Bobcats vs San Jose State

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 10:53 pm

Bobcats blow a nine point second half lead and lose 65-64 when SJSU scores with 1.5 seconds remaining.

Can we just time warp this season and go to 2005-06?

MSU01 · Post by **MSU01** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 10:57 pm

Somewhat encouraging that they didn't completely go in the tank considering the situation they've been put in, but at some point they've got to get a couple wins...if they lose to UVSU next game then I'm officially declaring them on life support.

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:12 pm

I guess there's some things to be encouraged about...except that San Jose State is supposed to absolutely terrible (they've lost to a sub D-1 already I believe).

We get another shot at the Spartans in Bozeman on December 21.

Guard oriented teams run hot and cold-but when things tighten up down the stretch they usually run cold.

We've gotta get Al Beye back-he might be our only hope.

MSU01 · Post by **MSU01** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:17 pm

Yep...SJSU lost by 18 to Asuza Pacific and by 18 again to U. of Pacific. Could be a loooong year but perhaps some guys can step up, sounds like Miller had a nice game tonight after struggling mightily against SMU.

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:35 pm

If everything goes well we might be able to knock off Montana Tech-but even that one is probably in doubt.

I should probably stop-I'm pretty down on the whole outfit right now.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:08 am

Cheer up, guys. They're going to win the Big Sky this year - remember, they told us so. (drip, drip, drip...)

Hey PapaG, maybe this is a more appropriate thread to start talking about Mick leaving after this year???

truebobcatfan · Post by **truebobcatfan** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:13 pm

I will like to thanks belgradebobcat and BozoneCat for the support for our basketball team. I am glad you guys are the basketball experts. When the CATS starts to Win, the jump on the wag.

You guys don't know JACK

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 9:17 pm

I look at it this way...the whole football season was spent in a state of high stress...I look forward to going to the basketball games and being there when they overachieve (maybe once or twiice)

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:38 am

truebobcatfan wrote:I will like to thanks belgradebobcat and BozoneCat for the support for our basketball team. I am glad you guys are the basketball experts. When the CATS starts to Win, the jump on the wag.

You guys don't know JACK

2 whole posts and you're taking shots?

I've gone to just about every men's home basketball game for going on 30 years now-and I'll be there all this season (and next) too. I've been there through many bad years, and quite a few good years. I think the fair weather fans have less trouble getting down on the team than the life long die hards like myself and many others who post here frequently.

I think I'll try to adopt Helcat's attitude and be there when they overachieve-but I'll still get frustrated when they don't.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:54 am

BelgradeBobcat wrote:
truebobcatfan wrote:I will like to thanks belgradebobcat and BozoneCat for the support for our basketball team. I am glad you guys are the basketball experts. When the CATS starts to Win, the jump on the wag.

You guys don't know JACK
2 whole posts and you're taking shots?

I've gone to just about every men's home basketball game for going on 30 years now-and I'll be there all this season (and next) too. I've been there through many bad years, and quite a few good years. I think the fair weather fans have less trouble getting down on the team than the life long die hards like myself and many others who post here frequently.

I think I'll try to adopt Helcat's attitude and be there when they overachieve-but I'll still get frustrated when they don't.

Exactly. I have been going to Bobcat basketball games for almost 20 years now. I love the Bobcats, and I support them all the time. I am, however, sick and tired of seeing our program mired deeper and deeper into mediocrity. This program has been on a steady decline in talent level and fan enthusiasm ever since the great team of '95-'96. You will notice that I placed exactly zero blame on Mick for the Frank Brown debacle. What I am concerned with is wins and fan excitement, and right now we have zero of each.

Please don't turn your second post into a Nazi-esque regulation of what we can say and who is really a "true" fan. I guarantee that I know a hell of a lot more about basketball than you do, truebobcatfan. If you had any sort of historical knowledge, you would know that more than a few of us have been calling for a change at HC for a few years now - the start to this season just backs up those claims. In my mind, true fans have the ability to criticize when necessary, because of how much we care about this team and this program. If you want to come down on every person who has anything negative to say, you'll fit in much better over at efriz.

truebobcatfan · Post by **truebobcatfan** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:29 pm

So when the cats start to win, do you still think there should be a change at the head coach position. Maybe you and your other buddy can take over and do a better job. Yeah right.

You guys just don't get it. When Coach Durham suppose to be on the hot seat, he win. Perfect example will be the 2001-2002 team with Jason, James, Casey, Damir, and Aaron Rich, and the the Coach of the year Mick Durham.

Don't forget that team started off 3-6.

I wouldn't open my mouth just yet. Lets wait until the season is over and done with.

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:33 pm

What have I said in this thread that is so offensive to you? Did we not blow a 9 point lead to lose to San Jose State? Is that not a fact?

You can go back and look if you want, but I have never advocated for the removal of coach Durham. I grumble when they lose-especially to really bad teams-but have not, nor will I ever, call for the coaches head on a platter.

By the way: If Durham does win when he's on the hot seat as you allege-then those calling for a change are only helping the Cats-right?

