Justin Lamson Transfers in

[Prodigal Cat]

I firmly believe Lamson is coming here because he knows he’s going to start. It’s probably his last chance at playing, he knows that. Now I’m not saying he was promised the job, but I’m sure that it was implied if he’s as good as they think he is, he’s starting.

He ain’t coming here to share the QB position.

I'm sure no former D1 drop-down ever thinks they're going to do anything but own the #1 job at an FCS school. I'm sure former rivals.com 4 star Tyler Bruggman didn't expect to sit for Chris Murray, nor did 3 star logan Fife think he'd have to share time with some freshman legacy kid. I mean, I hope Lamson is Tommy Mellott and Cam Miller in one package. But if he is he hasn't shown it yet, is all I'm saying.

Oh the hope I had for Tyler Bruggman...

Don't be too hard on yourself. Bruggman probably wasn't as bad as a lot of us think. He had a lot working against him. First, he was not a super athletic guy that could make something out of nothing ala Chris Murray, which is what MSU needed because that team wasn't anything like the teams at MSU now. His coach was Choate, who did very little in terms of developing a QB here. MSU went 4-7 that year.

Ehh... Maybe I'm miss-reading your comment here but that 2016 team had Gunnar Brekke, Chad Newell and Nick LaSane along with a pretty solid Offensive line. Mitchell Herbert and few other weapons including freshman Kevin Kassis at WR. They were plenty talented and the real missing piece was an effective QB. There was plenty around TB for him to succeed. That team would have been a borderline playoff squad If Prukop stuck around.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I firmly believe Lamson is coming here because he knows he’s going to start. It’s probably his last chance at playing, he knows that. Now I’m not saying he was promised the job, but I’m sure that it was implied if he’s as good as they think he is, he’s starting.

He ain’t coming here to share the QB position.

Jordan Reed, Chance Wilson,Patrick Duchien, Thomas Buchanan, Grant Vigen and River Warren came here to start.

You’re missing the point.


I don’t think he comes here unless he was given indicators from the coaches that he’s the likely starter.

If he didn't look at the QB roster, including coaches, and the team's success and decide -- on his own -- that he has a really good chance at starting here, then...well, you should be able to fill in the rest. If the coaches had to give him "indicators" then I would think they wouldn't have offered him a spot on the team.

You’re right. Playing time is never a discussion that incoming transfers and coaches have during the recruiting process. It’s totally all up the player to evaluate the depth chart by himself with no input or indicators from the coaches.

A transfer QB with 1-2 years left to play is going to confirm and talk to coaches about playing time. Let’s not be obtuse about the process.

[VimSince03]

I firmly believe Lamson is coming here because he knows he’s going to start. It’s probably his last chance at playing, he knows that. Now I’m not saying he was promised the job, but I’m sure that it was implied if he’s as good as they think he is, he’s starting.

He ain’t coming here to share the QB position.

I'm sure no former D1 drop-down ever thinks they're going to do anything but own the #1 job at an FCS school. I'm sure former rivals.com 4 star Tyler Bruggman didn't expect to sit for Chris Murray, nor did 3 star logan Fife think he'd have to share time with some freshman legacy kid. I mean, I hope Lamson is Tommy Mellott and Cam Miller in one package. But if he is he hasn't shown it yet, is all I'm saying.

Oh the hope I had for Tyler Bruggman...

Don't be too hard on yourself. Bruggman probably wasn't as bad as a lot of us think. He had a lot working against him. First, he was not a super athletic guy that could make something out of nothing ala Chris Murray, which is what MSU needed because that team wasn't anything like the teams at MSU now. His coach was Choate, who did very little in terms of developing a QB here. MSU went 4-7 that year.

Bruggman definitely flashed because the talent was evident but his inability to "make plays" really hurt that offense because they desperately needed a spark from somewhere. However, you put a guy like him in a late 2010s NDSU offense? He's golden as he was great off play-action and could hit the deep ball which is really what NDSU needed consistently from their QB. I mean let's be honest...Choate's QB plan was the high school QB plan of "take the best athlete and toss him back there". Sure Tucker Rovig was recruited and Choate talked himself into thinking that was the type of QB he wanted when we all knew he just wanted to go triple-option with the best athlete and let it rip.

[technoCat]

I firmly believe Lamson is coming here because he knows he’s going to start. It’s probably his last chance at playing, he knows that. Now I’m not saying he was promised the job, but I’m sure that it was implied if he’s as good as they think he is, he’s starting.

He ain’t coming here to share the QB position.

