Portal Recruits

[nanacat]

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[tdub]

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I love this. I would only add one thing. He suggests one freebie transfer. And also talked about these 4 school transfers without a degree. So I say one free transfer, until you graduate, then you can have one more. So you can transfer twice, but you have to have a degree. It puts the importance of school back in play.

[nanacat]

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I love this. I would only add one thing. He suggests one freebie transfer. And also talked about these 4 school transfers without a degree. So I say one free transfer, until you graduate, then you can have one more. So you can transfer twice, but you have to have a degree. It puts the importance of school back in play.

Yup great idea! Forgetting the STUDENT-athlete part is alot of the problem. I thing his thoughts were very valid.

[MSU01]

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I love this. I would only add one thing. He suggests one freebie transfer. And also talked about these 4 school transfers without a degree. So I say one free transfer, until you graduate, then you can have one more. So you can transfer twice, but you have to have a degree. It puts the importance of school back in play.

Isn't this pretty much exactly the rule the NCAA tried to impose until someone sued and the courts ruled against the NCAA?

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

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I love this. I would only add one thing. He suggests one freebie transfer. And also talked about these 4 school transfers without a degree. So I say one free transfer, until you graduate, then you can have one more. So you can transfer twice, but you have to have a degree. It puts the importance of school back in play.

You do realize cal is flat out lying. When you transfer you have to have certain amount of credits to be eligible to play, plus these kids take summer school as well. These kids are graduating. He just ways to stock pile kids.... when a coach leaves a school for more money do they have to sit out a year, if it's their second job? If they get fired do they have to sit out? See what cal isn't talking about is these coaches push kids out so what about those kids that are basically made to go in the portal? Is fine the way it is... yes you are going to lose kids every year, so what... learn how to evaluate and keep kids on your team...

[onceacat]

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I love this. I would only add one thing. He suggests one freebie transfer. And also talked about these 4 school transfers without a degree. So I say one free transfer, until you graduate, then you can have one more. So you can transfer twice, but you have to have a degree. It puts the importance of school back in play.

Isn't this pretty much exactly the rule the NCAA tried to impose until someone sued and the courts ruled against the NCAA?

Yep. In order for the NCAA to enact these sorts of rules, it would need to allow schools to have enforceable contracts with athletes. But the big problem with that is that doing so would get rid of the fiction that these are STUDENTS (insert the famous quote from the Yale coach here) and the athletes would become employees.

If the athletes become employees (legally speaking) then they have workplace rights, like the right to organize a union and create a collective bargaining agreement (just like every other professional sports league). At that point, the employer is on the hook for things like Work Comp, which is significantly more expensive than the insurance that schools currently carry on athletes. They would also be forced to split revenue with the 'employees' in a way that would be far less profitable for the administrators, coaches, and NCAA officials.

The bottom line? Either football players are students, in which case the NCAA is really limited on enforcing any sort of rules. Or the NCAA just admits that these guys are professional athletes and people getting rich off this take a big pay cut.

Its pretty obvious why the NCAA, administrators, and coaches have leaned hard into the first option.

[tdub]

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I love this. I would only add one thing. He suggests one freebie transfer. And also talked about these 4 school transfers without a degree. So I say one free transfer, until you graduate, then you can have one more. So you can transfer twice, but you have to have a degree. It puts the importance of school back in play.

You do realize cal is flat out lying. When you transfer you have to have certain amount of credits to be eligible to play, plus these kids take dinner school as well. These kids are graduating. He just ways to stock pile kids.... when a coach leaves a evil for more money do they have to sit out a year, if it's their second job? If they get fired do they have to sit out? See what cal isn't talking about is these coaches push kids out so what about those kids that are basically made to go in the portal? Is fine the way it is... yes you are going to lose kids every year, so what... learn how to evaluate and keep kids on your team...

