They release their midseason rankings tomorrow. Can't find anything on if its top 8? 10? all 16 seeds? In the past it was a top 10 so lets do that.
1. NDSU
2. MSU
3. SDSU
4. Davis
5. USD
6. SEMO
7. Tarleton St
8. URI
9. Mercer
10. UIW
They will put the best CAA team in despite probably not belonging. UIW sneaks in because UMs loss to Weber is as ugly as Molly Russell's wort, I mean her growth, her tumor.
They release their midseason rankings tomorrow. Can't find anything on if its top 8? 10? all 16 seeds? In the past it was a top 10 so lets do that.
1. NDSU
2. MSU
3. SDSU
4. Davis
5. USD
6. SEMO
7. Tarleton St
8. URI
9. Mercer
10. UIW
They will put the best CAA team in despite probably not belonging. UIW sneaks in because UMs loss to Weber is as ugly as Molly Russell's wort, I mean her growth, her tumor.
I don't know who this references. I googled it and got something about a London teenager that committed suicide. Please explain the reference.
They release their midseason rankings tomorrow. Can't find anything on if its top 8? 10? all 16 seeds? In the past it was a top 10 so lets do that.
1. NDSU
2. MSU
3. SDSU
4. Davis
5. USD
6. SEMO
7. Tarleton St
8. URI
9. Mercer
10. UIW
They will put the best CAA team in despite probably not belonging. UIW sneaks in because UMs loss to Weber is as ugly as Molly Russell's wort, I mean her growth, her tumor.
I don't know who this references. I googled it and got something about a London teenager that committed suicide. Please explain the reference.
Not sure what you googled but when I google I get an entire page of John Candy being funny. I watched Uncle Buck far to many times as a kid.
They will be. I don't think Rhode Island makes the list.
Re: October 30th Committee ranking
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 12:41 pm
by RangeCat
Just so everyone knows, the selection committee WILL NOT be using the coaches or media poll for selections.
They will instead be using KPI, Massey Ratings, and ESPN’s Football Power Index. The ESPN FPI is not available to the public. The KPI Ratings are...interesting.
If they are going purely based off of these ratings, I think MSU will come in at #3, unless the ESPN FPI has us at #1 or #2.
Just so everyone knows, the selection committee WILL NOT be using the coaches or media poll for selections.
They will instead be using KPI, Massey Ratings, and ESPN’s Football Power Index. The ESPN FPI is not available to the public. The KPI Ratings are...interesting.
If they are going purely based off of these ratings, I think MSU will come in at #3, unless the ESPN FPI has us at #1 or #2.
This place is going to absolutely explode if the rankings even suggest that the committee actually took into account the computer ranking that says that DRAKE is a better team than SDSU and MSU. And rightfully so.
Just so everyone knows, the selection committee WILL NOT be using the coaches or media poll for selections.
They will instead be using KPI, Massey Ratings, and ESPN’s Football Power Index. The ESPN FPI is not available to the public. The KPI Ratings are...interesting.
If they are going purely based off of these ratings, I think MSU will come in at #3, unless the ESPN FPI has us at #1 or #2.
This place is going to absolutely explode if the rankings even suggest that the committee actually took into account the computer ranking that says that DRAKE is a better team than SDSU and MSU. And rightfully so.
Hey now. Not just any team can come into Cheney and win!
Just so everyone knows, the selection committee WILL NOT be using the coaches or media poll for selections.
They will instead be using KPI, Massey Ratings, and ESPN’s Football Power Index. The ESPN FPI is not available to the public. The KPI Ratings are...interesting.
If they are going purely based off of these ratings, I think MSU will come in at #3, unless the ESPN FPI has us at #1 or #2.
“The committee was focused on expanding the use of metrics-based tools to replace the polls we had used in years past,” HERO Sports was told. “We were able to get those three on board to give us a good mix of both predictive (Massey & FPI) and results (KPI & SOS) based metrics.”
Hold on though, every time a ratings system is brought up here (Massey and SOS specifically), more than one poster has to point out how worthless they are, they don’t matter, they don’t make sense, they don’t tell us anything, etc…
So again, they are not the only thing that matters and nothing is a perfect snapshot of exactly how each team stacks up, but they are clearly an important part of the equation the committee takes into consideration, for better or for worse.
Just so everyone knows, the selection committee WILL NOT be using the coaches or media poll for selections.
They will instead be using KPI, Massey Ratings, and ESPN’s Football Power Index. The ESPN FPI is not available to the public. The KPI Ratings are...interesting.
If they are going purely based off of these ratings, I think MSU will come in at #3, unless the ESPN FPI has us at #1 or #2.
If all of our opponents past and future continue to win and we don’t lose, we’ll be top 2
Not sure what this means? All of our opponents - past and future can’t all continue to win because a) some of them play each other ( um, Davis, sac state, etc) and b) some are horrible ( Utah tech , UNC) and will continue losing.
