I don't want to get too caught up in Cat-griz paranoia, but I think it would be a good idea if us Bobcat fans do not pass along any rumors on this board this week. Things such as who is out, what plays we may use, etc. Coaches do read these boards. And, even if we are all Monday-morning QBs, I think there are some people on here who do actually have a pretty good grasp of the game and understand what plays/alignments/tricks the Bobcats may use this week. If anything, just pass it along in Private Messages during the week. No need to give those guys any more information than they already have.
Now, on the flip side, feel free to pass along any info you get on the griz. I will be assuming the position of infidel spy this week to see what I can dig up on campus, and I may just have to hike the "M" during practice time, with binoculars in hand, to catch the scenery looking north... and if, perchance, I happen to glance down into Washington-Bobcat Stadium and accidentally catch a glimpse of Booby Hauck drawing up his latest version of the "Globe of Death" play, so be it!
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Please don't take offense here or anything Bozone, but you're kidding right? I may not think to highly of Hauck or his actual coaching ability but I have to think that if there was any way that I, or any of the other armchair quarterbacks here actually could better gameplan against a team than him he would have been out of the coaching profession long ago.
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I figured I would take more than my fair share of ribbing for this post, but I still think I have a good point. There are many people on here who belong to the QB Club and are privy to information not released to the general public. Last week, a bunch of stuff that was brought up at the QB Club meetings was divulged on this board - any other week, that is fine and helps keep us fans informed. This week, I would like that information to remain private.kmax wrote:Please don't take offense here or anything Bozone, but you're kidding right? I may not think to highly of Hauck or his actual coaching ability but I have to think that if there was any way that I, or any of the other armchair quarterbacks here actually could better gameplan against a team than him he would have been out of the coaching profession long ago.
Again, I am talking more about what injuries players may have, who may or may not play, etc. As to the play calling, I agree about us not being coaches - but I also think that many of us who have not missed a Bobcat game in years have a good feel for what plays we call and what formations we run. No need to talk about "hey, we could see Such-and-such" at X position this week to surprise them, etc. If the coaches want to surprise them, let's help them out!
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Re: **NOTICE TO CAT FANS**
I have been assigned responsibility to get the latest bobcat facts to Coach BH. Please, I’m begging you to continue your posts. We need this information if we are going to have any chance this weekend.BozoneCat wrote:I don't want to get too caught up in Cat-griz paranoia, but I think it would be a good idea if us Bobcat fans do not pass along any rumors on this board this week. Things such as who is out, what plays we may use, etc. Coaches do read these boards. And, even if we are all Monday-morning QBs, I think there are some people on here who do actually have a pretty good grasp of the game and understand what plays/alignments/tricks the Bobcats may use this week. If anything, just pass it along in Private Messages during the week. No need to give those guys any more information than they already have.
Now, on the flip side, feel free to pass along any info you get on the griz. I will be assuming the position of infidel spy this week to see what I can dig up on campus, and I may just have to hike the "M" during practice time, with binoculars in hand, to catch the scenery looking north... and if, perchance, I happen to glance down into Washington-Bobcat Stadium and accidentally catch a glimpse of Booby Hauck drawing up his latest version of the "Globe of Death" play, so be it!
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Hey everyone...talked to several MSU players and coaches this morning. Some interesting notes.
Cooper will play RB and LB this week (he played RB in high school) since it's his last game.
If Lulay lines up for a punt with his left foot slightly ahead of his right and his jersey untucked in the front, it's a fake. Otherwise he kicks it.
Watch out for a flea flicker on the 13th offensive play of the game and a reverse to Gatewood on the first kickoff return of the game.
MSU will employ the previously unheard of 7 WR set this week, with Lulay and just 3 offensive linemen.
Defensively, MSU will play a 2-5 defense all day now that Rogers is out. They figure if one DT can't play why have any at all?
Cochrane will kick with his right foot this week.
Oh crap, I shouldn't have said this...
Cooper will play RB and LB this week (he played RB in high school) since it's his last game.
If Lulay lines up for a punt with his left foot slightly ahead of his right and his jersey untucked in the front, it's a fake. Otherwise he kicks it.
Watch out for a flea flicker on the 13th offensive play of the game and a reverse to Gatewood on the first kickoff return of the game.
MSU will employ the previously unheard of 7 WR set this week, with Lulay and just 3 offensive linemen.
Defensively, MSU will play a 2-5 defense all day now that Rogers is out. They figure if one DT can't play why have any at all?
Cochrane will kick with his right foot this week.
Oh crap, I shouldn't have said this...
