Portal Recruits

[Hi-Line Bobcat]

I’m currently working with ChatGPT and I will be declaring for the draft as well. All glory to God and my inner circle advisors. I forget, after careful thought and consideration I have decided to declare for the NFL draft.

[luckyirishguy25]

Not portal, but leaving UNM.

Good luck Jon, I hope you get your shot!

[tetoncat]

Just read an article that said as of yesterday, there is a record setting 3,300 players in the portal. Absolutely insane to think about. Surely some of those guys don't even find a place that will take them.

On GameDay, Rodriguez from Texas Tech talked about going to Virginia as a QB had a coaching change and went to portal. Had 0 offers. Old coaches called TT coach asked if had spot. He did but had to move to LB. He made comment about portal has risk.

[CodyCat]

Just read an article that said as of yesterday, there is a record setting 3,300 players in the portal. Absolutely insane to think about. Surely some of those guys don't even find a place that will take them.

On GameDay, Rodriguez from Texas Tech talked about going to Virginia as a QB had a coaching change and went to portal. Had 0 offers. Old coaches called TT coach asked if had spot. He did but had to move to LB. He made comment about portal has risk.

That was a great feature!

[catatac]

Best of luck to Jon - I hope he gets his shot! Also, I hope he knows that MSU is Division 1. Minor detail, but a slight pet peeve of mine.

[onceacat]

Sure would be nice to know what was happening on the 6th.

Some players will leave.

Some will stay.

Some posters will be very upset at those who leave. Others will defend their choice.

All posters will be happy when key players don’t leave.

Then it happens again after Spring Ball.

All of this will happen except the last sentence, since there's no longer a Spring portal window starting this year. We should have a pretty good idea by mid-January of who's leaving and who's staying.

If I was commissioner for a day there would be no spring ball, and only one portal, in MAY

Similar to what Nick Saban is saying every time they put him on TV.

Also, require contracts…um I mean ‘scholarships’ to be multi year. No coaching interviews allowed until after the season.

There are some other really easy fixes, but it would require the NCAA to actually function as a governing organization of a sports league instead of a get rich quick scheme for a handful of well connected people.

[ZebraCat]

Sure would be nice to know what was happening on the 6th.

Some players will leave.

Some will stay.

Some posters will be very upset at those who leave. Others will defend their choice.

All posters will be happy when key players don’t leave.

Then it happens again after Spring Ball.

All of this will happen except the last sentence, since there's no longer a Spring portal window starting this year. We should have a pretty good idea by mid-January of who's leaving and who's staying.

If I was commissioner for a day there would be no spring ball, and only one portal, in MAY

Similar to what Nick Saban is saying every time they put him on TV.

Also, require contracts…um I mean ‘scholarships’ to be multi year. No coaching interviews allowed until after the season.

There are some other really easy fixes, but it would require the NCAA to actually function as a governing organization of a sports league instead of a get rich quick scheme for a handful of well connected people.

Contracts are the big thing in my opinion. There should be contracts for any player receiving a scholarship or NIL money. Just like everything professional league, the player and school/coaches negotiate said contract. School offers 4 years, full scholarship and 20K per year in NIL, the player can counter. The player thinks they're going to be worth more after 2 years of development so they counter for 2 years and 15K per year NIL as incentive for the school to reduce the years.

[NewEra]

Colon Amick-Griz OL in the portal

[BobCatFan]

I’m currently working with ChatGPT and I will be declaring for the draft as well. All glory to God and my inner circle advisors. I forget, after careful thought and consideration I have decided to declare for the NFL draft.

First round draft pick coming up.

[BobCatFan]

Just read an article that said as of yesterday, there is a record setting 3,300 players in the portal. Absolutely insane to think about. Surely some of those guys don't even find a place that will take them.

On GameDay, Rodriguez from Texas Tech talked about going to Virginia as a QB had a coaching change and went to portal. Had 0 offers. Old coaches called TT coach asked if had spot. He did but had to move to LB. He made comment about portal has risk.

Portal questions: if you declare and no team wants you, what happens next?

If you declare during the playoffs, can you still play?