I don’t just assume he’s lying. Taking it at face value is all as it’s a good discussion point. My whole point was that if there were some boundaries, make graduation part of it. So there’s a ‘reward’ for graduating.
I was, and my kids were college athletes so I’m very supportive of the athlete in all this mess. I support compensation, but also feel there needs to a way to maintain integrity in the NIL system. I think the key to fixing everything is coming up with a solution for the insanity of NIL. Things like enforcing inappropriate contact. Kids getting sold NIL deals prior to portal windows opening is an issue.
For school, I understand the credits taken to remain eligible (12), but also understand credits don’t transfer many times and with multiple transfers it can be very difficult to graduate prior to eligibility expiring on a traditional path (not medical redshirt, prior covid redshirts, etc…).
Other caveats that I think should remain if something like he’s talking about is implemented. If a coach leaves, that transfer doesn’t count against your freebie. It ties coach loyalty to the system.
At the end of the day, I absolutely don’t have a perfect solution, but there needs to be a path to create stability in the system without unduly punishing an athlete.

[onceacat]

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DS0yIlbF ... tyMm9nZg==

I love this. I would only add one thing. He suggests one freebie transfer. And also talked about these 4 school transfers without a degree. So I say one free transfer, until you graduate, then you can have one more. So you can transfer twice, but you have to have a degree. It puts the importance of school back in play.

You do realize cal is flat out lying. When you transfer you have to have certain amount of credits to be eligible to play, plus these kids take dinner school as well. These kids are graduating. He just ways to stock pile kids.... when a coach leaves a evil for more money do they have to sit out a year, if it's their second job? If they get fired do they have to sit out? See what cal isn't talking about is these coaches push kids out so what about those kids that are basically made to go in the portal? Is fine the way it is... yes you are going to lose kids every year, so what... learn how to evaluate and keep kids on your team...

I mean, they only have to take 12 credits a semester, which is basically a half time load. There are a lot of these guys who aren't on track to graduate in 5 years (although a bunch of them do...it's a really mixed bag).

But you are also correct about coaches silent cutting guys in order to try to bring in an upgrade.

I personally think they should just abandon the absurd pretense that these guys are students & accept that (at least at the top level) these guys, in fact, "Dont go to real school or take real classes" to paraphrase something from another thread.

[tetoncat]

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I love this. I would only add one thing. He suggests one freebie transfer. And also talked about these 4 school transfers without a degree. So I say one free transfer, until you graduate, then you can have one more. So you can transfer twice, but you have to have a degree. It puts the importance of school back in play.

You do realize cal is flat out lying. When you transfer you have to have certain amount of credits to be eligible to play, plus these kids take dinner school as well. These kids are graduating. He just ways to stock pile kids.... when a coach leaves a evil for more money do they have to sit out a year, if it's their second job? If they get fired do they have to sit out? See what cal isn't talking about is these coaches push kids out so what about those kids that are basically made to go in the portal? Is fine the way it is... yes you are going to lose kids every year, so what... learn how to evaluate and keep kids on your team...

I would agree with you if you concede that both the coach and players have a job. Pro teams don't have the same kind of turnover college coaches are expected to deal with. Also need to remember it is a small % of teams paying and players that are getting life changing money. Most athletes are D3, D2, NAIA, FCS, and low level FBS.

Something I have not understood. If argument is they should make that money. Why do players at Alabama for example, who start and are obviously making money, transferring. It's not money, its not playing time?

[tetoncat]

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I love this. I would only add one thing. He suggests one freebie transfer. And also talked about these 4 school transfers without a degree. So I say one free transfer, until you graduate, then you can have one more. So you can transfer twice, but you have to have a degree. It puts the importance of school back in play.

Isn't this pretty much exactly the rule the NCAA tried to impose until someone sued and the courts ruled against the NCAA?

Yep. In order for the NCAA to enact these sorts of rules, it would need to allow schools to have enforceable contracts with athletes. But the big problem with that is that doing so would get rid of the fiction that these are STUDENTS (insert the famous quote from the Yale coach here) and the athletes would become employees.

