2 new fball players

bobcatftbl · Post by **bobcatftbl** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:23 am

Couple Hawaii football players apparently might be joinging the Cats for next season. Mike Bass a RB from Hawaii 5'7" 174lbs. Also his little brother Ray Bass a DB 5'10" 174lbs. Ray sounds very promising with a 40inch vert. and 4.31 40 time. Check these guys out closer at....
http://uhathletics.hawaii.edu/roster.html?p=3

Edit by kmax to fix link.

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:14 am

Could not get the link to work for me!

WYCAT · Post by **WYCAT** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:55 am

Me neither.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:08 am

Try this, then go to Football, and Roster. They look pretty decent. Where did this info. come from?

http://uhathletics.hawaii.edu

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:13 am

Thanks

mjc · Post by **mjc** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:30 am

Would they come in January?

grizindabox · Post by **grizindabox** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:55 pm

The name Mike Bass gave me a flashback. He was recruited by Joe Glenn coming out of high school and his final two choices were UM and Hawaii. I also remember that he started some as a true freshman and did so when UM visited the Islands.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:57 pm

If this is true, I am guessing it is a package deal. Tough to tell how Mike (the RB) would do, he is pretty small, but is a senior. I would be pretty excited about Ray, though - he will be a freshman with four years remaining, and looks to be very, very athletic. We'll see...

Post by **kmax** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:58 pm

Mike Bass shows as having played in 01, 02, and 03 so unless he redshirted last year he doesn't have any eligiblity left. Even if he does have a year left, would rather see a young kid come in that a transfer with only one year to give to the program.

To reiterate what someone else posted, where is this info coming from?

grizindabox · Post by **grizindabox** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:08 pm

I have no info on the transfer possibility, but my thoughts on Mike Bass are that he was very quick with a low center of gravity. Probably more suited for 1-AA, but is a prototypical back for the run and gun offense that Hawaii plays. Would be a very good change of pace back between him and Dominek. And looking at this seasons stats, he played in 1 game with 2 carries, so odds are he may have sat out this season via red shirt, giving him one more year of eligibility.

billingscat · Post by **billingscat** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:12 pm

Info is coming from a coach for the bobcats, would rather keep his name anonymous. Apparently Mike Bass is pretty much a sure deal, the coach also said he heard his brother Ray also might be coming with him. This is simply information that I have recieved from the inside so I suspect it is fairly accurate. BTW I am "bobcatftbl" I have two user names, in case anyone was wondering.

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:16 pm

Is there any talk of moving Gathing back to Linebacker? Especially if we get this RB from Hawaii.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:37 pm

In this day and age, I think some computer genius needs to write a program that will scan the bio's of thousands of eligible athletes each year, do athletic, academic, personality, social, etc. screening on hundreds of traits and spit back a list of names. That way it wouldn't be such a crap-shoot when recruiting. Can you imagine that???

Okay, this year, I'll take a Ryan Johnson, a couple Joey Thomas's, A Roger Cooper, and why don't you throw in a Corey Smith for returns???

I really miss Ryan Johnson right about now.

WYCAT · Post by **WYCAT** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:48 pm

Adding a running back with, at best, one year of eligibility remaining I don't like at all. We have been hearing such great things about Evin Groves - why no platoon him with Domenick? Even if this guy would pan out at best you are looking at a few games by the time he gets up to speed and settles into the position. Maybe it is a package deal like someone said and his brother is the real commodity?????

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:49 pm

catatac wrote:In this day and age, I think some computer genius needs to write a program that will scan the bio's of thousands of eligible athletes each year, do athletic, academic, personality, social, etc. screening on hundreds of traits and spit back a list of names. That way it wouldn't be such a crap-shoot when recruiting. Can you imagine that???

Okay, this year, I'll take a Ryan Johnson, a couple Joey Thomas's, A Roger Cooper, and why don't you throw in a Corey Smith for returns???

I really miss Ryan Johnson right about now.

I am actually in the testing phase of the program you talked about. I'm running it through debug mode right now.

Its actually not too bad of idea if all players had a bio/same info in the same place etc. and you could input it in and spit out results. Unfortunately, stats for a player don't always do them justice .. need to look at film to often see desire/team player/athletic ability and how they would fit in with your system etc.

Patience, I bet the Big Human snags another GEM this year. Gatewood/Lindsey/Grenfel/Rogers weren't bad snags last year. However, I would like to see some LB/RB/DL studs coming in from high school as well. Its going to be a good offseason for us this year. I think we have a lot less holes to plug this year than last year. DL/RB should be keys ... then LB/TE.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:53 pm

WYCAT wrote:Adding a running back with, at best, one year of eligibility remaining I don't like at all. We have been hearing such great things about Evin Groves - why no platoon him with Domenick? Even if this guy would pan out at best you are looking at a few games by the time he gets up to speed and settles into the position. Maybe it is a package deal like someone said and his brother is the real commodity?????

