Justin Lamson Transfers in

[TomCat88]

I think a lot of this back and forth is silly because nobody really knows how the discussions played out but I'm in the camp saying there is no way in hell Vigen told this kid, "If you come to MSU you're the guaranteed starting QB day 1, regardless of how you look in Fall camp." lol

[FA_Q_M]

All I know is that I trust Vigen’s ability to identify talent at the QB position. His track record throughout his coaching career is pretty incredible.

100%
I have absolute confidence in Coach V. Seems like they've been tracking this kid for a minute. Kinda makes me believe we gotta good one.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I think a lot of this back and forth is silly because nobody really knows how the discussions played out but I'm in the camp saying there is no way in hell Vigen told this kid, "If you come to MSU you're the guaranteed starting QB day 1, regardless of how you look in Fall camp." lol

Who said that?

[TomCat88]

I think a lot of this back and forth is silly because nobody really knows how the discussions played out but I'm in the camp saying there is no way in hell Vigen told this kid, "If you come to MSU you're the guaranteed starting QB day 1, regardless of how you look in Fall camp." lol

Who said that?

[BelligerentBobcat]

I firmly believe Lamson is coming here because he knows he’s going to start. It’s probably his last chance at playing, he knows that. Now I’m not saying he was promised the job, but I’m sure that it was implied if he’s as good as they think he is, he’s starting.

He ain’t coming here to share the QB position.

Jordan Reed, Chance Wilson,Patrick Duchien, Thomas Buchanan, Grant Vigen and River Warren came here to start.

You’re missing the point.


I don’t think he comes here unless he was given indicators from the coaches that he’s the likely starter.

If he didn't look at the QB roster, including coaches, and the team's success and decide -- on his own -- that he has a really good chance at starting here, then...well, you should be able to fill in the rest. If the coaches had to give him "indicators" then I would think they wouldn't have offered him a spot on the team.

You’re right. Playing time is never a discussion that incoming transfers and coaches have during the recruiting process. It’s totally all up the player to evaluate the depth chart by himself with no input or indicators from the coaches.

A transfer QB with 1-2 years left to play is going to confirm and talk to coaches about playing time. Let’s not be obtuse about the process.

I didn’t think Tom was being obtuse. But it sounds like you were sitting in for the recruitment meetings. I am sure every kid they talk to is told that they will play if they are good enough. That it is an open competition for play. You are saying that he wasn’t promised the job, but he was given indicators that he would start. Please explain. That comment seems to be taken directly from an obtuse Hollywood movie script.

As for Tom’s point, it would seem that MSU just lost the Payton Award winner at QB. There was also no heir apparent for the spot. Just read the 10 gazillion posts about QB on this site. It would seem that any 4 star prospect from Stanford is capable of making a decision on himself to come and play. He didn’t need any promises or indicators. Maybe you are the one being obtuse.

Seeing as I’m in the majority of the recruiting meetings with the coaches, I can assure you that you are 100% wrong.

In all seriousness, I don’t understand the confusion. I’m not saying anything outlandish. Obviously I’m not in there with the coaches, and I don’t know what goes on, but I follow college football recruiting more than a sane person should. I have a pretty decent idea how this all works, and most of it is logic based. I’m going to use questions, but for clarifications sake, this is not a direct quote, just an example of how said conversation could go.

“Justin, we think you’re a great QB. We think if you play like we think you can, you will likely be our starter. This is still an open competition, but we think you’ll rise to the top.”

This is just logic based. It’s a kid with a year or two to play, and he wants to play. He’s not going to transfer somewhere where he doesn’t have a darned good idea he’s going to play, and he’s not going to go somewhere he didn’t have that conversation with the coaches. This is just basic common sense.

[Mtcatfan]

He’s got two years?

[BelligerentBobcat]

He’s got two years?

Yes.

[GoldstoneCat]

I firmly believe Lamson is coming here because he knows he’s going to start. It’s probably his last chance at playing, he knows that. Now I’m not saying he was promised the job, but I’m sure that it was implied if he’s as good as they think he is, he’s starting.

He ain’t coming here to share the QB position.

Jordan Reed, Chance Wilson,Patrick Duchien, Thomas Buchanan, Grant Vigen and River Warren came here to start.

You’re missing the point.


I don’t think he comes here unless he was given indicators from the coaches that he’s the likely starter.

If he didn't look at the QB roster, including coaches, and the team's success and decide -- on his own -- that he has a really good chance at starting here, then...well, you should be able to fill in the rest. If the coaches had to give him "indicators" then I would think they wouldn't have offered him a spot on the team.

