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That may say more about the state of UNM's program than it says about where high school talent is going.
Well, we will find out about "big."mslacatfan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 10:15 amLooking over that list of transfers…. Pretty underwhelming. Wasn’t really one addition on that list that stood out to me as a “big” signing.
The rb from Iowa State sounds good. The OL signees are almost all from FCS schools and not particularly strong ones. Seems like Mendenhall is trying to build some depth which is very important for spring ball.mslacatfan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 10:15 amLooking over that list of transfers…. Pretty underwhelming. Wasn’t really one addition on that list that stood out to me as a “big” signing.
Just guessing but with the portal maybe the FCS teams will be picking up the talented HS prospects and developing them a bit. If someone shows a lot of promise after their redhirt and freshmen year they will move on an FBS team. We're going to be like the JV squad in HS.
Maybe like jv squad if playing FBS teams all season. But likely find in FCS.seataccat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:29 amJust guessing but with the portal maybe the FCS teams will be picking up the talented HS prospects and developing them a bit. If someone shows a lot of promise after their redhirt and freshmen year they will move on an FBS team. We're going to be like the JV squad in HS.
Right now, you've got hundreds if not thousands of players floating around out there with extra years of eligibility from 2020. FBS teams are making use of the transfer portal to pick off the best of that talent and focusing less on signing high school players who they'd need to develop for a year or two (or more) before they see the field. This is an opportunity for schools like MSU to go after some very good high school players who in a non-Covid world would likely have had more or better FBS offers. My guess is that after 2025 when all of the Covid players will be out of eligibility, we'll see things go back closer to normal with far fewer players transferring multiple times or as grad transfers. The FCS will certainly continue to act somewhat as a farm system, with players like Omar and Valdez who have FBS talent but slipped through the cracks in their initial recruitment having the chance to move up if they choose.seataccat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:29 amJust guessing but with the portal maybe the FCS teams will be picking up the talented HS prospects and developing them a bit. If someone shows a lot of promise after their redhirt and freshmen year they will move on an FBS team. We're going to be like the JV squad in HS.
Yes, and Vigen actually talked about this and commented that we were able to a higher level of talent with out high school kids than in years past, because the FBS teams were going after more portal players versus HS. I agree this will level back a bit after all the covid stuff is done, but it's forever changed now with the portal and NIL.MSU01 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:20 pmRight now, you've got hundreds if not thousands of players floating around out there with extra years of eligibility from 2020. FBS teams are making use of the transfer portal to pick off the best of that talent and focusing less on signing high school players who they'd need to develop for a year or two (or more) before they see the field. This is an opportunity for schools like MSU to go after some very good high school players who in a non-Covid world would likely have had more or better FBS offers. My guess is that after 2025 when all of the Covid players will be out of eligibility, we'll see things go back closer to normal with far fewer players transferring multiple times or as grad transfers. The FCS will certainly continue to act somewhat as a farm system, with players like Omar and Valdez who have FBS talent but slipped through the cracks in their initial recruitment having the chance to move up if they choose.seataccat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:29 amJust guessing but with the portal maybe the FCS teams will be picking up the talented HS prospects and developing them a bit. If someone shows a lot of promise after their redhirt and freshmen year they will move on an FBS team. We're going to be like the JV squad in HS.
Have we picked up high school recruits during Vigen's tenure that we wouldn't have pre-portal/NIL? There have always been guys we've gotten because FBS teams didn't look at them or believe in them but are we really getting guys that those teams would have signed in the "old days"? To me it's more likely that G5 teams will get better/more high school recruits and we'll only be minorly impacted.catatac wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:19 pmYes, and Vigen actually talked about this and commented that we were able to a higher level of talent with out high school kids than in years past, because the FBS teams were going after more portal players versus HS. I agree this will level back a bit after all the covid stuff is done, but it's forever changed now with the portal and NIL.MSU01 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:20 pmRight now, you've got hundreds if not thousands of players floating around out there with extra years of eligibility from 2020. FBS teams are making use of the transfer portal to pick off the best of that talent and focusing less on signing high school players who they'd need to develop for a year or two (or more) before they see the field. This is an opportunity for schools like MSU to go after some very good high school players who in a non-Covid world would likely have had more or better FBS offers. My guess is that after 2025 when all of the Covid players will be out of eligibility, we'll see things go back closer to normal with far fewer players transferring multiple times or as grad transfers. The FCS will certainly continue to act somewhat as a farm system, with players like Omar and Valdez who have FBS talent but slipped through the cracks in their initial recruitment having the chance to move up if they choose.seataccat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:29 amJust guessing but with the portal maybe the FCS teams will be picking up the talented HS prospects and developing them a bit. If someone shows a lot of promise after their redhirt and freshmen year they will move on an FBS team. We're going to be like the JV squad in HS.
When you look at how young the O-Line is (as the big example) I'd say yes. Having had great coaches & good transfer success over the last few years makes MSU a really appealing option for a HS student looking at a place to develop for a couple years.coloradocat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 6:03 pmHave we picked up high school recruits during Vigen's tenure that we wouldn't have pre-portal/NIL? There have always been guys we've gotten because FBS teams didn't look at them or believe in them but are we really getting guys that those teams would have signed in the "old days"? To me it's more likely that G5 teams will get better/more high school recruits and we'll only be minorly impacted.catatac wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:19 pmYes, and Vigen actually talked about this and commented that we were able to a higher level of talent with out high school kids than in years past, because the FBS teams were going after more portal players versus HS. I agree this will level back a bit after all the covid stuff is done, but it's forever changed now with the portal and NIL.MSU01 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:20 pmRight now, you've got hundreds if not thousands of players floating around out there with extra years of eligibility from 2020. FBS teams are making use of the transfer portal to pick off the best of that talent and focusing less on signing high school players who they'd need to develop for a year or two (or more) before they see the field. This is an opportunity for schools like MSU to go after some very good high school players who in a non-Covid world would likely have had more or better FBS offers. My guess is that after 2025 when all of the Covid players will be out of eligibility, we'll see things go back closer to normal with far fewer players transferring multiple times or as grad transfers. The FCS will certainly continue to act somewhat as a farm system, with players like Omar and Valdez who have FBS talent but slipped through the cracks in their initial recruitment having the chance to move up if they choose.seataccat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:29 amJust guessing but with the portal maybe the FCS teams will be picking up the talented HS prospects and developing them a bit. If someone shows a lot of promise after their redhirt and freshmen year they will move on an FBS team. We're going to be like the JV squad in HS.
Ah! I knew I was missing something.
Glad someone asked, I’ve been scratching my head for days…wbtfg wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2024 5:06 pmAh! I knew I was missing something.