If the athletes become employees (legally speaking) then they have workplace rights, like the right to organize a union and create a collective bargaining agreement (just like every other professional sports league). At that point, the employer is on the hook for things like Work Comp, which is significantly more expensive than the insurance that schools currently carry on athletes. They would also be forced to split revenue with the 'employees' in a way that would be far less profitable for the administrators, coaches, and NCAA officials.

The bottom line? Either football players are students, in which case the NCAA is really limited on enforcing any sort of rules. Or the NCAA just admits that these guys are professional athletes and people getting rich off this take a big pay cut.

Its pretty obvious why the NCAA, administrators, and coaches have leaned hard into the first option.

Ooh yes. Let's split revenue. So all except about 20 schools can expect the players to pay them since they don't generate more revenue than their expenses. How many business that are profitable have to go to their customers and ask for money to pay their employees, build new facilities, etc.

[onceacat]

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DS0yIlbF ... tyMm9nZg==

I love this. I would only add one thing. He suggests one freebie transfer. And also talked about these 4 school transfers without a degree. So I say one free transfer, until you graduate, then you can have one more. So you can transfer twice, but you have to have a degree. It puts the importance of school back in play.

You do realize cal is flat out lying. When you transfer you have to have certain amount of credits to be eligible to play, plus these kids take dinner school as well. These kids are graduating. He just ways to stock pile kids.... when a coach leaves a evil for more money do they have to sit out a year, if it's their second job? If they get fired do they have to sit out? See what cal isn't talking about is these coaches push kids out so what about those kids that are basically made to go in the portal? Is fine the way it is... yes you are going to lose kids every year, so what... learn how to evaluate and keep kids on your team...

I would agree with you if you concede that both the coach and players have a job. Pro teams don't have the same kind of turnover college coaches are expected to deal with. Also need to remember it is a small % of teams paying and players that are getting life changing money. Most athletes are D3, D2, NAIA, FCS, and low level FBS.

Something I have not understood. If argument is they should make that money. Why do players at Alabama for example, who start and are obviously making money, transferring. It's not money, its not playing time?

You gotta remember that these guys are 18-22 years old. Teenagers & dudes in their early 20s aren't exactly known for making the best decisions.

Of course, it's not just players. Ole Miss (reportedly) matched Lane Kiffens offer from LSU, but Kiffen decided to abandon a team that could win a championship for a rebuild at a near .500 team. If its not about winning a championship, and its not about money, its hard to tell exactly what it is that is motivating these guys.

[tetoncat]

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DS0yIlbF ... tyMm9nZg==

I love this. I would only add one thing. He suggests one freebie transfer. And also talked about these 4 school transfers without a degree. So I say one free transfer, until you graduate, then you can have one more. So you can transfer twice, but you have to have a degree. It puts the importance of school back in play.

You do realize cal is flat out lying. When you transfer you have to have certain amount of credits to be eligible to play, plus these kids take dinner school as well. These kids are graduating. He just ways to stock pile kids.... when a coach leaves a evil for more money do they have to sit out a year, if it's their second job? If they get fired do they have to sit out? See what cal isn't talking about is these coaches push kids out so what about those kids that are basically made to go in the portal? Is fine the way it is... yes you are going to lose kids every year, so what... learn how to evaluate and keep kids on your team...

I would agree with you if you concede that both the coach and players have a job. Pro teams don't have the same kind of turnover college coaches are expected to deal with. Also need to remember it is a small % of teams paying and players that are getting life changing money. Most athletes are D3, D2, NAIA, FCS, and low level FBS.

Something I have not understood. If argument is they should make that money. Why do players at Alabama for example, who start and are obviously making money, transferring. It's not money, its not playing time?

You gotta remember that these guys are 18-22 years old. Teenagers & dudes in their early 20s aren't exactly known for making the best decisions.

Of course, it's not just players. Ole Miss (reportedly) matched Lane Kiffens offer from LSU, but Kiffen decided to abandon a team that could win a championship for a rebuild at a near .500 team. If its not about winning a championship, and its not about money, its hard to tell exactly what it is that is motivating these guys.

It is his career. It isn't a career for 99% of athletes.

