Kramer leaving?

The_Bobcats_Suck · Post by **The_Bobcats_Suck** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:38 pm

Someone posted on Egriz that Kramer's is taking a coodinator job at another school? Anyone hear this too?

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:59 pm

Well, we were due for one of those rumors -- we hadn't gotten one yet this season. It's our annual ritual.

I really doubt that this would be the year that Kramer would bail, especially for an assistant's job. With the talent he has coming back next season, it would make sense to at least have one great season under his belt (earning the reputation of a guy who can turn a program around), and then move on to a I-A head coaching position. That would seem to be the most likely scenario in my mind.

FootballFan · Post by **FootballFan** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:22 pm

Coordinator of what? His two stints as an offensivie coordinator (one at Eastern and one MSU) were disasters. He hasn't spent anytime on defense in quite awhile so that is very doubtful. He is a Head Coach, he does a great job of BS with the boosters, media, and public. I could see a move for a head coach but certainly not as an assistant!

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:27 pm

I think Kramer leaving would be a shock to all MSU fans. However I highly doubt he would be leaving this year. I think he would only move on if the next coaching position was a step up into 1-A or something and thats it. He wouldn't take an assistant coaching spot unless it was for an NFL team or something I bet. Plus, his kids are in school in Bozeman and I'm sure that would factor into things as well.

I think Kramer is set on building an even more solid program at MSU (little by little each year) and slowly pushing MSU into the upper echelon of power teams in 1-AA. The last 3-4 years you can totally see it building and I don't think he'll leave until he is finished. I don't know Kramer really well, but I know he is a very competitive guy and someone who loves MSU/Bozeman and the outdoors. Bozeman is the PERFECT fit.

The_Bobcats_Suck · Post by **The_Bobcats_Suck** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:33 pm

CARDIAC_CATS wrote:I think Kramer leaving would be a shock to all MSU fans. However I highly doubt he would be leaving this year. I think he would only move on if the next coaching position was a step up into 1-A or something and thats it. He wouldn't take an assistant coaching spot unless it was for an NFL team or something I bet. Plus, his kids are in school in Bozeman and I'm sure that would factor into things as well.

I think Kramer is set on building an even more solid program at MSU (little by little each year) and slowly pushing MSU into the upper echelon of power teams in 1-AA. The last 3-4 years you can totally see it building and I don't think he'll leave until he is finished. I don't know Kramer really well, but I know he is a very competitive guy and someone who loves MSU/Bozeman and the outdoors. Bozeman is the PERFECT fit.

I agree. I didn't know his kids were attending MSU? It doesn't make sense for him to leave, unless of course the $$$$ are good. Big money makes many decisions irrational.

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:43 pm

I like Kramer, and I can see progress in the program he's building (albeit slow progress), but I dont think his current record at Bozeman warrants him a head job at the next level. 3 straight seasons at one game over .500 doesnt necessarily scream ready for the next level.

If Mike is looking to move up, he needs a 9-2 record or better next year with a long run (2+ wins) in the playoffs. That would officially mark the turnaround of the Bobcat Football program.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:55 pm

Cat Pride wrote:I like Kramer, and I can see progress in the program he's building (albeit slow progress), but I dont think his current record at Bozeman warrants him a head job at the next level. 3 straight seasons at one game over .500 doesnt necessarily scream ready for the next level.

If Mike is looking to move up, he needs a 9-2 record or better next year with a long run (2+ wins) in the playoffs. That would officially mark the turnaround of the Bobcat Football program.

Yeah, the playoffs could be tough until they can schedule those 1-A games every other year or something. Starting off the year with 1 loss right away and then having Montana in your conference (have to beat them to make playoffs .. 2 years we did we made it) .... not to mention the East Coast Team Bias you really don't have much of a chance for error and still make the playoffs. MSU pretty much HAS to win the conference in my opinion next year to get in the playoff picture. Time will tell, but that is pretty much the only way POSITIVELY way to tell after what happened to Cal Poly this year. I am still upset about them not getting in as that team DESERVED it. I would have been crushed had I been on that team as a player/coaches etc.

So pretty much MSU either wins the conference next year or pretty much has to go through the season after losing to OK State with 2 losses. Even a very good team that is tough to do. I have high expectations for our team next year, but the CATS #1 goal better be winning the conference in my opinion. This starts of by MSU beating the Griz at HOME ... that is a must win or no playoffs in my opinion. I almost think winning the conference is Kramers top goals on the season too. You need to get in the playoffs in order to have a shot at smoking some of these East Coast teams (OVERATED). I think we have a good shot at doing this next year ... need to come out of the gate strong though!

MSU01 · Post by **MSU01** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:49 pm

I would be very surprised if Kramer were to leave MSU for a coordinator position. Kwiatkowski, on the other hand...we may have a hard time keeping him around for much longer.

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:56 pm

************** Mslacat fans the flame ************

Dennis Erickson is rumored to be looking at taking the Ole Miss job.

How he get out of 49'er ville, or what impact this has on the topic of this thread, I do not know, but I thought this might keep the thread going a little longer!

BCATbread · Post by **BCATbread** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:02 pm

You will never see Kramer on the sidelines with Erickson. Dennis is a football genius and all Kramer really is, is a PR guy. Inside sources tell me Erickson doesn't think very highly of Kramers knowledge of the game.