You’re right. Playing time is never a discussion that incoming transfers and coaches have during the recruiting process. It’s totally all up the player to evaluate the depth chart by himself with no input or indicators from the coaches.

A transfer QB with 1-2 years left to play is going to confirm and talk to coaches about playing time. Let’s not be obtuse about the process.

I didn’t think Tom was being obtuse. But it sounds like you were sitting in for the recruitment meetings. I am sure every kid they talk to is told that they will play if they are good enough. That it is an open competition for play. You are saying that he wasn’t promised the job, but he was given indicators that he would start. Please explain. That comment seems to be taken directly from an obtuse Hollywood movie script.

As for Tom’s point, it would seem that MSU just lost the Payton Award winner at QB. There was also no heir apparent for the spot. Just read the 10 gazillion posts about QB on this site. It would seem that any 4 star prospect from Stanford is capable of making a decision on himself to come and play. He didn’t need any promises or indicators. Maybe you are the one being obtuse.

Seeing as I’m in the majority of the recruiting meetings with the coaches, I can assure you that you are 100% wrong.

In all seriousness, I don’t understand the confusion. I’m not saying anything outlandish. Obviously I’m not in there with the coaches, and I don’t know what goes on, but I follow college football recruiting more than a sane person should. I have a pretty decent idea how this all works, and most of it is logic based. I’m going to use questions, but for clarifications sake, this is not a direct quote, just an example of how said conversation could go.

“Justin, we think you’re a great QB. We think if you play like we think you can, you will likely be our starter. This is still an open competition, but we think you’ll rise to the top.”

This is just logic based. It’s a kid with a year or two to play, and he wants to play. He’s not going to transfer somewhere where he doesn’t have a darned good idea he’s going to play, and he’s not going to go somewhere he didn’t have that conversation with the coaches. This is just basic common sense.

Agreed. He'll certainly have a shot to earn the job.

[Cataholic]

I firmly believe Lamson is coming here because he knows he’s going to start. It’s probably his last chance at playing, he knows that. Now I’m not saying he was promised the job, but I’m sure that it was implied if he’s as good as they think he is, he’s starting.

He ain’t coming here to share the QB position.

Jordan Reed, Chance Wilson,Patrick Duchien, Thomas Buchanan, Grant Vigen and River Warren came here to start.

You’re missing the point.


I don’t think he comes here unless he was given indicators from the coaches that he’s the likely starter.

If he didn't look at the QB roster, including coaches, and the team's success and decide -- on his own -- that he has a really good chance at starting here, then...well, you should be able to fill in the rest. If the coaches had to give him "indicators" then I would think they wouldn't have offered him a spot on the team.

You’re right. Playing time is never a discussion that incoming transfers and coaches have during the recruiting process. It’s totally all up the player to evaluate the depth chart by himself with no input or indicators from the coaches.

A transfer QB with 1-2 years left to play is going to confirm and talk to coaches about playing time. Let’s not be obtuse about the process.

I didn’t think Tom was being obtuse. But it sounds like you were sitting in for the recruitment meetings. I am sure every kid they talk to is told that they will play if they are good enough. That it is an open competition for play. You are saying that he wasn’t promised the job, but he was given indicators that he would start. Please explain. That comment seems to be taken directly from an obtuse Hollywood movie script.

As for Tom’s point, it would seem that MSU just lost the Payton Award winner at QB. There was also no heir apparent for the spot. Just read the 10 gazillion posts about QB on this site. It would seem that any 4 star prospect from Stanford is capable of making a decision on himself to come and play. He didn’t need any promises or indicators. Maybe you are the one being obtuse.

Seeing as I’m in the majority of the recruiting meetings with the coaches, I can assure you that you are 100% wrong.

In all seriousness, I don’t understand the confusion. I’m not saying anything outlandish. Obviously I’m not in there with the coaches, and I don’t know what goes on, but I follow college football recruiting more than a sane person should. I have a pretty decent idea how this all works, and most of it is logic based. I’m going to use questions, but for clarifications sake, this is not a direct quote, just an example of how said conversation could go.

“Justin, we think you’re a great QB. We think if you play like we think you can, you will likely be our starter. This is still an open competition, but we think you’ll rise to the top.”

This is just logic based. It’s a kid with a year or two to play, and he wants to play. He’s not going to transfer somewhere where he doesn’t have a darned good idea he’s going to play, and he’s not going to go somewhere he didn’t have that conversation with the coaches. This is just basic common sense.

That is what they tell all recruits. In your original post, you implied that he was just short of being promised the starting job. Now you are saying that he was told his chances are the same as anybody else?

Basic common sense says that we just lost our number one guy and we have no heir apparent. And our offense is a good fit for his skill set. Seems pretty clear to me.