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Bozone, aren't you getting a PHD or Masters in Missoula? Seems like I remember that. My wife has a masters in psych. and is unbelieveabley book smart, but she's dumb as a rock when it comes to street smarts. This game isn't going to come down to what is typed on this board or not. It's going to come down to execution, ball control, field position and heart. You can even throw records out the window. This is a rivalry game.
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In the spirit of being fair I'll fill you in on some secrets the Griz have.
1. Ochs can "thread the needle." We've seen this a lot the whole year. He can be right on the mark. Oh yeah, he can run too, one of the fastest guys on the team.
2. Justin Green falls forward 2 - 3 yards when he's tackled most of the time.
3. JH and LV are lighting quick recievers, and can bust pass just about anyone. (Oh yeah and Heismanberger can pass, and run the option as well).
4. John Talmage is tall. So is Willie Walden, both are popular targets in the endzone b/c hardly anyone can stop a pass to thats thrown to them.
5. Our defense gives up a lot of yards, but has a great turnover ratio. Last week we had 4 ints and 1 fumble recovery
6. Don Read is back as our AD. He's never lost to the cats.
Please guys, don't tell Kramer, or else he'll be able to shut all of this down.
1. Ochs can "thread the needle." We've seen this a lot the whole year. He can be right on the mark. Oh yeah, he can run too, one of the fastest guys on the team.
2. Justin Green falls forward 2 - 3 yards when he's tackled most of the time.
3. JH and LV are lighting quick recievers, and can bust pass just about anyone. (Oh yeah and Heismanberger can pass, and run the option as well).
4. John Talmage is tall. So is Willie Walden, both are popular targets in the endzone b/c hardly anyone can stop a pass to thats thrown to them.
5. Our defense gives up a lot of yards, but has a great turnover ratio. Last week we had 4 ints and 1 fumble recovery
6. Don Read is back as our AD. He's never lost to the cats.
Please guys, don't tell Kramer, or else he'll be able to shut all of this down.
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Ree,
I normally find you to be pretty level headed but your last post is a little wanting in the "analytical" dept.
JH is definitely the best weapon you have at wide receiver; no argument.
Talmage? Overrated. 3.7 catches per game. Not a player anyone "over-prepares" for.
Walden? Please. I'm amazed you even mention his name. You griz are so enamored with his size you ignore his AWESOME 1.2 catches per game. OH MY GOSH!!! HE HAS 3 TOUCHDOWNS!!! WHAT A WEAPON!!! Again, not a player anyone "over-prepares" for, if they even look at him at all.
Ochs as a threat with his feet? Again, PLEASE. 4 yards a game on the ground does not make him a threat. Even if you take away his sack yardage, he's not getting 3 yards per carry. If he really is "one of the fastest guys on the team", you seriously are hurting in the speed dept. Can he throw a decent ball? Yes, no argument. Are teams worried about him beating them out of the pocket? Not in your wildest or wettest dream.
I'm assuming that LV is Segars; if he were really a weapon, I'm sure I'd know that's who you were referring to. I'm sorry, but his 3.6 catches, 44 yards/game and 2 touchdowns receiving don't scare me in the least. Oh, by the way, his 2 receiving TD's are the ONLY scores he's had this year. LV, as you call him, isn't even a threat as a returner this season. Too much weed has ruined another decent athlete at UM... (And yes, I know for a FACT that LV likes his cannabis(sp?))
If Justin "buffet" Green really does fall forward 3 yards after being hit, he must get hit 9/10 of a yard past the line of scrimmage to come up with his awesome 3.9 yards/carry average. Get real, Ree, your running game has been a disappointment following last season. Why? Because your best O-lineman are gone and because Green had NO discipline in the offseason. At least admit the facts, man. All together, the supposed "awesome" combo of Green/Hilliard/Waller is averaging 123 yards per game. Our top 3 rushers average 137 yards/game on the ground; did you really think this would be the case 10 games into the season? Of course not...
You are +17 in the turnover ratio; that is VERY impressive indeed, my griz friend, and combined with 2 blocked kicks is the BIGGEST reason you are headed to the playoffs again, win or lose this Saturday. Without that one stat, you guys are probably 7-3 at best, and most likely 6-4 at this point... I do wish our D had a better knack of creating turnovers...
Finally, if Don Read being your AD has meant a SINGLE victory this year, he should get a raise immediately. GIVE ME A BREAK; stop reaching for things.
Bottom line: Be honest Ree, do you REALLY think your griz are as good as their record? If so, good for you. Do you REALLY think this team will go far in the playoffs?
I'd love for a griz to just finally admit that they are fortunate to have the record they've achieved but this time is not nearly as good as they're accustomed to.