[onceacat]

Here's an idea...
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DS0yIlbF ... tyMm9nZg==

I love this. I would only add one thing. He suggests one freebie transfer. And also talked about these 4 school transfers without a degree. So I say one free transfer, until you graduate, then you can have one more. So you can transfer twice, but you have to have a degree. It puts the importance of school back in play.

Isn't this pretty much exactly the rule the NCAA tried to impose until someone sued and the courts ruled against the NCAA?

Yep. In order for the NCAA to enact these sorts of rules, it would need to allow schools to have enforceable contracts with athletes. But the big problem with that is that doing so would get rid of the fiction that these are STUDENTS (insert the famous quote from the Yale coach here) and the athletes would become employees.

If the athletes become employees (legally speaking) then they have workplace rights, like the right to organize a union and create a collective bargaining agreement (just like every other professional sports league). At that point, the employer is on the hook for things like Work Comp, which is significantly more expensive than the insurance that schools currently carry on athletes. They would also be forced to split revenue with the 'employees' in a way that would be far less profitable for the administrators, coaches, and NCAA officials.

The bottom line? Either football players are students, in which case the NCAA is really limited on enforcing any sort of rules. Or the NCAA just admits that these guys are professional athletes and people getting rich off this take a big pay cut.

Its pretty obvious why the NCAA, administrators, and coaches have leaned hard into the first option.

Ooh yes. Let's split revenue. So all except about 20 schools can expect the players to pay them since they don't generate more revenue than their expenses. How many business that are profitable have to go to their customers and ask for money to pay their employees, build new facilities, etc.

Thats why pro sports leagues do revenue sharing and have salary caps & multi-year contracts. You can't have a pro sports league without a bunch of losing teams.

Oregon still needs to play MSU, so...yeah.

Thats literally how pro sports work. (It is worth noting that in most cases for most pro sports leagues, taxpayers build facilities. Teams don't build their own facilities any more than FBS football players are required to do 'real school' or go to 'real class'. Honestly I'm surprised at the level of self delusion that people have regarding the way pro sports work in the real world. And I say that as a fan.)

[onceacat]

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DS0yIlbF ... tyMm9nZg==

I love this. I would only add one thing. He suggests one freebie transfer. And also talked about these 4 school transfers without a degree. So I say one free transfer, until you graduate, then you can have one more. So you can transfer twice, but you have to have a degree. It puts the importance of school back in play.

You do realize cal is flat out lying. When you transfer you have to have certain amount of credits to be eligible to play, plus these kids take dinner school as well. These kids are graduating. He just ways to stock pile kids.... when a coach leaves a evil for more money do they have to sit out a year, if it's their second job? If they get fired do they have to sit out? See what cal isn't talking about is these coaches push kids out so what about those kids that are basically made to go in the portal? Is fine the way it is... yes you are going to lose kids every year, so what... learn how to evaluate and keep kids on your team...

I would agree with you if you concede that both the coach and players have a job. Pro teams don't have the same kind of turnover college coaches are expected to deal with. Also need to remember it is a small % of teams paying and players that are getting life changing money. Most athletes are D3, D2, NAIA, FCS, and low level FBS.

Something I have not understood. If argument is they should make that money. Why do players at Alabama for example, who start and are obviously making money, transferring. It's not money, its not playing time?

You gotta remember that these guys are 18-22 years old. Teenagers & dudes in their early 20s aren't exactly known for making the best decisions.

Of course, it's not just players. Ole Miss (reportedly) matched Lane Kiffens offer from LSU, but Kiffen decided to abandon a team that could win a championship for a rebuild at a near .500 team. If its not about winning a championship, and its not about money, its hard to tell exactly what it is that is motivating these guys.

It is his career. It isn't a career for 99% of athletes.

Not sure what your point is.

[tetoncat]

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I love this. I would only add one thing. He suggests one freebie transfer. And also talked about these 4 school transfers without a degree. So I say one free transfer, until you graduate, then you can have one more. So you can transfer twice, but you have to have a degree. It puts the importance of school back in play.