I think it is now possible, although not probable, the Cats could end up #3 based on these newest criteria. More on that later but we will definitely have a lower SOS, Massey rating, KPI and ESPN power rating than SDSU if we both win out. The only items in the list we will have over SDSU is record and # of D1 wins (12 vs 9) which is something of value. Sure would be a travesty. Let’s see what comes out this week on the top 10.
If all of our opponents past and future continue to win and we don’t lose, we’ll be top 2
Not sure what this means? All of our opponents - past and future can’t all continue to win because a) some of them play each other ( um, Davis, sac state, etc) and b) some are horrible ( Utah tech , UNC) and will continue losing.
I think it is now possible, although not probable, the Cats could end up #3 based on these newest criteria. More on that later but we will definitely have a lower SOS, Massey rating, KPI and ESPN power rating than SDSU if we both win out. The only items in the list we will have over SDSU is record and # of D1 wins (12 vs 9) which is something of value. Sure would be a travesty. Let’s see what comes out this week on the top 10.
Are you sure about this? That doesn't seem right..... but what do I know. I'll await the detailed breakdown. Cats at 12-0 would have several high quality, top ten wins, in addition to the FBS win.
If all of our opponents past and future continue to win and we don’t lose, we’ll be top 2
Not sure what this means? All of our opponents - past and future can’t all continue to win because a) some of them play each other ( um, Davis, sac state, etc) and b) some are horrible ( Utah tech , UNC) and will continue losing.
I think it is now possible, although not probable, the Cats could end up #3 based on these newest criteria. More on that later but we will definitely have a lower SOS, Massey rating, KPI and ESPN power rating than SDSU if we both win out. The only items in the list we will have over SDSU is record and # of D1 wins (12 vs 9) which is something of value. Sure would be a travesty. Let’s see what comes out this week on the top 10.
Are you sure about this? That doesn't seem right..... but what do I know. I'll await the detailed breakdown. Cats at 12-0 would have several high quality, top ten wins, in addition to the FBS win.
If you're talking about strength of schedule, SDSU will most definitely finish with a better one than MSU. They still play on the road against North Dakota and Missouri State, one of which is ranked and the other would be ranked if they were eligible. That said, I don't think it will matter IF MSU goes 12-0. I have a very hard time seeing MSU with 12 D-1 wins being seeded below SDSU with 9. A very, very hard time seeing that. Perhaps the committee's Top 10 ranking will prove me wrong tomorrow, but I think MSU is more likely to be #1 than #3 as long as they don't lose.
Re: October 30th Committee ranking
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:31 pm
by CodyCat
Sam Herder has said multiple times that he sees a 12-0 Cats team no lower than #2 with a really solid argument for #1
If all of our opponents past and future continue to win and we don’t lose, we’ll be top 2
Not sure what this means? All of our opponents - past and future can’t all continue to win because a) some of them play each other ( um, Davis, sac state, etc) and b) some are horrible ( Utah tech , UNC) and will continue losing.
I think it is now possible, although not probable, the Cats could end up #3 based on these newest criteria. More on that later but we will definitely have a lower SOS, Massey rating, KPI and ESPN power rating than SDSU if we both win out. The only items in the list we will have over SDSU is record and # of D1 wins (12 vs 9) which is something of value. Sure would be a travesty. Let’s see what comes out this week on the top 10.
Are you sure about this? That doesn't seem right..... but what do I know. I'll await the detailed breakdown. Cats at 12-0 would have several high quality, top ten wins, in addition to the FBS win.
If you're talking about strength of schedule, SDSU will most definitely finish with a better one than MSU. They still play on the road against North Dakota and Missouri State, one of which is ranked and the other would be ranked if they were eligible. That said, I don't think it will matter IF MSU goes 12-0. I have a very hard time seeing MSU with 12 D-1 wins being seeded below SDSU with 9. A very, very hard time seeing that. Perhaps the committee's Top 10 ranking will prove me wrong tomorrow, but I think MSU is more likely to be #1 than #3 as long as they don't lose.
I'm talking about the bolded part where the poster said that Cats will DEFINITELY fall below SDSU in all four of those things if both win out. I don't think that's a given. Also, I agree with you, and Herder, and many others that the Cats control their own destiny in terms of securing either the #1 or #2 seed. If the Cats win out and do not end up at #1 or #2, I would be absolutely shocked. In fact if anyone wants to place a bet on that, please PM me.
If all of our opponents past and future continue to win and we don’t lose, we’ll be top 2
Not sure what this means? All of our opponents - past and future can’t all continue to win because a) some of them play each other ( um, Davis, sac state, etc) and b) some are horrible ( Utah tech , UNC) and will continue losing.
I think it is now possible, although not probable, the Cats could end up #3 based on these newest criteria. More on that later but we will definitely have a lower SOS, Massey rating, KPI and ESPN power rating than SDSU if we both win out. The only items in the list we will have over SDSU is record and # of D1 wins (12 vs 9) which is something of value. Sure would be a travesty. Let’s see what comes out this week on the top 10.