Are they better than the Bobcats? The beautiful thing is that we're about to find out...
I normally find you to be pretty level headed but your last post is a little wanting in the "analytical" dept.
JH is definitely the best weapon you have at wide receiver; no argument.
Talmage? Overrated. 3.7 catches per game. Not a player anyone "over-prepares" for.
Walden? Please. I'm amazed you even mention his name. You griz are so enamored with his size you ignore his AWESOME 1.2 catches per game. OH MY GOSH!!! HE HAS 3 TOUCHDOWNS!!! WHAT A WEAPON!!! Again, not a player anyone "over-prepares" for, if they even look at him at all.
Ochs as a threat with his feet? Again, PLEASE. 4 yards a game on the ground does not make him a threat. Even if you take away his sack yardage, he's not getting 3 yards per carry. If he really is "one of the fastest guys on the team", you seriously are hurting in the speed dept. Can he throw a decent ball? Yes, no argument. Are teams worried about him beating them out of the pocket? Not in your wildest or wettest dream.
I'm assuming that LV is Segars; if he were really a weapon, I'm sure I'd know that's who you were referring to. I'm sorry, but his 3.6 catches, 44 yards/game and 2 touchdowns receiving don't scare me in the least. Oh, by the way, his 2 receiving TD's are the ONLY scores he's had this year. LV, as you call him, isn't even a threat as a returner this season. Too much weed has ruined another decent athlete at UM... (And yes, I know for a FACT that LV likes his cannabis(sp?))
If Justin "buffet" Green really does fall forward 3 yards after being hit, he must get hit 9/10 of a yard past the line of scrimmage to come up with his awesome 3.9 yards/carry average. Get real, Ree, your running game has been a disappointment following last season. Why? Because your best O-lineman are gone and because Green had NO discipline in the offseason. At least admit the facts, man. All together, the supposed "awesome" combo of Green/Hilliard/Waller is averaging 123 yards per game. Our top 3 rushers average 137 yards/game on the ground; did you really think this would be the case 10 games into the season? Of course not...
You are +17 in the turnover ratio; that is VERY impressive indeed, my griz friend, and combined with 2 blocked kicks is the BIGGEST reason you are headed to the playoffs again, win or lose this Saturday. Without that one stat, you guys are probably 7-3 at best, and most likely 6-4 at this point... I do wish our D had a better knack of creating turnovers...
Finally, if Don Read being your AD has meant a SINGLE victory this year, he should get a raise immediately. GIVE ME A BREAK; stop reaching for things.
Bottom line: Be honest Ree, do you REALLY think your griz are as good as their record? If so, good for you. Do you REALLY think this team will go far in the playoffs?
I'd love for a griz to just finally admit that they are fortunate to have the record they've achieved but this time is not nearly as good as they're accustomed to.
Are they better than the Bobcats? The beautiful thing is that we're about to find out...
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1st of El Gato, sorry for the "Blunt" post. I do consider myself level headed, and I'm nervous about every game we play (even against Sac). I think its the whole Rivalry thing, getting pretty wrapped up in it.
OK - Ochs is fast. I'm thinking the cats are going to find this out too. I've never seen a QB who could read the field as well as him. The reason why he has so little rushing stats this year is that he wasn't needed to scramble as much. Just wait... Last year he put some good numbers up on designed draw play, esp against NAU.
Talmage & Walden, what are they? 6'4" and 6'8" Averaging only a few catches a game yes...but...what if half of those are toss up passes in the endzone? That averages to about 14 points right there. And who's going to cover Heismanberger/Segars/Hancock/Talmage? I've heard you guys are scraping the bottom with depth at cover corner. I really hope Talmage reads that you think he's overrated (although I doubt he will). Last week he caught 3 TD passes and had his way on the sideline and down the middle. Another advantage to Walden (and Ja'Ton Simpson for this matter) is they're great blocking tight ends too.
LV had a punt return called back last week on a holding penalty. Since you think he sucks, have Lulay kick to him...please.
Justin Green also scored 3 times last week...all in the 1st qtr. Although I don't think this is going to be much of a running game.
As for our record...well I can't agree with ya'. A team plays a full game on the field. I could easily say if the Cats didn't put together those last min. come from behind wins, they'd be in the bottom half of the Big Sky. We create turnovers with a fast defense that likes to blitz. The blocked kicks? It just proves our D lays it all out on the field, and plays with all of their heart, the whole game.
No one is fortunate for their record, they earn that record.