[Bobcat4Ever]

Stanford football bombshell — Troy Taylor alleged to be abusive. This may explain a lot of why Justin Lamson left Stanford.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... e-staffers

[kwcat]

We will run 2 qbs unless someone really stands out

[TomCat88]

I firmly believe Lamson is coming here because he knows he’s going to start. It’s probably his last chance at playing, he knows that. Now I’m not saying he was promised the job, but I’m sure that it was implied if he’s as good as they think he is, he’s starting.

He ain’t coming here to share the QB position.

Jordan Reed, Chance Wilson,Patrick Duchien, Thomas Buchanan, Grant Vigen and River Warren came here to start.

You’re missing the point.


I don’t think he comes here unless he was given indicators from the coaches that he’s the likely starter.

If he didn't look at the QB roster, including coaches, and the team's success and decide -- on his own -- that he has a really good chance at starting here, then...well, you should be able to fill in the rest. If the coaches had to give him "indicators" then I would think they wouldn't have offered him a spot on the team.

You’re right. Playing time is never a discussion that incoming transfers and coaches have during the recruiting process. It’s totally all up the player to evaluate the depth chart by himself with no input or indicators from the coaches.

A transfer QB with 1-2 years left to play is going to confirm and talk to coaches about playing time. Let’s not be obtuse about the process.

I didn’t think Tom was being obtuse. But it sounds like you were sitting in for the recruitment meetings. I am sure every kid they talk to is told that they will play if they are good enough. That it is an open competition for play. You are saying that he wasn’t promised the job, but he was given indicators that he would start. Please explain. That comment seems to be taken directly from an obtuse Hollywood movie script.

As for Tom’s point, it would seem that MSU just lost the Payton Award winner at QB. There was also no heir apparent for the spot. Just read the 10 gazillion posts about QB on this site. It would seem that any 4 star prospect from Stanford is capable of making a decision on himself to come and play. He didn’t need any promises or indicators. Maybe you are the one being obtuse.

Seeing as I’m in the majority of the recruiting meetings with the coaches, I can assure you that you are 100% wrong.

In all seriousness, I don’t understand the confusion. I’m not saying anything outlandish. Obviously I’m not in there with the coaches, and I don’t know what goes on, but I follow college football recruiting more than a sane person should. I have a pretty decent idea how this all works, and most of it is logic based. I’m going to use questions, but for clarifications sake, this is not a direct quote, just an example of how said conversation could go.

“Justin, we think you’re a great QB. We think if you play like we think you can, you will likely be our starter. This is still an open competition, but we think you’ll rise to the top.”

This is just logic based. It’s a kid with a year or two to play, and he wants to play. He’s not going to transfer somewhere where he doesn’t have a darned good idea he’s going to play, and he’s not going to go somewhere he didn’t have that conversation with the coaches. This is just basic common sense.

Are you a stockbroker?

[TomCat88]

People keep mentioning common sense. First, it’s hard to have common sense about the QB situation without knowing the inner workings. Second, the common sense being applied here doesn’t seem to have prompted anything last year: Mellott — based on that common sense — didn’t have a backup and no one was brought even though it was “common sense” in the offseason to bring in someone. Common sense, in retrospect, would have to tell you that the coaches thought Reed was an adequate backup since he was the backup to start the season before Wilson moved ahead of him.

[TomCat88]

Lamson is very intriguing. At first look, his stats are weak. However, none of the Stanford quarterbacks had good stats. Lamson is the only one of three who threw for more touchdowns than interceptions.

Reading about him he sounds like a hard worker and team player. He had a really good HS career despite not getting a senior season. The injuries at Syracuse were a knee injury his RS frosh season when was slated to be the backup going into fall camp after a spring game where he went 7-10-0 for 151 yards and two long touchdowns. It required surgery with no other details. He was injured as a TF but no word on what body part.

[TomCat88]

And there’s just one more thing I’d like to out for all you Columbo fans: the coaches don’t know how this is going to shake out either. You could get several different opinions or a consensus, but that won’t make it so. They could end up being surprised or they could end up disagreeing or they might not be able to make up their minds and just flip a coin.

[BelligerentBobcat]

People keep mentioning common sense. First, it’s hard to have common sense about the QB situation without knowing the inner workings. Second, the common sense being applied here doesn’t seem to have prompted anything last year: Mellott — based on that common sense — didn’t have a backup and no one was brought even though it was “common sense” in the offseason to bring in someone. Common sense, in retrospect, would have to tell you that the coaches thought Reed was an adequate backup since he was the backup to start the season before Wilson moved ahead of him.

After his first stint starting they brought in Chambers.

