Hauck Vs. Kramer

[Savage Paw]

I know many Griz wish that many Griz fans wish we would have hired Kramer for head coach. I'm one of them and know others. Does anyone in the Bobcat Nation wish you had hired Hauck?

[CARDIAC_CATS]

I know many Griz wish that many Griz fans wish we would have hired Kramer for head coach. I'm one of them and know others. Does anyone in the Bobcat Nation wish you had hired Hauck?

No

[Slackjaw]

no

[mslacat]

I know many Griz wish that many Griz fans wish we would have hired Kramer for head coach. I'm one of them and know others. Does anyone in the Bobcat Nation wish you had hired Hauck?

I have never coveted Hauck. When he was hire I really thought he was too, green. During his tenure he has done nothing but tick me off as a Bobcat Alumn., as a Missoula native I have found him aloof and full of himself.

Glen though, I was very intrugued from the start of his hire. I though he was a gratious man, slightly to rah rah for me, but I always enjoyed talking to him seeing him perform at the mall, and i reapected him a great deal as a very good coach.

Hauck has not convinced me that the Griz are as good as they are because of him or inspite of him. I need a few more year yet. If I was a Bigger school looking for a coach I would wonder whether he is the next coming of Glen or Dennehy.

[WYCAT]

Hell No!

[Cat Pride]

I know many Griz wish that many Griz fans wish we would have hired Kramer for head coach. I'm one of them and know others. Does anyone in the Bobcat Nation wish you had hired Hauck?

I think Hauck's recruiting skills are unmatched in the BSC, but as a coach, he has a lot of improving to do both with his Xs and Os as well as his PR relations. He is still very green in terms of experience, and I think he could become a top flight coach, but he's got a ways to go still.

This season may or may not tell of his coaching abilities. You could look at it a couple ways.

1.) If the Griz (extremely high preseason ranking) dont make playoffs, is it because they didnt live up to expectations or because they were over-hyped. Young and over-hyped IMO.

2.) If the Griz do make the playoffs, is it because Hauck did an amazing coaching job this year or because their depth and talent is really that good. I give Hauck major kudos as a coach if this Griz team makes the playoffs in '05.

[94VegasCat]

ummmmmmmmmmmmmm.............


NO

[CelticCat]

I personally don't think Hauck could have succeeded anywhere but at a school that already had a winning tradition. If he had to turn around a program, I don't think he would have been quite as successful.

[CARDIAC_CATS]

I personally don't think Hauck could have succeeded anywhere but at a school that already had a winning tradition. If he had to turn around a program, I don't think he would have been quite as successful.

My thoughts exactly. And it is yet to be seen if he is the best 1-AA recruiter. He pretty much has most of his guys playing this year so we'll see.

[GFGriz]

I know many Griz wish that many Griz fans wish we would have hired Kramer for head coach. I'm one of them and know others. Does anyone in the Bobcat Nation wish you had hired Hauck?

Savage is dilusional, perhaps the victim of multiple-personality disorder. He may even have convinced himself he's a Griz fan. The "many Griz fans" he's referring to who "wish we would have hired Kramer for head coach" are all in his own little head. Kind of like Gollum. I know a lot of Griz fans who are amused by Coach Kramer, but since the time he was hired by the 'Cats, the Griz have been to the NC game repeatedly. Nobody in Missoula would trade that away. When Coach Glenn left, I never even heard Coach Kramer's name mentioned as a possible replacement. Does anyone on this board have evidence that Coach Kramer was on Montana's radar? I doubt it. No offense to Coach Kramer, mind you, but the Griz are happy with their coaches.

[CelticCat]

I think Hauck has the potential to be a very solid coach, but this year and next year will be the true signs of that. Now that his recruits are a majority, if not all of the starters, we'll see. I think the Griz will be fine under his reign, unlike a lot of you Cat fans. It is pretty hard to screw up the tradition at UM, and also very hard to lose recruits because the Griz are just about as good as it gets in most aspects in IAA. It would take a real moron to crash that Caddy.

[94VegasCat]

I know many Griz wish that many Griz fans wish we would have hired Kramer for head coach. I'm one of them and know others. Does anyone in the Bobcat Nation wish you had hired Hauck?

When Coach Glenn left, I never even heard Coach Kramer's name mentioned as a possible replacement. Does anyone on this board have evidence that Coach Kramer was on Montana's radar? I doubt it. No offense to Coach Kramer, mind you, but the Griz are happy with their coaches.

I know a few griz insiders, yes Kramer was on the radar. He was being courted by the griz as well. I beleive it was all in the timing. I think he had just taken the job with the CATS when the griz called to ask.

[wbtfg]

I would rather have Robin Potera than Hauck.

[JahGriz]

I would not take Kramer over Glenn. Specially considering with Glenn comes Breske, who in my opinion was one of the best DC's the sky has seen. And he can win with almost anyone you give him. He never had great LB's to work with, had significant injuries at DL and DB to work thru, and still won a lot. The D was never the problem when Breske was here. I'd bet if the cats had Breske as their DC last year, the end of their year would have looked a lot different.

