Women's Basketball Team

Stingrays · Post by **Stingrays** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:31 pm

mquast53000 wrote:
Stingrays wrote:It's funny to hear boosters say things like that. I've never seen a booster make a basket or a TD or a goal. The development office is in charge of raising funds. It's easier for the development office to raise money when a team is winning. Thus the most important thing for a coach is his or her ability to know the X's and O's and to be able to teach that to the players.
It is funnier that you assume that a booster hasn't made a basket, TD or a goal.

You create a winning program with $$$! You can draw all the X's & O's that you want, but if you can not attract quality athletes because you lack acceptable facilities you will never have a winning season. I know that you need your head coach in college athletics to be a people person. Kramer is considered a great coach, yet he doesn't even have a winning record with the Cats. What does he do so well? He gets the fans and boosters excited about football, and in return he gets people to give money to the program, which in return will build a winning program. Anyone that thinks coaching is all about X's & O's in the college ranks is delusional!

How soon do you forget. Cal State Northridge had terrible facilities but they won the Big Sky in basketball. How did Northridge get the players to win the BSC?

How long before fans are going to demand wins from Kramer? Being a nice guy is great and all but in college athletics it's about winning. And if a guy isn't winning, he will be gone soon.

You should reread my posts. I never said college coaching was ALL about X and O. It is the most important thing.

mquast53000 · Post by **mquast53000** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:40 pm

Stingrays wrote: How soon do you forget. Cal State Northridge had terrible facilities but they won the Big Sky in basketball. How did Northridge get the players to win the BSC?

How long before fans are going to demand wins from Kramer? Being a nice guy is great and all but in college athletics it's about winning. And if a guy isn't winning, he will be gone soon.

You should reread my posts. I never said college coaching was ALL about X and O. It is the most important thing.

I didn't realize that one year of success made you a powerhouse. Northridge hasn't done squat in the past 5 years! You want to know why? Because like you said they have terrible facilities. A basketball program can get lucky once in awhile. You get 2 good players and you can field a decent team. You are bound to find a diamond in the rough once in awhile. I just think that you don't put enough emphasis on the coach’s ability to create revenue within their given program. I know that coaching is obviously an important aspect, but getting back to the original topic about our former WBB coach was bad with the boosters and fans and that resulted with a lose of revenue. You said that her relationship outside of her team didn’t matter. I said that it matter BIG time. That is the point that I was making. You lost sight of my original point.

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:10 pm

Stingrays wrote:
mquast53000 wrote:
Stingrays wrote:It's funny to hear boosters say things like that. I've never seen a booster make a basket or a TD or a goal. The development office is in charge of raising funds. It's easier for the development office to raise money when a team is winning. Thus the most important thing for a coach is his or her ability to know the X's and O's and to be able to teach that to the players.
It is funnier that you assume that a booster hasn't made a basket, TD or a goal.

You create a winning program with $$$! You can draw all the X's & O's that you want, but if you can not attract quality athletes because you lack acceptable facilities you will never have a winning season. I know that you need your head coach in college athletics to be a people person. Kramer is considered a great coach, yet he doesn't even have a winning record with the Cats. What does he do so well? He gets the fans and boosters excited about football, and in return he gets people to give money to the program, which in return will build a winning program. Anyone that thinks coaching is all about X's & O's in the college ranks is delusional!
How soon do you forget. Cal State Northridge had terrible facilities but they won the Big Sky in basketball. How did Northridge get the players to win the BSC?

How long before fans are going to demand wins from Kramer? Being a nice guy is great and all but in college athletics it's about winning. And if a guy isn't winning, he will be gone soon.

You should reread my posts. I never said college coaching was ALL about X and O. It is the most important thing.

You can defend Potera all you want, but I don't think you'll find many MSU supporters (athletes, administration, faculty, boosters, fans) who share your support for Potera.

I'm not sure why you aren't believing anyong here. There hasn't been a single person who has maid positive remarks about Potera, yet you continue to defend her. Why do you think that you know more about MSU women's bball than anyone on this board? Is this personal to you?

Bottom line: Potera was a cancer to our program, and we are now just barely starting to recover from the damage she inflicted on our program. You can feel sorry for Potera all you want, but I feel sorry for the girls, the administration, her assistant coaches, and the fans....NOT Robin!

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:12 pm

Stingrays wrote:...How long before fans are going to demand wins from Kramer? Being a nice guy is great and all but in college athletics it's about winning. And if a guy isn't winning, he will be gone soon...

Sting,

You seem to forget that we gave Hysell 8 years and he NEVER won the conference or took us to the playoffs, and only had us in the hunt in November once, if I remember correctly.