They knew they didn’t want him to share playing time as a senior, and quite frankly, what capable QB would transfer in to be a backup? These are very different situations you’re talking about here, comparing Wilson/Reed/Warren and bringing in a veteran QB and not bringing one in to backup a senior Tommy. Apples and oranges.

[TomCat88]

People keep mentioning common sense. First, it’s hard to have common sense about the QB situation without knowing the inner workings. Second, the common sense being applied here doesn’t seem to have prompted anything last year: Mellott — based on that common sense — didn’t have a backup and no one was brought even though it was “common sense” in the offseason to bring in someone. Common sense, in retrospect, would have to tell you that the coaches thought Reed was an adequate backup since he was the backup to start the season before Wilson moved ahead of him.

After his first stint starting they brought in Chambers.

They knew they didn’t want him to share playing time as a senior, and quite frankly, what capable QB would transfer in to be a backup? These are very different situations you’re talking about here, comparing Wilson/Reed/Warren and bringing in a veteran QB and not bringing one in to backup a senior Tommy. Apples and oranges.

I’m talking about last year. I’m talking about fans referencing common sense. A lot of people were saying MSU needed to bring a quarterback to backup Mellott.

Virtually no one playing a sport is planning to be the backup. The common sense of that and the common sense of needing one were colliding.

[BelligerentBobcat]

People keep mentioning common sense. First, it’s hard to have common sense about the QB situation without knowing the inner workings. Second, the common sense being applied here doesn’t seem to have prompted anything last year: Mellott — based on that common sense — didn’t have a backup and no one was brought even though it was “common sense” in the offseason to bring in someone. Common sense, in retrospect, would have to tell you that the coaches thought Reed was an adequate backup since he was the backup to start the season before Wilson moved ahead of him.

After his first stint starting they brought in Chambers.

They knew they didn’t want him to share playing time as a senior, and quite frankly, what capable QB would transfer in to be a backup? These are very different situations you’re talking about here, comparing Wilson/Reed/Warren and bringing in a veteran QB and not bringing one in to backup a senior Tommy. Apples and oranges.

I’m talking about last year. I’m talking about fans referencing common sense. A lot of people were saying MSU needed to bring a quarterback to backup Mellott.

Virtually no one playing a sport is planning to be the backup. The common sense of that and the common sense of needing one were colliding.

There are quite a number of players, mostly at QB, who go to or stay at places knowing they’ll be a backup. Chambers being prime example. He knew he wasn’t going to be the starter. Now he still played, but especially with NIL you see programs bring in established backups like professional teams do.

My point with Lamson is that he transferred from good schools FOR more playing time. We know that’s a priority of his, and we know that’s a discussion he’s had with the coaches. Take from that what you want.

[TomCat88]

People keep mentioning common sense. First, it’s hard to have common sense about the QB situation without knowing the inner workings. Second, the common sense being applied here doesn’t seem to have prompted anything last year: Mellott — based on that common sense — didn’t have a backup and no one was brought even though it was “common sense” in the offseason to bring in someone. Common sense, in retrospect, would have to tell you that the coaches thought Reed was an adequate backup since he was the backup to start the season before Wilson moved ahead of him.

After his first stint starting they brought in Chambers.

They knew they didn’t want him to share playing time as a senior, and quite frankly, what capable QB would transfer in to be a backup? These are very different situations you’re talking about here, comparing Wilson/Reed/Warren and bringing in a veteran QB and not bringing one in to backup a senior Tommy. Apples and oranges.

I’m talking about last year. I’m talking about fans referencing common sense. A lot of people were saying MSU needed to bring a quarterback to backup Mellott.

Virtually no one playing a sport is planning to be the backup. The common sense of that and the common sense of needing one were colliding.

There are quite a number of players, mostly at QB, who go to or stay at places knowing they’ll be a backup. Chambers being prime example. He knew he wasn’t going to be the starter. Now he still played, but especially with NIL you see programs bring in established backups like professional teams do.

My point with Lamson is that he transferred from good schools FOR more playing time. We know that’s a priority of his, and we know that’s a discussion he’s had with the coaches. Take from that what you want.

Virtually, not literally. The NFL sees it more often but as you venture down the ladder it is less and less.

[bobcatbob]

I can clearly see why they brought in Justin. He has some good experience now at a high level. I trust Vigen and our coaches, that they got the man they wanted. I have watched Chance Wilson now for two Fall camps and in the playing time he got this past season. From what I have observed, he has a lot of talent and even has the it factor. He has also put on some good muscle since his freshman year and will be interesting to see how he physically develops over this year. I expect to see him have a really good Spring. Justine provides good insurance and the competition will make all of our QBs better. I think we are in good shape at this position now.