Don't get me wrong with what I'm saying here. In no way would this weekend ever be a blowout. This is going to be the biggest test for the Griz (even more then EWU). Lulay is an amazing QB. The reason why I like the Griz' chances is the heart of our D, and thier ability to create turnovers, and Ochs' vision on the field.
But I do agree with you on one statement. We'll find out whose right this Saturday afternoon.
OK - Ochs is fast. I'm thinking the cats are going to find this out too. I've never seen a QB who could read the field as well as him. The reason why he has so little rushing stats this year is that he wasn't needed to scramble as much. Just wait... Last year he put some good numbers up on designed draw play, esp against NAU.
Talmage & Walden, what are they? 6'4" and 6'8" Averaging only a few catches a game yes...but...what if half of those are toss up passes in the endzone? That averages to about 14 points right there. And who's going to cover Heismanberger/Segars/Hancock/Talmage? I've heard you guys are scraping the bottom with depth at cover corner. I really hope Talmage reads that you think he's overrated (although I doubt he will). Last week he caught 3 TD passes and had his way on the sideline and down the middle. Another advantage to Walden (and Ja'Ton Simpson for this matter) is they're great blocking tight ends too.
LV had a punt return called back last week on a holding penalty. Since you think he sucks, have Lulay kick to him...please.
Justin Green also scored 3 times last week...all in the 1st qtr. Although I don't think this is going to be much of a running game.
As for our record...well I can't agree with ya'. A team plays a full game on the field. I could easily say if the Cats didn't put together those last min. come from behind wins, they'd be in the bottom half of the Big Sky. We create turnovers with a fast defense that likes to blitz. The blocked kicks? It just proves our D lays it all out on the field, and plays with all of their heart, the whole game.
No one is fortunate for their record, they earn that record.
Don't get me wrong with what I'm saying here. In no way would this weekend ever be a blowout. This is going to be the biggest test for the Griz (even more then EWU). Lulay is an amazing QB. The reason why I like the Griz' chances is the heart of our D, and thier ability to create turnovers, and Ochs' vision on the field.
But I do agree with you on one statement. We'll find out whose right this Saturday afternoon.
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El Gato,
I only wish the Cat coaches thought of the Griz players the way you do. Unfortunately, they know better and will prepare appropriately. Ochs is very fast, and Talmage and Segars are very good weapons. It's ok to admit when the other team has talent. That's like a Griz fan saying Lulay isn't very good. He is very, very good!
I only wish the Cat coaches thought of the Griz players the way you do. Unfortunately, they know better and will prepare appropriately. Ochs is very fast, and Talmage and Segars are very good weapons. It's ok to admit when the other team has talent. That's like a Griz fan saying Lulay isn't very good. He is very, very good!
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I think what a lot of us feel is not that the griz don't have some good offensive weapons - they obviously do. Heidelberger goes without mentioning. Segars hasn't done hardly anything since the first month of the season, but he is still always dangerous and is a good downfield blocker. Ochs is tremendously efficient, and will pick our defense apart if we don't get consistent pressure on him. Hilliard is a monster, but it looks right now as if he won't play (I still don't buy it, mind you). Talmage has been killing teams in the last month, ever since he cut his mullet. He is dangerous down that sideline and in the endzone. Somehow, though, I'm thinking we will take care of him.
The two players griz fans just do not want to admit are not really any good are Justin Green and Willie Walden. Green was a monster last year, but has only come remotely close to 100 yards once this season when he ran for 90. He gained too much weight and is a step slower to the hole this year, and the offensive line isn't quite as good at opening those holes as they were last year. I would be more concerned with Waller than I would be with Green. Walden has never done much of anything, yet many griz fans still somehow think this guy will play in the NFL. Sure, he is big - so are a thousand other guys in the country. He does look like he has pretty good hands when thrown to, but he is slow and lazy - thus, he doesn't get open. Maybe it should say something that unless he is in red zone position to get the glory of catching a TD, he runs half-assed routes and doesn't block.
The two players griz fans just do not want to admit are not really any good are Justin Green and Willie Walden. Green was a monster last year, but has only come remotely close to 100 yards once this season when he ran for 90. He gained too much weight and is a step slower to the hole this year, and the offensive line isn't quite as good at opening those holes as they were last year. I would be more concerned with Waller than I would be with Green. Walden has never done much of anything, yet many griz fans still somehow think this guy will play in the NFL. Sure, he is big - so are a thousand other guys in the country. He does look like he has pretty good hands when thrown to, but he is slow and lazy - thus, he doesn't get open. Maybe it should say something that unless he is in red zone position to get the glory of catching a TD, he runs half-assed routes and doesn't block.
GO CATS GO!!!