You do realize cal is flat out lying. When you transfer you have to have certain amount of credits to be eligible to play, plus these kids take dinner school as well. These kids are graduating. He just ways to stock pile kids.... when a coach leaves a evil for more money do they have to sit out a year, if it's their second job? If they get fired do they have to sit out? See what cal isn't talking about is these coaches push kids out so what about those kids that are basically made to go in the portal? Is fine the way it is... yes you are going to lose kids every year, so what... learn how to evaluate and keep kids on your team...

I would agree with you if you concede that both the coach and players have a job. Pro teams don't have the same kind of turnover college coaches are expected to deal with. Also need to remember it is a small % of teams paying and players that are getting life changing money. Most athletes are D3, D2, NAIA, FCS, and low level FBS.

Something I have not understood. If argument is they should make that money. Why do players at Alabama for example, who start and are obviously making money, transferring. It's not money, its not playing time?

You gotta remember that these guys are 18-22 years old. Teenagers & dudes in their early 20s aren't exactly known for making the best decisions.

Of course, it's not just players. Ole Miss (reportedly) matched Lane Kiffens offer from LSU, but Kiffen decided to abandon a team that could win a championship for a rebuild at a near .500 team. If its not about winning a championship, and its not about money, its hard to tell exactly what it is that is motivating these guys.

It is his career. It isn't a career for 99% of athletes.

Not sure what your point is.

You are comparing Kiffin, a coach, to players moving and taking better offers. One has a career and the others don't. I don't think they are comparable.

[onceacat]

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I love this. I would only add one thing. He suggests one freebie transfer. And also talked about these 4 school transfers without a degree. So I say one free transfer, until you graduate, then you can have one more. So you can transfer twice, but you have to have a degree. It puts the importance of school back in play.

You do realize cal is flat out lying. When you transfer you have to have certain amount of credits to be eligible to play, plus these kids take dinner school as well. These kids are graduating. He just ways to stock pile kids.... when a coach leaves a evil for more money do they have to sit out a year, if it's their second job? If they get fired do they have to sit out? See what cal isn't talking about is these coaches push kids out so what about those kids that are basically made to go in the portal? Is fine the way it is... yes you are going to lose kids every year, so what... learn how to evaluate and keep kids on your team...

I would agree with you if you concede that both the coach and players have a job. Pro teams don't have the same kind of turnover college coaches are expected to deal with. Also need to remember it is a small % of teams paying and players that are getting life changing money. Most athletes are D3, D2, NAIA, FCS, and low level FBS.

Something I have not understood. If argument is they should make that money. Why do players at Alabama for example, who start and are obviously making money, transferring. It's not money, its not playing time?

You gotta remember that these guys are 18-22 years old. Teenagers & dudes in their early 20s aren't exactly known for making the best decisions.

Of course, it's not just players. Ole Miss (reportedly) matched Lane Kiffens offer from LSU, but Kiffen decided to abandon a team that could win a championship for a rebuild at a near .500 team. If its not about winning a championship, and its not about money, its hard to tell exactly what it is that is motivating these guys.

It is his career. It isn't a career for 99% of athletes.

Not sure what your point is.

You are comparing Kiffin, a coach, to players moving and taking better offers. One has a career and the others don't. I don't think they are comparable.

So it's different to take a better JOB offer than to take a sideways CAREER offer? A handful of these guys are going to make a career of football, are the standards for them transferring different?

Again, I don't really understand how it's different for a 45 year old coach to make a job change for no net financial benefit, but it's not OK for a student to do so...simply because its a 5 year job and not a lifetime career?

Doesn't make any sense.

[tetoncat]

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I love this. I would only add one thing. He suggests one freebie transfer. And also talked about these 4 school transfers without a degree. So I say one free transfer, until you graduate, then you can have one more. So you can transfer twice, but you have to have a degree. It puts the importance of school back in play.