[HelenaCat95]

I know many Griz wish that many Griz fans wish we would have hired Kramer for head coach. I'm one of them and know others. Does anyone in the Bobcat Nation wish you had hired Hauck?

When Coach Glenn left, I never even heard Coach Kramer's name mentioned as a possible replacement. Does anyone on this board have evidence that Coach Kramer was on Montana's radar? I doubt it. No offense to Coach Kramer, mind you, but the Griz are happy with their coaches.

I know a few griz insiders, yes Kramer was on the radar. He was being courted by the griz as well. I beleive it was all in the timing. I think he had just taken the job with the CATS when the griz called to ask.

I don't believe Kramer was on UM's radar when Glenn left, but when Glenn was hired by UM.

Thus, this really isn't a legitimate question. Neither school had to make the choice of hiring Hauck OR Kramer. Each school made their choice based on who was available, and the circumstances at the time.

Personally, I'm very happy with Kramer....and don't particularly like Hauck. But I can see why UM fans are happy with him. He's a good recruiter, and hasn't screwed up a good program.........yet.

[Cat Pride]

I would not take Kramer over Glenn. Specially considering with Glenn comes Breske, who in my opinion was one of the best DC's the sky has seen. And he can win with almost anyone you give him. He never had great LB's to work with, had significant injuries at DL and DB to work thru, and still won a lot. The D was never the problem when Breske was here. I'd bet if the cats had Breske as their DC last year, the end of their year would have looked a lot different.

I'd take Glenn over Coach K too. Breske is something special as well, but I'd put our DC (Kwiatkoski) on the same level. Is there something about good DCs end their last names in "...ski's..." During Breske's tenure at UM, MSU's defense was #1 in conference all but one year - their 0-11 season in 2000. Nothing short of Jesus, Moses, Buddha and Allah themselves playing for the Cats D last year would have stopped the bleeding. Even with the collapse in the final 3 games, the Cats still had the #4 defense in conference.

[mslacat]

One of my very good friends is a Griz insider. He often gives me leads on comings and goings in Griz land. He owns 7 season basketball tickets, even though 2 of his kids are no longer in Missoula. If there is a special fundraiser, he usually is involved in the event one way or another. His office is Burgundy walls and Grey trim. Signed National Championship posters, signed footballs and Basketball, and a Grizzly bronze decorate his office.. His SUV is Burgundy.

He is fully aware that I am a Bobcat. At least once a month during the football season, he will say I still really wish we would have hired Kramer instead of Glenn. As a matter of fact I was giving him such a bad time about this that he said with a smile on his face that there was a small secret underground faction of the Griz faithful hold this opinion.

[CatFamily]

Absolutely NOT... anybody could recruit for the Griz with the facililty and recent tradition they have built. Many Kudos for UM ... but Hauck for Kramer... not in your life. Hauck is just pure lucky he fell into that position... as would anybody at that time.

[CARDIAC_CATS]

I would not take Kramer over Glenn. Specially considering with Glenn comes Breske, who in my opinion was one of the best DC's the sky has seen. And he can win with almost anyone you give him. He never had great LB's to work with, had significant injuries at DL and DB to work thru, and still won a lot. The D was never the problem when Breske was here. I'd bet if the cats had Breske as their DC last year, the end of their year would have looked a lot different.

I'd take Glenn over Coach K too. Breske is something special as well, but I'd put our DC (Kwiatkoski) on the same level. Is there something about good DCs end their last names in "...ski's..." During Breske's tenure at UM, MSU's defense was #1 in conference all but one year - their 0-11 season in 2000. Nothing short of Jesus, Moses, Buddha and Allah themselves playing for the Cats D last year would have stopped the bleeding. Even with the collapse in the final 3 games, the Cats still had the #4 defense in conference.

Breske was good, but did he have 3 #1 ranked defenses in a row in the big sky? 2 of which yardeage wise ranked in top 10 best years ever for defenses? Coach Kwiatoski is a heck of DC coach. You can maybe factor in the Griz depth over other Big Sky teams as being the main reason Breskes defense were competive with injuries as well. The Griz are usually 2 deep and even 3 deep in some spots versus other BSC programs. The Bobcats are increasing that way every year and now seem to have very good depth at most positions, but not all like the Griz usually have.

[Cat Pride]

During Breske's tenure at UM, MSU's defense was #1 in conference all but one year - their 0-11 season in 2000. Nothing short of Jesus, Moses, Buddha and Allah themselves playing for the Cats D last year would have stopped the bleeding. Even with the collapse in the final 3 games, the Cats still had the #4 defense in conference.

Breske was good, but did he have 3 #1 ranked defenses in a row in the big sky?

MSU did have the #1 ranked defense 3 years running in the Big Sky.