If we can get a RB that can break it outside along with hard running of Domineck inside I think that combo wouldn't be too bad at all. Also, we definately need to work on our 'TEAM' run blocking as to give Domineck credit, the inside holes just weren't there this year. I bet this will improve by next year though as the line gels and some of our players get even bigger/stronger. I loved having Bolton in as HBACK on our goal line/short yardage situations ... he was BLASTING people in there!

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:56 pm

Yes, we've been harping on the need for a running game since Ryan left. Unfortunately, it hasn't really happened yet. Still not sure if it's somewhat caused by a lack of execution on the line's part or if it's really been a personell problem at running back. I've been seeing some pretty big holes that Lex Hilliard has been hitting. Granted, he also has shown me the ability to find the holes, hit them hard, break tackles, etc. but I think the Grizzly line has been better at run blocking.

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:20 pm

I sure would like us to bigger rather than smaller at RB. we need someone who can blast holes in the line like Hilliard...not another Jimmy Beal! We might look at widening the splits too...just my opinion...but that causes a natural hole if the linemen are quick enough to get the right angle on their blocks.

Gordo · Post by **Gordo** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:09 pm

I think possibly a little deception would really help the running game. Looks at the top running games in the NFL and you'll see that the teams that run the ball well are always keeping the defense off-balance. In the last 5 games when we adopted the no-huddle shotgun offense it was almost obvious what plays were coming. If Lulay was under center it was most likely a run and if he was in the shotgun it was a pass. The only running play we could run from the shotgun was the QB draw which worked until teams started putting a spy on Lulay. Granted Bailey's playbook isn't very thick in the 5 wideout section (which we didn't even knew we had until this year) but you think he would have been able to come up with some draw plays and play actions to keep the defenses honest. The success of the passing game should only open up opportunities for the running game not render it ineffective.

On another note, if we are in the business of taking away scholarships due to lack of performance (ala Kellen Alley), shouldn't Beal be the next guy on the list? He hasn't done much positive on the field since he got here but is always one of the most talked about players by the coaches. He must be one heck of a likable guy because he is almost a disaster waiting to happen whenever he gets into the game. Maybe we can use the scholarship to offer partials to some Montana kids who normally would be asked to walk on as we seem to need to add depth.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:19 pm

Gordo wrote:I think possibly a little deception would really help the running game. Looks at the top running games in the NFL and you'll see that the teams that run the ball well are always keeping the defense off-balance. In the last 5 games when we adopted the no-huddle shotgun offense it was almost obvious what plays were coming. If Lulay was under center it was most likely a run and if he was in the shotgun it was a pass. The only running play we could run from the shotgun was the QB draw which worked until teams started putting a spy on Lulay. Granted Bailey's playbook isn't very thick in the 5 wideout section (which we didn't even knew we had until this year) but you think he would have been able to come up with some draw plays and play actions to keep the defenses honest. The success of the passing game should only open up opportunities for the running game not render it ineffective.

On another note, if we are in the business of taking away scholarships due to lack of performance (ala Kellen Alley), shouldn't Beal be the next guy on the list? This guy hasn't done much positive on the field since he got here but is always one of the most talked about players by the coaches. He must be one heck of a likable guy because he is almost a disaster waiting to happen whenever he gets into the game. Maybe we can use the scholarship to offer partials to some Montana kids who normally would be asked to wak on as we seem to need to add depth.

Totally agree on all aspects of this post. I think we will have more balance next year (hopefully like 60% pass . 40% run or so). I agree with our sets as well. The teams with good defenses were not scared to blitz us as we didn't have a RB on a draw play that could take it to the house against them. To me, that is what Hiliard brings to the Griz, you better not blitz them and get caught with a draw to him or an off tackle play as he will take it to the house. Both RYNO and Moluck both had the ability to make the long bust out run and that is what we were sorely missing last year. Teams just did not respect our running game so we had to go to the 4-5 receive wide set and pass pass pass. Since our OL was giving Lulay lots of time at the end of the year (not counting first half in Griz game) .... we were able to make tons of plays passing the ball. This however, is going to catch up with you at sometime and teams will game plan for that (even baby Hauck was able to do that). He put a very nice blitz scheme in that took away Lulays first read options and then put pressure on him .. the 2nd/3rd options were not there and when they were our receivers dropped the ball. OFFENSE GRINDS TO A HALT.

However, we put this passing offense in next year coupled with a strong running game and you have the Montana Grizzlies offense right now ... BALANCED. So if your the defensive coach, how do you game plan against that .. you have to go bland/soft .. very few blitz type defense.