[BobcatDel]

Sure would be nice to know what was happening on the 6th.

Some players will leave.

Some will stay.

Some posters will be very upset at those who leave. Others will defend their choice.

All posters will be happy when key players don’t leave.

Then it happens again after Spring Ball.

All of this will happen except the last sentence, since there's no longer a Spring portal window starting this year. We should have a pretty good idea by mid-January of who's leaving and who's staying.

If I was commissioner for a day there would be no spring ball, and only one portal, in MAY

Similar to what Nick Saban is saying every time they put him on TV.

Also, require contracts…um I mean ‘scholarships’ to be multi year. No coaching interviews allowed until after the season.

There are some other really easy fixes, but it would require the NCAA to actually function as a governing organization of a sports league instead of a get rich quick scheme for a handful of well connected people.

Contracts are the big thing in my opinion. There should be contracts for any player receiving a scholarship or NIL money. Just like everything professional league, the player and school/coaches negotiate said contract. School offers 4 years, full scholarship and 20K per year in NIL, the player can counter. The player thinks they're going to be worth more after 2 years of development so they counter for 2 years and 15K per year NIL as incentive for the school to reduce the years.

No agent engagements also outside set periods after end of season and agents must report to university contacts made.

I like the contract idea. Needs more thought put into it.
Example, I do not agree with 4 year guarantees without performance clauses both for scholarship and performance on the field.

I also believe that the school needs to be compensated either by the acquiring university (my preferred scenario) or the player buying out his development expenses out of his pocket for development investments incurred by the university if he leaves before competing year 3.

No 4 year guarantees without performance… a simple example…let’s just assume a “real student” (sarcasm quote courtesy Yale) earns an academic scholarships after Sophomore year. Let’s just assume that his scholarship was full ride for junior, senior and graduate years with guaranteed degree outcome…. with no performance clauses…. I quickly realize I’ve hit the jackpot, my alcohol consumption increases dramatically, class attendance slips to zip, I’m found drunk in the ditch in front of Hedges after beating up an ex girlfriend and dragging her into the lobby of Hedges by her hair, I’m thrown in jail for shoplifting and assault and run my car through the front door of Pryor Hall because the doors are locked and I have to get my date in by 3 am. I become known as the biggest dealer between Spokane and Minneapolis for cocaine, heroin, and opioids and am openly selling out of my lemonade stand on campus. But by golly I’ve got my scholarship and degree guaranteed…it’s the good life.

Same scenarios can apply to athletics performance. Let’s just say I’ve made the two deep and I’m now guaranteed scholarship and NIL. But I quit going to weight room, attending practice, positions meetings are a waste of my time, gain 30 pounds and my 40 drops from 4.5 to 5.0….but I’m guaranteed so no problem. And since my scholarship has the team scholarship limits tied up…as a coach I can’t even sign, scout, invite to camp kids that are superior athletes to me…no reason for me to work my behind off to stay ahead of new recruits and worthy of being on the two deep. I became known as the kid who gives the coach the finger leaving the field after practices I do attend.

A recipe for attaining mediocrity in my opinion.

But the contract idea has a lot of merit if thought through correctly.

[onceacat]

Sure would be nice to know what was happening on the 6th.

Some players will leave.

Some will stay.

Some posters will be very upset at those who leave. Others will defend their choice.

All posters will be happy when key players don’t leave.

Then it happens again after Spring Ball.

All of this will happen except the last sentence, since there's no longer a Spring portal window starting this year. We should have a pretty good idea by mid-January of who's leaving and who's staying.

If I was commissioner for a day there would be no spring ball, and only one portal, in MAY

Similar to what Nick Saban is saying every time they put him on TV.

Also, require contracts…um I mean ‘scholarships’ to be multi year. No coaching interviews allowed until after the season.

There are some other really easy fixes, but it would require the NCAA to actually function as a governing organization of a sports league instead of a get rich quick scheme for a handful of well connected people.

Contracts are the big thing in my opinion. There should be contracts for any player receiving a scholarship or NIL money. Just like everything professional league, the player and school/coaches negotiate said contract. School offers 4 years, full scholarship and 20K per year in NIL, the player can counter. The player thinks they're going to be worth more after 2 years of development so they counter for 2 years and 15K per year NIL as incentive for the school to reduce the years.

