Poll: The under and over rated payers

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:58 pm

Ok it is slow but I have my own little write in football poll of two questions:

1) Who do you feel is/was the most underated MSU football over the last 20 years.

2) Who do you feel is/was the most overrated MSU football over the last 20 years.

mquast53000 · Post by **mquast53000** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:39 pm

Brent Ludwig Center underrated

Corey Smith WR overrated

I have a ton of guys that I thought were both underrated and overrated.

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:46 pm

Underrated...Rob Tesch

Overrated...Lathian Tyler

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:00 pm

Underrated: Rob Tesch (one TOUGH/GRITTY wide receiver he was)

Overrated: Jimmy Beal

gtapp · Post by **gtapp** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:04 pm

Underrated: Ryan Elliot

Overrated: Marcel Dunn

WYCAT · Post by **WYCAT** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:12 pm

Underrated: Ryan Johnson - Bad Teams/Great Numbers/Good Kid

Overrated: Jimmy Beal - Touted as the next best thing/More bad memories than I care to remember

MQ - When you talk about Corey Smith are you limiting his overrated ranking to the WR role only. He was one hell of a return man? Just curious.

JahGriz · Post by **JahGriz** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:31 pm

Gotta agree on Tesch being tough and gritty. We hung out a bit at MSU, and I saw him in one or two fights, he was tough on and off the field. Quick as a cat too. On the field he was somewhat deceptively fast, and very hard to bring down.

Overrated 75% of all transfers.

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:35 pm

Over rated: Corey Smith as a reciever, and Chip Hobbs - Jimmy Beal even though Kramer was the only one I ever heard say anything positve about him.

Under rated: JC Murray, Kevin Lundstrom, John Winego (even though he was an all-american) and Earl Hanson (at least thats what my pops says)

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:37 pm

JahGriz wrote:Gotta agree on Tesch being tough and gritty. We hung out a bit at MSU, and I saw him in one or two fights, he was tough on and off the field. Quick as a cat too. On the field he was somewhat deceptively fast, and very hard to bring down.

Overrated 75% of all transfers.

Yeah, I used to work with him and he is very quick/feisty and a tough kid. Very good wrestler too. Very deceptive out there at WR.

mquast53000 · Post by **mquast53000** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:37 pm

WYCAT wrote:MQ - When you talk about Corey Smith are you limiting his overrated ranking to the WR role only. He was one hell of a return man?

Yes, I am talking about his WR time. He was a very good return man his senior year, and that made everyone think that he was a very good WR. I thought that he was not that impressive his junior year as a return man (Cory returned kicks when Junior was injured).

I would have to disagree with you on R.J. being underrated. I thought people's perspective on him were about right. He was not great, but he was better then average. He had a good line blocking for him.

Gary, I would have to say the hype around Dunn was unlike any hype before and after him. I think that was a learning experience for Kramer. He talked Dunn up so much, that he was destined for failure. Of course Dunn coming in 30lbs overweight didn't help. Dunn was the biggest flop I have ever heard MSU of having.

suckitgriz · Post by **suckitgriz** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:49 pm

Underrated- Paul Diercks, Lamont Bell
Overrated- Agreed- Lathian

PS- Chip, not overrated at all- he actually was incredible

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:01 pm

suckitgriz wrote:
PS- Chip, not overrated at all- he actually was incredible

I was wondering about that myself

Hobbs had awesome size and incredible body control going up and catching the ball. Those 2 awesome catches he had in that Wyoming game (they almost came back and won at the end) were SPECTACULAR.

goat · Post by **goat** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:14 pm

Underrated- Rob Compson, the guy was a rock at QB for his entire career.

Overrated-Farhaad Azimi- Was Kramer kidding when he was hyping this guy?

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:43 pm

goat wrote:Underrated- Rob Compson, the guy was a rock at QB for his entire career.

Overrated-Farhaad Azimi- Was Kramer kidding when he was hyping this guy?

agreed on Farhaad. but rob compson? try T.E. blake wolf... rock his entire career and the reason why luley did what he did last year

mquast53000 · Post by **mquast53000** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:50 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:agreed on Farhaad. but rob compson? try T.E. blake wolf... rock his entire career and the reason why luley did what he did last year

Well I have said it more then once, but Farhaad wasn't as bad as people think he was. That was the 2000 season when just about every upperclassman quit. Farhaad's o-line consisted of 4 o-linemen that never played in any games in 1999. Farhaad was set up to fail.

I really think that Blake Wolf was almost overrated. He was an average to poor blocker, and had average hands.

Compson had a great arm, but had little mobility. I always thought that he was a good QB for the Cats. He didn't beat you with his feet, but he would beat you with his arm. I would agree that he was underrated.

BobcatLionFan · Post by **BobcatLionFan** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:14 pm

I don't agree with Blake Wolf being almost under achieving. He played tough while hurt last year. Made a lot of improvement. Remember him playing RT the year before last at Weber State. For never playing there, did a very good job playing out of position (because guys were hurt and also left behind in Bozeman because of a fight). He made some tough catches last year. So I wouldn't call him overrated. Just a tough player that put it all on the line for the team. Any recognition he got beyond his abilities is not his problem. He came to play.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:26 pm

Helcat72 wrote:
Overrated...Lathian Tyler

Was he the one with the long TD catch and run in the 97 Griz-Cat game?

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:45 am

That might have been Kenyatte Morgan

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:56 am

Helcat72 wrote:That might have been Kenyatte Morgan

Okay that's right. I dont know much about the Cat players but he was a really good athlete.