic.

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:18 am

grizzh8r wrote:
BobCatFan wrote:How can you be happy with a .500 record. Coach D needs to go after this season.
... How can you say this Fan... We are a (low) mid-major team. You should be happy to have Mick as the coach of the 'Cats. He is one of the better coaches in the league (holds the leauge record for all time wins..), and one of the better coaches in the mid-majors. Who are we gonna get to replace him? Mark Few? Coach K? Pitino? Be realistic.

I agree Mick has done a great job this year and he deserves a mention as the COY. However during his post game interview he again hedged by saying that "what really counts is the season schedule" and the "tournament is for the fans...not that important"... "we're one game from national TV, but anything could happen"..."we're going up to Portland and see what happens"...."we could lose the first game! " It's the old "glass is half empty" mentality "hedging" again! as if to say..."Don't say I didn't warn you ....we might not beat UM three times in a year"

Gosh Mick...just say anything could happen and leave it at that! Maybe you could even throw in "By God we're going up there and go for it all! No one would call you a liar if it didn't happen!

MSU88 · Post by **MSU88** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:49 am

peedintunnel wrote:I have nothing against him and I like Durr as a person but he simply doesn't bring much to the table. I think he is playing a lot because there is no other backup for Diss.

Axton hit at least 2 threes in the fist ten minutes. Durr did not make a 3 in that game, and how could you possibly know how many points Axton scored when Durr was on him. Are you soley watching him and keeping track of all his stats? There are oly 2 reasons you would do this. You are family or you are in love with him. just kidding, don't fly off the handle. Seriously, he doesn't do much when he is out there. 1.22 pts a game .56 assists a game and 1.11 rebounds a game. This is all in around 12 - 15 minutes. I just think there has to be someone else out there who can do what he does and offer the ability to score more than 1.22 pts a game and grab a board or two.

Would Woodall be playing more if he was white and from MT? Just a question. Not saying anyone is racist but it seems local boys get more of a chance.

First of all he has been playing the #4 not behind Dissly. Watch the game. Secondly, I am not related......simply a fan of Montana Class C Basketball and a follower of this kid in high school. His father and I know each other well and I do keep close track of what he does in a game.

Third, you keep going to stats.........he is, and never will be a stats player. He is sent out there to do a job and he does it. As far as Woodall goes, its not even close.........and I am sure Dennis is a good person as well. But you are not at practice and in coaches meetings. I am quite sure that at the D-1 level all coaches play to win, not satisfy others. This "local boy" didn't receive his chance until five weeks ago.

FootballFan · Post by **FootballFan** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:24 am

Hey BobCatFan, according to your logic Kramer should be fired also! 6-5, 7-6 records!

BTBCat · Post by **BTBCat** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:51 am

In any team sport, the overall success of the team will rely on ROLE PLAYERS this is most definately what Durr is. He is not out there to score 20 point per night. He has the tools to develop into a good scorer and defender, but that is not his job. I think he does a good job with what he is required to do and in a couple of years he will be a veteran senior who will be a key part of a possibly very good squad.

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:54 am

"This (win) feels good now, but it's going to feel really good next Saturday when we're not playing," said Bobcat coach Mick Durham, whose team joins regular season league champion Portland State with first round byes in the tourney.

While Championship Week catches the attention of college basketball fans nationwide, Durham says he and his team won't forget or underplay all that it has accomplished over the course of the last two months. "The conference tournament is great for fans, but it's a nightmare for coaches, except the ones that win," Durham said. "There are upsets all over the place. The atmosphere is fun and the intensity is great, but the regular season is really a better way to measure a team's success."

Couldnt agree with you more on this Helcat. Congrats on a great Big Sky Conference coach and great job turning around a season that started off just miserable, but your job is not done yet! Its quotes like those above that make me want to just beat my head against the wall. Wake up Mick, show some life, I'd do anything to see him inject some fire into the program. I know he isnt Mike Kramer, but its about time some of that rubbed off on Mick.

When Mick says things like this and is so non-chalant (sp?) about the BSC tourny, is it a coincidence that his team has only advanced to the NCAA's one time in his 13 or 14 years?

Is Mick's goal to win a championship or to just have a pleasant season every now and again?

MSU88 · Post by **MSU88** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:55 am

BTBCat wrote:In any team sport, the overall success of the team will rely on ROLE PLAYERS this is most definately what Durr is. He is not out there to score 20 point per night. He has the tools to develop into a good scorer and defender, but that is not his job. I think he does a good job with what he is required to do and in a couple of years he will be a veteran senior who will be a key part of a possibly very good squad.

Great observation.....thanks!

thetruth3 · Post by **thetruth3** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:41 am

Unfortunately with Durham I think we're getting into a Joe Paterno like situation. It is possible that if he were the coach in another program he may have lost his job long ago but he has been here for so long that he may be given more slack than other coaches around the country. That being said I will give him a lot of credit for this season with recruiting and the team's success in the conference, however I do agree with the rest of you on his comments in the paper. DEAR GOD!! confidence is such a huge deal in college athletics and if your players are reading that stuff from their coach it could cause a problem. However I hope that he knows his players and their psyche better than anyone and is handling the tourney in the best way he sees fit, but for us fans, I don't know if I can handle much more of that kind of nonsense!