And buyouts. If a kid leaves before the contract is up, there’s needs to be a buyout clause.

[onceacat]

Sure would be nice to know what was happening on the 6th.

Some players will leave.

Some will stay.

Some posters will be very upset at those who leave. Others will defend their choice.

All posters will be happy when key players don’t leave.

Then it happens again after Spring Ball.

All of this will happen except the last sentence, since there's no longer a Spring portal window starting this year. We should have a pretty good idea by mid-January of who's leaving and who's staying.

If I was commissioner for a day there would be no spring ball, and only one portal, in MAY

Similar to what Nick Saban is saying every time they put him on TV.

Also, require contracts…um I mean ‘scholarships’ to be multi year. No coaching interviews allowed until after the season.

There are some other really easy fixes, but it would require the NCAA to actually function as a governing organization of a sports league instead of a get rich quick scheme for a handful of well connected people.

Contracts are the big thing in my opinion. There should be contracts for any player receiving a scholarship or NIL money. Just like everything professional league, the player and school/coaches negotiate said contract. School offers 4 years, full scholarship and 20K per year in NIL, the player can counter. The player thinks they're going to be worth more after 2 years of development so they counter for 2 years and 15K per year NIL as incentive for the school to reduce the years.

No agent engagements also outside set periods after end of season and agents must report to university contacts made.

I like the contract idea. Needs more thought put into it.
Example, I do not agree with 4 year guarantees without performance clauses both for scholarship and performance on the field.

I also believe that the school needs to be compensated either by the acquiring university (my preferred scenario) or the player buying out his development expenses out of his pocket for development investments incurred by the university if he leaves before competing year 3.

No 4 year guarantees without performance… a simple example…let’s just assume a “real student” (sarcasm quote courtesy Yale) earns an academic scholarships after Sophomore year. Let’s just assume that his scholarship was full ride for junior, senior and graduate years with guaranteed degree outcome…. with no performance clauses…. I quickly realize I’ve hit the jackpot, my alcohol consumption increases dramatically, class attendance slips to zip, I’m found drunk in the ditch in front of Hedges after beating up an ex girlfriend and dragging her into the lobby of Hedges by her hair, I’m thrown in jail for shoplifting and assault and run my car through the front door of Pryor Hall because the doors are locked and I have to get my date in by 3 am. I become known as the biggest dealer between Spokane and Minneapolis for cocaine, heroin, and opioids and am openly selling out of my lemonade stand on campus. But by golly I’ve got my scholarship and degree guaranteed…it’s the good life.

Same scenarios can apply to athletics performance. Let’s just say I’ve made the two deep and I’m now guaranteed scholarship and NIL. But I quit going to weight room, attending practice, positions meetings are a waste of my time, gain 30 pounds and my 40 drops from 4.5 to 5.0….but I’m guaranteed so no problem. And since my scholarship has the team scholarship limits tied up…as a coach I can’t even sign, scout, invite to camp kids that are superior athletes to me…no reason for me to work my behind off to stay ahead of new recruits and worthy of being on the two deep. I became known as the kid who gives the coach the finger leaving the field after practices I do attend.

A recipe for attaining mediocrity in my opinion.

But the contract idea has a lot of merit if thought through correctly.

Every professional athlete in every professional sports league has those sorts of clauses in their contract.

Every pro sports league EXCePT NCAA football which is still pretending not to be a pro sports league.

Which is where the problem lies. As long as the NCAA pretends it’s not pro sports, they can keep milking the golden goose (to mix metaphors)

[ZebraCat]

Sure would be nice to know what was happening on the 6th.

Some players will leave.

Some will stay.

Some posters will be very upset at those who leave. Others will defend their choice.

All posters will be happy when key players don’t leave.

Then it happens again after Spring Ball.

All of this will happen except the last sentence, since there's no longer a Spring portal window starting this year. We should have a pretty good idea by mid-January of who's leaving and who's staying.