I'm sure no former D1 drop-down ever thinks they're going to do anything but own the #1 job at an FCS school. I'm sure former rivals.com 4 star Tyler Bruggman didn't expect to sit for Chris Murray, nor did 3 star logan Fife think he'd have to share time with some freshman legacy kid. I mean, I hope Lamson is Tommy Mellott and Cam Miller in one package. But if he is he hasn't shown it yet, is all I'm saying.

Oh the hope I had for Tyler Bruggman...

Don't be too hard on yourself. Bruggman probably wasn't as bad as a lot of us think. He had a lot working against him. First, he was not a super athletic guy that could make something out of nothing ala Chris Murray, which is what MSU needed because that team wasn't anything like the teams at MSU now. His coach was Choate, who did very little in terms of developing a QB here. MSU went 4-7 that year.

How about the Jonsen, 4 star dual-threat from Oregon that came here and broke his foot and then turned out couldn't throw the ball more than 10 feet... I thought that guy was going to OWN the league. Still had a decent impact but nothing like I was hoping.

[mslacatfan]

All I know is that I trust Vigen’s ability to identify talent at the QB position. His track record throughout his coaching career is pretty incredible.

[SparkCat]

From my observations, Lamson will be extremely similar to Chambers. If he comes to play and out right wins the QB competition, I’ll trust he’s a hell of a QB. if he doesn’t win the competition, damn who ever beat him is one hell of a QB. Pros I like about Lamson and from what I have observed with Wilson is they get pumped to play, and are out there to make something happen. The players seem to enjoy Chance and I hope that Lamson can come in as a team player/leader. This is a win/win for us.

[GoodTimesAllTheTime]

I firmly believe Lamson is coming here because he knows he’s going to start. It’s probably his last chance at playing, he knows that. Now I’m not saying he was promised the job, but I’m sure that it was implied if he’s as good as they think he is, he’s starting.

He ain’t coming here to share the QB position.

I'm sure no former D1 drop-down ever thinks they're going to do anything but own the #1 job at an FCS school. I'm sure former rivals.com 4 star Tyler Bruggman didn't expect to sit for Chris Murray, nor did 3 star logan Fife think he'd have to share time with some freshman legacy kid. I mean, I hope Lamson is Tommy Mellott and Cam Miller in one package. But if he is he hasn't shown it yet, is all I'm saying.

Oh the hope I had for Tyler Bruggman...

Don't be too hard on yourself. Bruggman probably wasn't as bad as a lot of us think. He had a lot working against him. First, he was not a super athletic guy that could make something out of nothing ala Chris Murray, which is what MSU needed because that team wasn't anything like the teams at MSU now. His coach was Choate, who did very little in terms of developing a QB here. MSU went 4-7 that year.

How about the Jonsen, 4 star dual-threat from Oregon that came here and broke his foot and then turned out couldn't throw the ball more than 10 feet... I thought that guy was going to OWN the league. Still had a decent impact but nothing like I was hoping.

You mean 1st team All-Big Sky, NFL player Travis Jonsen? If Lamson has that level of impact, I’d be thrilled.

[imacat]

I firmly believe Lamson is coming here because he knows he’s going to start. It’s probably his last chance at playing, he knows that. Now I’m not saying he was promised the job, but I’m sure that it was implied if he’s as good as they think he is, he’s starting.

He ain’t coming here to share the QB position.

Jordan Reed, Chance Wilson,Patrick Duchien, Thomas Buchanan, Grant Vigen and River Warren came here to start.

You’re missing the point.


I don’t think he comes here unless he was given indicators from the coaches that he’s the likely starter.

What I am trying to say is I don’t believe Vigen is going to tell Lamson (or any recruit) sign with us and you will start. Think about the message that would send to the rest of team. It is much more likely something like, the position is open and you will be given every opportunity to compete.

[TomCat88]

I firmly believe Lamson is coming here because he knows he’s going to start. It’s probably his last chance at playing, he knows that. Now I’m not saying he was promised the job, but I’m sure that it was implied if he’s as good as they think he is, he’s starting.

He ain’t coming here to share the QB position.

Jordan Reed, Chance Wilson,Patrick Duchien, Thomas Buchanan, Grant Vigen and River Warren came here to start.

You’re missing the point.


I don’t think he comes here unless he was given indicators from the coaches that he’s the likely starter.

If he didn't look at the QB roster, including coaches, and the team's success and decide -- on his own -- that he has a really good chance at starting here, then...well, you should be able to fill in the rest. If the coaches had to give him "indicators" then I would think they wouldn't have offered him a spot on the team.

You’re right. Playing time is never a discussion that incoming transfers and coaches have during the recruiting process. It’s totally all up the player to evaluate the depth chart by himself with no input or indicators from the coaches.