CLUB 126 · Post by **CLUB 126** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:43 am

Give Durr the BSC coach of the year ok, ONE title every 15 years is that our satandard?????
you tell me!
Mick is an outstanding person!!!!!!!!! yes
is his production ok with you?

DoggyDo · Post by **DoggyDo** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:15 pm

You people that want Coach Durham fired need a reality check. He went out and recruited a bunch of new players. He has taken these new players to within an overtime game of a conference championship. All of those players are back again next year and he still has room to recruit a couple more to go with them. The overall record is not a big deal because they played a tough non-conference schedule and it takes time to shape and mold a brand new team. They lost several very close games and are that close to being a 18-9 squad. There is absolutely no reason to even think of getting rid of Coach Durham. He has done a great job and will only do that much better next year. Give the guy some credit for doing an outstanding job this season.

CLUB 126 · Post by **CLUB 126** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:43 pm

THis year he did a GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I ask again are you happy with the last fifteen or is your memory gone

what should be the expectations for a coach of fifteen yrs?

does it only apply to b-ball, it does NOT for football

answear?

CLUB 126 · Post by **CLUB 126** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:43 pm

THis year he did a GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I ask again are you happy with the last fifteen or is your memory gone

what should be the expectations for a coach of fifteen yrs?

does it only apply to b-ball, it does NOT for football

answear?

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:48 pm

CLUB 126 wrote:THis year he did a GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I ask again are you happy with the last fifteen or is your memory gone

what should be the expectations for a coach of fifteen yrs?

does it only apply to b-ball, it does NOT for football

answear?

Coaching is a game of "what have you done for me lately" and I would say that Durham has done a great job lately, and should receive the praise he deserves. I we were staying home again this year, then I might be on the get rid of Durham bandwagon, but I think he's done a great job since he has gotten rid of the hand cuffs know as the 5/8 rule.

CLUB 126 · Post by **CLUB 126** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:21 pm

for those of us that did not start to follow MSU b-ball this year, we have been ready for change 3-5 years ago.

track record is what have you done EVER!!

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:57 pm

I have no problem with Coach Durham as coach...just with the way he comes across about road games in general. It seems like he's afraid or tired of the road. He talks like they are un-winnable...and the only reason you win one is a streak of luck or a fluke ("maybe we can steal one now and then")

This may be his age showing...he may be tired of the grind. I think Casey has given him more energy this year, but he still hates the road especially late in the season. I remember playing softball when I was older, in foul weather, and feeling like I didn't want to be there...I don't know if everyone felt that way...but I also don't remember winning much.

If you don't really want to be there, and you are tired, sometimes you don't even have to say anything to affect others...just your body language affects them. If Mick hates road games...he may be inadvertently affecting his team. He came close at Sac St last week, but they also shot a terrible percentage and beat us at the wire. The rest of the road games later in the season were disasters.

AZCAT21 · Post by **AZCAT21** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:33 pm

WBTFG-Talk about what Durham has done for us lately, well he broke a streak of 2 years not making the playoffs, congratulations! Sarcasm there, we should very rarely not make the conference tourney. i can understand if we have some bad injuries but I'm sick of people trying to say that our teams have been hurt by the 5/8 rule. Were we the only program participating in this rule....no.

Sorry but I think we got a big hook up with Johnny Brown coming here, don't know if it is coincidence that Al Beye came but I would think a 6'11" kid with his upside would get a lot of looks. Brandon Miller is from Milwaukee, James Clark is from Milwaukee.

One last thought I have is the Big Sky is horrible. From watching the teams in our fieldhouse and evaluating our team I don't think it was a big surprise to get 2nd. besides Portland State, Montana, Sac State, and us there is nothing in the league.

MSU88 · Post by **MSU88** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:40 pm

I have two sons in the MSU Bobcat program. I swore I would never be part of this internet armchair coaching group, but after reading some of this I could not resist.

Coach Durham has done a wonderful job with this team this year. In addition he has treated my sons as if they were his. I was unable to watch the last two home games because of a tournament commitment I had in Billings, but the emotion my oldest son showed Coach Durham says it all for me.

Get off this kick and SUPPORT the Bobcats............they deserve all the support we can give.....picked dead last in the Big Sky to a tournament bye? How could anyone take the time to be critical of the coaches or players? Some people in this forum simply amaze me. These people have families, mothers and fathers......let's be positive and root for a hard working quality team that has exceeded all expectations.

Mick has been a loyal man and deserves to leave the program when he is darn well and ready............and for those Paterno bashers, he certainly deserves the same. There is an old saying, "No good deed goes unpunished." Keep this in mind. Coach Durham has done many good deeds during his career at MSU.............don't punish him for them.

My best wishes to the Cats at the Big Sky Tournament. On to the NCAA's and show all of us what you are made of!