You do realize cal is flat out lying. When you transfer you have to have certain amount of credits to be eligible to play, plus these kids take dinner school as well. These kids are graduating. He just ways to stock pile kids.... when a coach leaves a evil for more money do they have to sit out a year, if it's their second job? If they get fired do they have to sit out? See what cal isn't talking about is these coaches push kids out so what about those kids that are basically made to go in the portal? Is fine the way it is... yes you are going to lose kids every year, so what... learn how to evaluate and keep kids on your team...

I would agree with you if you concede that both the coach and players have a job. Pro teams don't have the same kind of turnover college coaches are expected to deal with. Also need to remember it is a small % of teams paying and players that are getting life changing money. Most athletes are D3, D2, NAIA, FCS, and low level FBS.

Something I have not understood. If argument is they should make that money. Why do players at Alabama for example, who start and are obviously making money, transferring. It's not money, its not playing time?

You gotta remember that these guys are 18-22 years old. Teenagers & dudes in their early 20s aren't exactly known for making the best decisions.

Of course, it's not just players. Ole Miss (reportedly) matched Lane Kiffens offer from LSU, but Kiffen decided to abandon a team that could win a championship for a rebuild at a near .500 team. If its not about winning a championship, and its not about money, its hard to tell exactly what it is that is motivating these guys.

It is his career. It isn't a career for 99% of athletes.

Not sure what your point is.

You are comparing Kiffin, a coach, to players moving and taking better offers. One has a career and the others don't. I don't think they are comparable.

So it's different to take a better JOB offer than to take a sideways CAREER offer? A handful of these guys are going to make a career of football, are the standards for them transferring different?

Again, I don't really understand how it's different for a 45 year old coach to make a job change for no net financial benefit, but it's not OK for a student to do so...simply because its a 5 year job and not a lifetime career?

Doesn't make any sense.

Are they student athletes or pros. One is a career and one not. Small % will make it a career. Until they make them employees I just don't agree with the process. My overall point is there are 1000s in the portal that are not improving their situation. A minority do so the fallacy is out there it is a gain or benefit for all my point was those who are already set up well with income and playing time. What is their benefit. Your example Kiffin is likely making more money, but if neutral is still moving to spot with more prestige and deeper pockets to help him recruit in future years.

[PHAT CAT]

How about we stick to who is in the portal. Who might be coming in and who's leaving. If you want to argue about it, start another thread. Good lord.

[GrizgradCatFan]

Phat Cat I agree. Anybody been snooping around seeing anybody special we are after at this time?

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

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I love this. I would only add one thing. He suggests one freebie transfer. And also talked about these 4 school transfers without a degree. So I say one free transfer, until you graduate, then you can have one more. So you can transfer twice, but you have to have a degree. It puts the importance of school back in play.

You do realize cal is flat out lying. When you transfer you have to have certain amount of credits to be eligible to play, plus these kids take dinner school as well. These kids are graduating. He just ways to stock pile kids.... when a coach leaves a evil for more money do they have to sit out a year, if it's their second job? If they get fired do they have to sit out? See what cal isn't talking about is these coaches push kids out so what about those kids that are basically made to go in the portal? Is fine the way it is... yes you are going to lose kids every year, so what... learn how to evaluate and keep kids on your team...

I would agree with you if you concede that both the coach and players have a job. Pro teams don't have the same kind of turnover college coaches are expected to deal with. Also need to remember it is a small % of teams paying and players that are getting life changing money. Most athletes are D3, D2, NAIA, FCS, and low level FBS.

Something I have not understood. If argument is they should make that money. Why do players at Alabama for example, who start and are obviously making money, transferring. It's not money, its not playing time?

Yes it's a job for both. One goes to school AND plays a sport the other coaches and travels the country recruiting. There is very similar turnover in the pro level. There are extremes in both cases but it's very similar. We everything below d1 really aren't on full athletic scholarship and in the fcs level some guys are on partial. Some of those kids, on the lower level, are just trying to get school paid for. One of my sons frat brothers is going into the military because he can't afford to stay in school. He's going to do his 4yrs then return to school and use his gi bill.

What I'm saying is there's so many variables you can't limit things. As a fan people are only looking at the fact the kids is leaving my school but there so many other factors for other players is unreal. The