A transfer QB with 1-2 years left to play is going to confirm and talk to coaches about playing time. Let’s not be obtuse about the process.

Maybe read something two or three times so you don’t take what someone says out of context. Also, re-read your post so that you’re not taking yourself out of context or look like you’re moving the goalposts.

[ike11ike]

I firmly believe Lamson is coming here because he knows he’s going to start. It’s probably his last chance at playing, he knows that. Now I’m not saying he was promised the job, but I’m sure that it was implied if he’s as good as they think he is, he’s starting.

He ain’t coming here to share the QB position.

Jordan Reed, Chance Wilson,Patrick Duchien, Thomas Buchanan, Grant Vigen and River Warren came here to start.

You’re missing the point.


I don’t think he comes here unless he was given indicators from the coaches that he’s the likely starter.

If he didn't look at the QB roster, including coaches, and the team's success and decide -- on his own -- that he has a really good chance at starting here, then...well, you should be able to fill in the rest. If the coaches had to give him "indicators" then I would think they wouldn't have offered him a spot on the team.

You’re right. Playing time is never a discussion that incoming transfers and coaches have during the recruiting process. It’s totally all up the player to evaluate the depth chart by himself with no input or indicators from the coaches.

A transfer QB with 1-2 years left to play is going to confirm and talk to coaches about playing time. Let’s not be obtuse about the process.

Maybe read something two or three times so you don’t take what someone says out of context. Also, re-read your post so that you’re not taking yourself out of context or look like you’re moving the goalposts.

[Cataholic]

I firmly believe Lamson is coming here because he knows he’s going to start. It’s probably his last chance at playing, he knows that. Now I’m not saying he was promised the job, but I’m sure that it was implied if he’s as good as they think he is, he’s starting.

He ain’t coming here to share the QB position.

Jordan Reed, Chance Wilson,Patrick Duchien, Thomas Buchanan, Grant Vigen and River Warren came here to start.

You’re missing the point.


I don’t think he comes here unless he was given indicators from the coaches that he’s the likely starter.

If he didn't look at the QB roster, including coaches, and the team's success and decide -- on his own -- that he has a really good chance at starting here, then...well, you should be able to fill in the rest. If the coaches had to give him "indicators" then I would think they wouldn't have offered him a spot on the team.

You’re right. Playing time is never a discussion that incoming transfers and coaches have during the recruiting process. It’s totally all up the player to evaluate the depth chart by himself with no input or indicators from the coaches.

A transfer QB with 1-2 years left to play is going to confirm and talk to coaches about playing time. Let’s not be obtuse about the process.

I didn’t think Tom was being obtuse. But it sounds like you were sitting in for the recruitment meetings. I am sure every kid they talk to is told that they will play if they are good enough. That it is an open competition for play. You are saying that he wasn’t promised the job, but he was given indicators that he would start. Please explain. That comment seems to be taken directly from an obtuse Hollywood movie script.

As for Tom’s point, it would seem that MSU just lost the Payton Award winner at QB. There was also no heir apparent for the spot. Just read the 10 gazillion posts about QB on this site. It would seem that any 4 star prospect from Stanford is capable of making a decision on himself to come and play. He didn’t need any promises or indicators. Maybe you are the one being obtuse.

[TomCat88]

I firmly believe Lamson is coming here because he knows he’s going to start. It’s probably his last chance at playing, he knows that. Now I’m not saying he was promised the job, but I’m sure that it was implied if he’s as good as they think he is, he’s starting.

He ain’t coming here to share the QB position.

I'm sure no former D1 drop-down ever thinks they're going to do anything but own the #1 job at an FCS school. I'm sure former rivals.com 4 star Tyler Bruggman didn't expect to sit for Chris Murray, nor did 3 star logan Fife think he'd have to share time with some freshman legacy kid. I mean, I hope Lamson is Tommy Mellott and Cam Miller in one package. But if he is he hasn't shown it yet, is all I'm saying.

Oh the hope I had for Tyler Bruggman...

Don't be too hard on yourself. Bruggman probably wasn't as bad as a lot of us think. He had a lot working against him. First, he was not a super athletic guy that could make something out of nothing ala Chris Murray, which is what MSU needed because that team wasn't anything like the teams at MSU now. His coach was Choate, who did very little in terms of developing a QB here. MSU went 4-7 that year.

Ehh... Maybe I'm miss-reading your comment here but that 2016 team had Gunnar Brekke, Chad Newell and Nick LaSane along with a pretty solid Offensive line. Mitchell Herbert and few other weapons including freshman Kevin Kassis at WR. They were plenty talented and the real missing piece was an effective QB. There was plenty around TB for him to succeed. That team would have been a borderline playoff squad If Prukop stuck around.