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:03 pm

I suppose my comment about only beating Montana Tech was a little overly negative.

truebobcatfan · Post by **truebobcatfan** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 5:24 pm

The only thing that I am trying to say is lets wait until the entire season is finish before we start counting out the CATS. I got offended when I saw BelgradeCAT said, lets wrap up the season and start the 2005 season.

Lets not forget conference is what really counts. The CATS have 7 guys out of the 11 guys on the team that I have never play game at this level until this year. We all hope that they will play well right away but it is not going to happen. When conference roll around and the return of Big Al, this team will be o.k.

I can recall that Eastern Washington started off 3-10 last year.

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:03 pm

truebobcatfan wrote:I got offended when I saw BelgradeCAT said, lets wrap up the season and start the 2005 season.

I can recall that Eastern Washington started off 3-10 last year.

After the football team's late season collapse, losing our starting center in basketball, the whole Frank Brown incident, and then losing to San Jose State-that's how I felt. Let's just get to '05-'06.

You're statement about EWU last year is instructive and may offer some hope-thanks for that.

We've got to Al back healthy, we've got to pray that Towsley somehow stays healthy, and we can't have anyone else go down because of an injury or otherwise.

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:42 pm

The only problem I have ever had with Mick's teams is the fact that they rely on shooting the three too much. When they hit, they can compete. When they don't, they have a hard time winning. They usually can not rebound with other teams in the conference or play post defense. The year we had Damir Latovic and Kenny Plummer who were physical, we could compete with the larger more physical big men in the league and we won later in February. When we don't have that presence we fade as the other teams catch on and defend our perimeter game. Last year was indicative, however there was an excuse ...we were missing four scholarship players.

This year we had a chance to fix that shortcoming and we recruited 2 tall guys and a power forward. One can't play until next year, one is 6-11 205 lbs, and the jury is out on the power foreward. I have only seen one game (SMU), but was not impressed with the physicality of Moss. I feel he backed off going to the basket and looked for someone else to finish the play in most cases.

If Beye can last until March he may give us a defensive presence and may even get a rebound or two. I don't see him banging inside though. If he goes down, we have an injured post man (Towsley) who is a "body" inside, but not really a presence.

I think Mick deserves a chance to show us what these kids can do, however, if the next two years prove to be more of the same....players wear down and get injured...the Cats fade in February or sooner....then I think we need to start questioning Mick's ability to recruit the type of players we need to compete in the conference.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 10:12 pm

truebobcatfan wrote:So when the cats start to win, do you still think there should be a change at the head coach position. Maybe you and your other buddy can take over and do a better job. Yeah right.

You guys just don't get it. When Coach Durham suppose to be on the hot seat, he win. Perfect example will be the 2001-2002 team with Jason, James, Casey, Damir, and Aaron Rich, and the the Coach of the year Mick Durham.

Don't forget that team started off 3-6.

I wouldn't open my mouth just yet. Lets wait until the season is over and done with.

When the Cats start to win... when is that going to happen??? Mick has had 15 years to get this program turned into a conference power, I don't know how long you are willing to wait?!?! I'm not saying I could do a better job, but then, I am not applying for the job. I'm sorry if you don't like it, but running a clean program and being a nice guy only gets you so far, sooner or later you have to win some games. On top of that, Mick does absolutely nothing to bring in money to the school or to generate excitement for the program. Krames went 6-5 this year, and I'm not calling for his head. Our basketball team is not only sucking worse and worse every year, our attendence is plummeting every year. Right now, very few people give a rat's ass about Montana State's basketball program. Whether you like it or not, or whoever's fault it may actually be, the ultimate responsibility for that comes down to Mick.

truebobcatfan wrote: I can recall that Eastern Washington started off 3-10 last year.

Well, Eastern was also defending Big Sky champs, and had a lot of talent on that team. The last time we were Big Sky champs, Mick's horrible conservative coaching led to a complete collapse 19-point comeback loss to a sh*tty griz team with a lame duck coach, in Bozeman.

truebobcatfan wrote:Lets not forget conference is what really counts.

Really?!?! Somehow, I was under the distinct notion that we should strive to win every game. Huh, I must have been misinformed...

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 8:09 am

Mick's entrenched, and has some key local Bozo support. I doubt he'd ever get the axe. It's too bad that he's not more of an outgoing person, because the men's program could use an injection of enthusiasm and $$$$.

Given the fact that there were complaints that the fans at the FB games were too loud, and so was the music, I bet those same complainers couldn't be happier at the prospects of a nice quiet evening watching men's hoops.

truebobcatfan · Post by **truebobcatfan** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 9:45 am

BozoneCat you are the greatest. So the reason, the cats lost the game to the sh**ty Griz is because Coach Durham did a bad job coaching. So I guess he did a great job Coach win they won 20 games. If you even know what you are talking about. That was the only game the cats blew a lead.

If you are going to him credit for the loses you must give him credit for the wins.

Dump F**K

MSUcantouchus · Post by **MSUcantouchus** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:14 am

Casey? Is that you?