BCATbread · Post by **BCATbread** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:14 pm

Remember, the class of '03, largly responsable for both BSC championships and griz beatings were not recruited by Kramer but by Cliff and his staff. Im not going for a complete Kramer bashing here but so many in here constantly have there nose burried in his ass so far they fail to see that the program really hasn't accomplished jack. The overall losing record speaks for itself.

suckitgriz · Post by **suckitgriz** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:23 pm

taking nothing away from Hysell, but Kramer has brought in some damn good players- Lulay, Junior, Joey, Aaron Hill (for one year)- and many more proven and unproven. Hysell was one hell of a nice guy and I respect him, but he lacked the PR presence that Kramer has. You would not see the amount of improvement that our program has seen if it were not for Kramer.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:25 pm

And yet another Griz fan finds a way to distract himself from their championship run long enough to come over here & spew a little "Christmas cheer"...

Classy bunch, aren't they?

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:27 pm

I would say that the starter were about half Cliff's (Ryno, Swags, Cordiero, Turnquist, Corey Smith), and half Kramer's (Lulay, Junior, Coop, Sebastian, Beau Clark, Joey, Kane....etc).....Not sure who recruited Montoya.

Also, the next year when we repeated was once again largely done with Kramer's recruits. If you're going to rip on Kramer about who he's recruited, you also have to give him credit for recruiting some high quality players.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:29 pm

BCATbread wrote:Remember, the class of '03, largly responsable for both BSC championships and griz beatings were not recruited by Kramer but by Cliff and his staff. Im not going for a complete Kramer bashing here but so many in here constantly have there nose burried in his ass so far they fail to see that the program really hasn't accomplished jack. The overall losing record speaks for itself.

Take out the 0-11 season and compare records. Also, Hysell never did win a Big Sky Championship or beat the Griz. If Kramer used his players, then why did he win 2 championships/beat the Griz twice? Coaching?

I've watched a lot of football in my time and the MSU team is as competitive as ANY team in the Big Sky. Every time MSU plays a Div-AA team or lower you know now that we have a shot at beating ANY team we play. That was not the same case for previous coaches since I've been here. The biggest knock I have on Kramer is the slow starts. I also think he likes to utilize the preseason a little more than most coaches to meld/get to know his players by conference time. Conference is #1 on his mind as that is how you get the automatic bid. Especially when we are playing these big money games (which we need to to pay off the debt) and starting with 1 loss etc. As a fan, I go into any game now knowing the CATS can win AND SHOULD WIN. That is a far cry from other teams previously in the last 15-20 years. Hysell did have some good teams though, but they were too up and down. Kramer last 3 years. BSC Championship, BSC Championship, 3rd place. Kramer did recruit Lulay (yeah, he is pretty damn good), Joey thomas, Roger Cooper, Bolton, gatewood, guinn, Sullivan, Grenphel, Lindsay, Fuller (going to be darn good) etc. etc. etc..

Bottom line, the program can improve YES, but it now has a very solid base/foundation in which to go from. I think this team next year assuming we get 2 good new DL guys can go a LONG WAYS next year.

Once you build a solid program, the bluechippers will start coming over and I think MSU is on the verge of that right now.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:30 pm

BCATbread wrote:Remember, the class of '03, largly responsable for both BSC championships and griz beatings were not recruited by Kramer but by Cliff and his staff. Im not going for a complete Kramer bashing here but so many in here constantly have there nose burried in his ass so far they fail to see that the program really hasn't accomplished jack. The overall losing record speaks for itself.

Take Lulay off those teams and see where we end up ...... ===> KRAMER recruit ... Kramer coached.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:40 pm

That about says it all. Coach is good for MSU and MSU is just the right fit for coach. He will take us back to where we belong and he won't sacrafice a thing by taking shortcuts. We will become the 1-AA power we should have, could have been this year.

Buttealum · Post by **Buttealum** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:42 pm

Hysell sucked. The only reason he looked even half-assed good is because he wouldn't leave and stuck around enough to have a few wins. Toooooo long. Toooooo old. Toooooo much chew in his mouth whenever he was interviewed. :-&

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:06 pm

lets give heysell his props - he built up the cats to the point where at least they won every other week - kramer kinda exploded that to 2 straight wins over the griz.

also - i expect him to leave - any good coach is crazy to stick around in the Big Sky (Pig sty??? lol) I say again - him and bobby hauck are going to be coaching in D1A schools in a couple of years - i just pray that kramer gives us a good trained replacement - the d - coordinator would be a good person.

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:28 pm

BCATbread wrote:Remember, the class of '03, largly responsable for both BSC championships and griz beatings were not recruited by Kramer but by Cliff and his staff. Im not going for a complete Kramer bashing here but so many in here constantly have there nose burried in his ass so far they fail to see that the program really hasn't accomplished jack. The overall losing record speaks for itself.

yaaa, the Cats haven't done jacksh!t under Kramer...Not 3 winning seasons in a row, not more fans in the stands, not more money into the ASA, not beating um, not winning the conference, and not going to the playoffs...pretty much a below-average accomplishment compared to the previous 15 years back to 1984.

Where're my tar and feathers!!!

This is hilarious.