If I was commissioner for a day there would be no spring ball, and only one portal, in MAY

Similar to what Nick Saban is saying every time they put him on TV.

Also, require contracts…um I mean ‘scholarships’ to be multi year. No coaching interviews allowed until after the season.

There are some other really easy fixes, but it would require the NCAA to actually function as a governing organization of a sports league instead of a get rich quick scheme for a handful of well connected people.

Contracts are the big thing in my opinion. There should be contracts for any player receiving a scholarship or NIL money. Just like everything professional league, the player and school/coaches negotiate said contract. School offers 4 years, full scholarship and 20K per year in NIL, the player can counter. The player thinks they're going to be worth more after 2 years of development so they counter for 2 years and 15K per year NIL as incentive for the school to reduce the years.

No agent engagements also outside set periods after end of season and agents must report to university contacts made.

I like the contract idea. Needs more thought put into it.
Example, I do not agree with 4 year guarantees without performance clauses both for scholarship and performance on the field.

I also believe that the school needs to be compensated either by the acquiring university (my preferred scenario) or the player buying out his development expenses out of his pocket for development investments incurred by the university if he leaves before competing year 3.

No 4 year guarantees without performance… a simple example…let’s just assume a “real student” (sarcasm quote courtesy Yale) earns an academic scholarships after Sophomore year. Let’s just assume that his scholarship was full ride for junior, senior and graduate years with guaranteed degree outcome…. with no performance clauses…. I quickly realize I’ve hit the jackpot, my alcohol consumption increases dramatically, class attendance slips to zip, I’m found drunk in the ditch in front of Hedges after beating up an ex girlfriend and dragging her into the lobby of Hedges by her hair, I’m thrown in jail for shoplifting and assault and run my car through the front door of Pryor Hall because the doors are locked and I have to get my date in by 3 am. I become known as the biggest dealer between Spokane and Minneapolis for cocaine, heroin, and opioids and am openly selling out of my lemonade stand on campus. But by golly I’ve got my scholarship and degree guaranteed…it’s the good life.

Same scenarios can apply to athletics performance. Let’s just say I’ve made the two deep and I’m now guaranteed scholarship and NIL. But I quit going to weight room, attending practice, positions meetings are a waste of my time, gain 30 pounds and my 40 drops from 4.5 to 5.0….but I’m guaranteed so no problem. And since my scholarship has the team scholarship limits tied up…as a coach I can’t even sign, scout, invite to camp kids that are superior athletes to me…no reason for me to work my behind off to stay ahead of new recruits and worthy of being on the two deep. I became known as the kid who gives the coach the finger leaving the field after practices I do attend.

A recipe for attaining mediocrity in my opinion.

But the contract idea has a lot of merit if thought through correctly.

Nothing you said would be bad at all. I didn't write out my whole idea (it would be extremely long). I started at 4 years and 2 years as a baseline for negotiations. I don't think many schools would offer a 4 year contract, unless they felt a guy was a project that may not start until year 3 or 4. At the FCS level I could see 2 and 3 year deals being the norm for HS guys when they first.

As both you and @onceacat stated below, buyouts are a must. At a minimum the total cost of the scholarship for the years attended. Also something that would be included in negotiations though. The acquiring school could be the one paying it, but that'd be up to them and the player based off their negotiations.

[onceacat]

Sure would be nice to know what was happening on the 6th.

Some players will leave.

Some will stay.

Some posters will be very upset at those who leave. Others will defend their choice.

All posters will be happy when key players don’t leave.

Then it happens again after Spring Ball.

All of this will happen except the last sentence, since there's no longer a Spring portal window starting this year. We should have a pretty good idea by mid-January of who's leaving and who's staying.

If I was commissioner for a day there would be no spring ball, and only one portal, in MAY

Similar to what Nick Saban is saying every time they put him on TV.

Also, require contracts…um I mean ‘scholarships’ to be multi year. No coaching interviews allowed until after the season.

There are some other really easy fixes, but it would require the NCAA to actually function as a governing organization of a sports league instead of a get rich quick scheme for a handful of well connected people.