Yes, eventually Kramer's "act" will wear thin if he doesn't keep MSU at or near the top of the conference standings. Up to this point, however, he has done a remarkable job, IMO, not only in winning 2 BSC titles (and earning the accompanying playoff berths), but also in simply raising the overall excitement and interest in MSU football and MSU athletics in general. Again IMO, the guy has earned every penny he's been paid and if I were in the AD's seat (and the Board of Regents would allow it), I'd offer Kramer a 5 year deal right now.

BTW, good to have you aboard.

(Sorry for the hijack, women's BBall fans!)

Stingrays · Post by **Stingrays** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:27 pm

mquast53000 wrote:
Stingrays wrote: How soon do you forget. Cal State Northridge had terrible facilities but they won the Big Sky in basketball. How did Northridge get the players to win the BSC?

How long before fans are going to demand wins from Kramer? Being a nice guy is great and all but in college athletics it's about winning. And if a guy isn't winning, he will be gone soon.

You should reread my posts. I never said college coaching was ALL about X and O. It is the most important thing.
I didn't realize that one year of success made you a powerhouse. Northridge hasn't done squat in the past 5 years! You want to know why? Because like you said they have terrible facilities. A basketball program can get lucky once in awhile. You get 2 good players and you can field a decent team. You are bound to find a diamond in the rough once in awhile. I just think that you don't put enough emphasis on the coach’s ability to create revenue within their given program. I know that coaching is obviously an important aspect, but getting back to the original topic about our former WBB coach was bad with the boosters and fans and that resulted with a lose of revenue. You said that her relationship outside of her team didn’t matter. I said that it matter BIG time. That is the point that I was making. You lost sight of my original point.

Looks like you need to reread my posts too. I have never mentioned Potera in that post. Show me where I was talking about Potera IN THAT POST. NO WHERE.

I disagree with your original point because I have seen many cases where a coach is winning and is either a jerk (Bob Knight) or apathetic to fans/boosters.

It's boosters and fans who think they are the reason for the success of the program that ruins most programs. You're a booster of the team, you don't own the team with a donation.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:42 pm

No fans, no program. 'Nuff said there.

No boosters, no program.

ESPECIALLY at a school like MSU where the school itself doesn't generate enough money to keep certain sports rolling if fan support dwindles significantly.

The only way you can really get away with ignoring the boosters is if you are HELL of a coach, ala Knight, and the school is fairly well off financially.

All I know is whenever I start making decent money after (if) I graduate, I'm joining the QB club.

62GRIZ · Post by **62GRIZ** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:46 pm

You seem to forget that we gave Hysell 8 years and he NEVER won the conference or took us to the playoffs, and only had us in the hunt in November once, if I remember correctly.

So Ol' Krames is everything you hoped he would be. Funny that Hysell's record was 41-47 for a 46.6% winning record and Ol' Krames is clocking in at 42.4% (25-34). Seems that the program has gone a little stagnant these past couple years.

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:04 pm

62GRIZ wrote:
You seem to forget that we gave Hysell 8 years and he NEVER won the conference or took us to the playoffs, and only had us in the hunt in November once, if I remember correctly.
So Ol' Krames is everything you hoped he would be. Funny that Hysell's record was 41-47 for a 46.6% winning record and Ol' Krames is clocking in at 42.4% (25-34). Seems that the program has gone a little stagnant these past couple years.

I hate it when ignoramous Fizz fans post stupid smack like this. First of all, his first season was the 0-11 season, and he inherited a team in disarray, to say the least (thanks, in part, to Hysell). Take away that first year and he's 25-23 - not great, but not terrible, with 3 of the 4 remaining seasons winning seasons. And 2 of those seasons were BIG SKY CHAMPIONS seasons. 62GRIZ is still trying to shake off the terrible memories of losing to the Cats.

EDIT: Sorry for the thread Hijack - had to point out bad bear logic

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:05 pm

62GRIZ wrote:
You seem to forget that we gave Hysell 8 years and he NEVER won the conference or took us to the playoffs, and only had us in the hunt in November once, if I remember correctly.
So Ol' Krames is everything you hoped he would be. Funny that Hysell's record was 41-47 for a 46.6% winning record and Ol' Krames is clocking in at 42.4% (25-34). Seems that the program has gone a little stagnant these past couple years.

I know we have a good coach when griz fans slam him. I'd be worried if you all loved Kramer and wanted him to stick around forever.

Bottom line we are building a very solid program, and we are doing it the right way with good kids and hard work. I am a big fan of Krames and I hope he sticks around for a long time to come.

Back on topic: I also hope that coach Binford sticks around, and I look forward to her building our bball team into a perennial contender similarly to what Krames has done.