Prukop could certainly make something out nothing. The main point is that Bruggman wasn’t that type of player. I shouldn’t have said that the players weren’t “anything like” the current group. Poor wording on my part.

[catatac]

I firmly believe Lamson is coming here because he knows he’s going to start. It’s probably his last chance at playing, he knows that. Now I’m not saying he was promised the job, but I’m sure that it was implied if he’s as good as they think he is, he’s starting.

He ain’t coming here to share the QB position.

Jordan Reed, Chance Wilson,Patrick Duchien, Thomas Buchanan, Grant Vigen and River Warren came here to start.

You’re missing the point.


I don’t think he comes here unless he was given indicators from the coaches that he’s the likely starter.

If he didn't look at the QB roster, including coaches, and the team's success and decide -- on his own -- that he has a really good chance at starting here, then...well, you should be able to fill in the rest. If the coaches had to give him "indicators" then I would think they wouldn't have offered him a spot on the team.

You’re right. Playing time is never a discussion that incoming transfers and coaches have during the recruiting process. It’s totally all up the player to evaluate the depth chart by himself with no input or indicators from the coaches.

A transfer QB with 1-2 years left to play is going to confirm and talk to coaches about playing time. Let’s not be obtuse about the process.

I would guess at how this discussion played out... "We've done our research on you and it appears you're a true team player, you work extremely hard, and you're going to do anything you can to help your team win. If not, we wouldn't be talking to you. We think you have the mind set and ability to be the starter here, but you're going to have to out work and our perform the other QBs on the roster and earn it."

[PapaG]

Nobody here knows the current QB room more than Vigen, and he decided to take in a grad transfer with playing experience and add him to the roster.

Make of that what you will.

[ike11ike]

Nobody here knows the current QB room more than Vigen, and he decided to take in a grad transfer with playing experience and add him to the roster.

Make of that what you will.

This is the key thought.

[TomCat88]

Nobody here knows the current QB room more than Vigen, and he decided to take in a grad transfer with playing experience and add him to the roster.

Make of that what you will.

If I see someone fall down and they’re screaming in pain and there’s a bone sticking out from their skin, I don’t need an orthopedic surgeon to tell me that it’s a broken bone.

[Hi-Line Bobcat]

I know players were actively texting and recruiting this kid to come to MSU, right after the championship game. I don’t know if the coaches were recruiting him first or after they found out the players wanted him to come here. I don’t know how the players know this kid, but they wanted him to come to MSU, right after the championship game.

[PHAT CAT]

Nobody here knows the current QB room more than Vigen, and he decided to take in a grad transfer with playing experience and add him to the roster.

Make of that what you will.

If I see someone fall down and they’re screaming in pain and there’s a bone sticking out from their skin, I don’t need an orthopedic surgeon to tell me that it’s a broken bone.

[Lord Vigo]

I firmly believe Lamson is coming here because he knows he’s going to start. It’s probably his last chance at playing, he knows that. Now I’m not saying he was promised the job, but I’m sure that it was implied if he’s as good as they think he is, he’s starting.

He ain’t coming here to share the QB position.

Jordan Reed, Chance Wilson,Patrick Duchien, Thomas Buchanan, Grant Vigen and River Warren came here to start.

You’re missing the point.


I don’t think he comes here unless he was given indicators from the coaches that he’s the likely starter.

If he didn't look at the QB roster, including coaches, and the team's success and decide -- on his own -- that he has a really good chance at starting here, then...well, you should be able to fill in the rest. If the coaches had to give him "indicators" then I would think they wouldn't have offered him a spot on the team.

You’re right. Playing time is never a discussion that incoming transfers and coaches have during the recruiting process. It’s totally all up the player to evaluate the depth chart by himself with no input or indicators from the coaches.

A transfer QB with 1-2 years left to play is going to confirm and talk to coaches about playing time. Let’s not be obtuse about the process.

Maybe read something two or three times so you don’t take what someone says out of context. Also, re-read your post so that you’re not taking yourself out of context or look like you’re moving the goalposts.

These responses are so tedious.

He said that Lamson was almost certainly told he’s coming here to play or he wouldn’t have come. That is very likely.

[catatac]

I think a lot of this back and forth is silly because nobody really knows how the discussions played out but I'm in the camp saying there is no way in hell Vigen told this kid, "If you come to MSU you're the guaranteed starting QB day 1, regardless of how you look in Fall camp." lol