Contracts are the big thing in my opinion. There should be contracts for any player receiving a scholarship or NIL money. Just like everything professional league, the player and school/coaches negotiate said contract. School offers 4 years, full scholarship and 20K per year in NIL, the player can counter. The player thinks they're going to be worth more after 2 years of development so they counter for 2 years and 15K per year NIL as incentive for the school to reduce the years.

No agent engagements also outside set periods after end of season and agents must report to university contacts made.

I like the contract idea. Needs more thought put into it.
Example, I do not agree with 4 year guarantees without performance clauses both for scholarship and performance on the field.

I also believe that the school needs to be compensated either by the acquiring university (my preferred scenario) or the player buying out his development expenses out of his pocket for development investments incurred by the university if he leaves before competing year 3.

No 4 year guarantees without performance… a simple example…let’s just assume a “real student” (sarcasm quote courtesy Yale) earns an academic scholarships after Sophomore year. Let’s just assume that his scholarship was full ride for junior, senior and graduate years with guaranteed degree outcome…. with no performance clauses…. I quickly realize I’ve hit the jackpot, my alcohol consumption increases dramatically, class attendance slips to zip, I’m found drunk in the ditch in front of Hedges after beating up an ex girlfriend and dragging her into the lobby of Hedges by her hair, I’m thrown in jail for shoplifting and assault and run my car through the front door of Pryor Hall because the doors are locked and I have to get my date in by 3 am. I become known as the biggest dealer between Spokane and Minneapolis for cocaine, heroin, and opioids and am openly selling out of my lemonade stand on campus. But by golly I’ve got my scholarship and degree guaranteed…it’s the good life.

Same scenarios can apply to athletics performance. Let’s just say I’ve made the two deep and I’m now guaranteed scholarship and NIL. But I quit going to weight room, attending practice, positions meetings are a waste of my time, gain 30 pounds and my 40 drops from 4.5 to 5.0….but I’m guaranteed so no problem. And since my scholarship has the team scholarship limits tied up…as a coach I can’t even sign, scout, invite to camp kids that are superior athletes to me…no reason for me to work my behind off to stay ahead of new recruits and worthy of being on the two deep. I became known as the kid who gives the coach the finger leaving the field after practices I do attend.

A recipe for attaining mediocrity in my opinion.

But the contract idea has a lot of merit if thought through correctly.

Nothing you said would be bad at all. I didn't write out my whole idea (it would be extremely long). I started at 4 years and 2 years as a baseline for negotiations. I don't think many schools would offer a 4 year contract, unless they felt a guy was a project that may not start until year 3 or 4. At the FCS level I could see 2 and 3 year deals being the norm for HS guys when they first.

As both you and @onceacat stated below, buyouts are a must. At a minimum the total cost of the scholarship for the years attended. Also something that would be included in negotiations though. The acquiring school could be the one paying it, but that'd be up to them and the player based off their negotiations.

Every pro sports league in the world offers minimum rookie contracts.

Except NCAA Football & basketball.

If a school isn’t willing to offer 5 years guaranteed (barring things like academic failure or refusal to practice) then a kid should 100% jump at the first chance he had.

You can’t possibly expect a kid to make a commitment to a team that won’t make a commitment to him.

The problems with the portal run in both directions. Why hold kids to a higher standard than their team?

[ZebraCat]

Sure would be nice to know what was happening on the 6th.

Some players will leave.

Some will stay.

Some posters will be very upset at those who leave. Others will defend their choice.

All posters will be happy when key players don’t leave.

Then it happens again after Spring Ball.

All of this will happen except the last sentence, since there's no longer a Spring portal window starting this year. We should have a pretty good idea by mid-January of who's leaving and who's staying.

If I was commissioner for a day there would be no spring ball, and only one portal, in MAY

Similar to what Nick Saban is saying every time they put him on TV.

Also, require contracts…um I mean ‘scholarships’ to be multi year. No coaching interviews allowed until after the season.

There are some other really easy fixes, but it would require the NCAA to actually function as a governing organization of a sports league instead of a get rich quick scheme for a handful of well connected people.

Contracts are the big thing in my opinion. There should be contracts for any player receiving a scholarship or NIL money. Just like everything professional league, the player and school/coaches negotiate said contract. School offers 4 years, full scholarship and 20K per year in NIL, the player can counter. The player thinks they're going to be worth more after 2 years of development so they counter for 2 years and 15K per year NIL as incentive for the school to reduce the years.

No agent engagements also outside set periods after end of season and agents must report to university contacts made.

I like the contract idea. Needs more thought put into it.
Example, I do not agree with 4 year guarantees without performance clauses both for scholarship and performance on the field.

I also believe that the school needs to be compensated either by the acquiring university (my preferred scenario) or the player buying out his development expenses out of his pocket for development investments incurred by the university if he leaves before competing year 3.

No 4 year guarantees without performance… a simple example…let’s just assume a “real student” (sarcasm quote courtesy Yale) earns an academic scholarships after Sophomore year. Let’s just assume that his scholarship was full ride for junior, senior and graduate years with guaranteed degree outcome…. with no performance clauses…. I quickly realize I’ve hit the jackpot, my alcohol consumption increases dramatically, class attendance slips to zip, I’m found drunk in the ditch in front of Hedges after beating up an ex girlfriend and dragging her into the lobby of Hedges by her hair, I’m thrown in jail for shoplifting and assault and run my car through the front door of Pryor Hall because the doors are locked and I have to get my date in by 3 am. I become known as the biggest dealer between Spokane and Minneapolis for cocaine, heroin, and opioids and am openly selling out of my lemonade stand on campus. But by golly I’ve got my scholarship and degree guaranteed…it’s the good life.

Same scenarios can apply to athletics performance. Let’s just say I’ve made the two deep and I’m now guaranteed scholarship and NIL. But I quit going to weight room, attending practice, positions meetings are a waste of my time, gain 30 pounds and my 40 drops from 4.5 to 5.0….but I’m guaranteed so no problem. And since my scholarship has the team scholarship limits tied up…as a coach I can’t even sign, scout, invite to camp kids that are superior athletes to me…no reason for me to work my behind off to stay ahead of new recruits and worthy of being on the two deep. I became known as the kid who gives the coach the finger leaving the field after practices I do attend.

A recipe for attaining mediocrity in my opinion.

But the contract idea has a lot of merit if thought through correctly.

Nothing you said would be bad at all. I didn't write out my whole idea (it would be extremely long). I started at 4 years and 2 years as a baseline for negotiations. I don't think many schools would offer a 4 year contract, unless they felt a guy was a project that may not start until year 3 or 4. At the FCS level I could see 2 and 3 year deals being the norm for HS guys when they first.

As both you and @onceacat stated below, buyouts are a must. At a minimum the total cost of the scholarship for the years attended. Also something that would be included in negotiations though. The acquiring school could be the one paying it, but that'd be up to them and the player based off their negotiations.

Every pro sports league in the world offers minimum rookie contracts.

Except NCAA Football & basketball.

If a school isn’t willing to offer 5 years guaranteed (barring things like academic failure or refusal to practice) then a kid should 100% jump at the first chance he had.

You can’t possibly expect a kid to make a commitment to a team that won’t make a commitment to him.

The problems with the portal run in both directions. Why hold kids to a higher standard than their team?

This is a discussion for a different thread, but players are the ones not wanting years long commitments right now, not the schools. No kids with FBS or NFL aspirations are going to sign 5 year deals at FCS schools with buyouts.

[onceacat]

Not going to keep quoting, but that’s 100% absurd to say you can’t fill a national championship caliber roster around guys on a 5 year scholarship plus $20k in NIL plus insurance on career ending injuries.

The Cats would ve turning down dudes with that offer.

[lutecat]

Pinnick portalling now.

[Bocephus]

Pinnick portalling now.

Bummer. Wonder if he’ll give up baseball?

[75Cat]

I'm really surprised Jake Vigen never really got there in terms of being a major contributor.

Still time. When you are the coach's kid you havr to be noticably better than anyone else or folks think you're only playing because you're the coach's kid.

Edit: Unless you are Robbie.

Did Everybody saw Little Robbie telling Daddy what was what in the Brawl 2 slapdown?