Are you sure about this? That doesn't seem right..... but what do I know. I'll await the detailed breakdown. Cats at 12-0 would have several high quality, top ten wins, in addition to the FBS win.
According to Massey, the Cats SSF (strength of schedule with future games factored in) gets up to 24th by the end of the season. Still will likely be the “weakest” SOS of the top 10, but not by a ton. The 24th hardest schedule isn’t exactly a cake walk, especially if the Cats get through it undefeated.
If all of our opponents past and future continue to win and we don’t lose, we’ll be top 2
Not sure what this means? All of our opponents - past and future can’t all continue to win because a) some of them play each other ( um, Davis, sac state, etc) and b) some are horrible ( Utah tech , UNC) and will continue losing.
I think it is now possible, although not probable, the Cats could end up #3 based on these newest criteria. More on that later but we will definitely have a lower SOS, Massey rating, KPI and ESPN power rating than SDSU if we both win out. The only items in the list we will have over SDSU is record and # of D1 wins (12 vs 9) which is something of value. Sure would be a travesty. Let’s see what comes out this week on the top 10.
Are you sure about this? That doesn't seem right..... but what do I know. I'll await the detailed breakdown. Cats at 12-0 would have several high quality, top ten wins, in addition to the FBS win.
According to Massey, the Cats SSF (strength of schedule with future games factored in) gets up to 24th by the end of the season. Still will likely be the “weakest” SOS of the top 10, but not by a ton. The 24th hardest schedule isn’t exactly a cake walk, especially if the Cats get through it undefeated.
Thanks, and I don't pretend to know exactly how all the metrics work, but hypothetically if SDSU and MSU both win out, but the remaining SDSU wins are one point squeakers and the Cats blow out all four opponents by 40, including UCD and UM..... I'd have a hard time believing the Cats still land below SDSU in SOS, Massey, KPI, AND ESPN Power Rating.
If all of our opponents past and future continue to win and we don’t lose, we’ll be top 2
Not sure what this means? All of our opponents - past and future can’t all continue to win because a) some of them play each other ( um, Davis, sac state, etc) and b) some are horrible ( Utah tech , UNC) and will continue losing.
I think it is now possible, although not probable, the Cats could end up #3 based on these newest criteria. More on that later but we will definitely have a lower SOS, Massey rating, KPI and ESPN power rating than SDSU if we both win out. The only items in the list we will have over SDSU is record and # of D1 wins (12 vs 9) which is something of value. Sure would be a travesty. Let’s see what comes out this week on the top 10.
Are you sure about this? That doesn't seem right..... but what do I know. I'll await the detailed breakdown. Cats at 12-0 would have several high quality, top ten wins, in addition to the FBS win.
According to Massey, the Cats SSF (strength of schedule with future games factored in) gets up to 24th by the end of the season. Still will likely be the “weakest” SOS of the top 10, but not by a ton. The 24th hardest schedule isn’t exactly a cake walk, especially if the Cats get through it undefeated.
Thanks, and I don't pretend to know exactly how all the metrics work, but hypothetically if SDSU and MSU both win out, but the remaining SDSU wins are one point squeakers and the Cats blow out all four opponents by 40, including UCD and UM..... I'd have a hard time believing the Cats still land below SDSU in SOS, Massey, KPI, AND ESPN Power Rating.
Evening if they do, I'd assume the committee is also allowed to use their brains
If all of our opponents past and future continue to win and we don’t lose, we’ll be top 2
Not sure what this means? All of our opponents - past and future can’t all continue to win because a) some of them play each other ( um, Davis, sac state, etc) and b) some are horrible ( Utah tech , UNC) and will continue losing.
I think it is now possible, although not probable, the Cats could end up #3 based on these newest criteria. More on that later but we will definitely have a lower SOS, Massey rating, KPI and ESPN power rating than SDSU if we both win out. The only items in the list we will have over SDSU is record and # of D1 wins (12 vs 9) which is something of value. Sure would be a travesty. Let’s see what comes out this week on the top 10.
Are you sure about this? That doesn't seem right..... but what do I know. I'll await the detailed breakdown. Cats at 12-0 would have several high quality, top ten wins, in addition to the FBS win.
According to Massey, the Cats SSF (strength of schedule with future games factored in) gets up to 24th by the end of the season. Still will likely be the “weakest” SOS of the top 10, but not by a ton. The 24th hardest schedule isn’t exactly a cake walk, especially if the Cats get through it undefeated.
Thanks, and I don't pretend to know exactly how all the metrics work, but hypothetically if SDSU and MSU both win out, but the remaining SDSU wins are one point squeakers and the Cats blow out all four opponents by 40, including UCD and UM..... I'd have a hard time believing the Cats still land below SDSU in SOS, Massey, KPI, AND ESPN Power Rating.
Evening if they do, I'd assume the committee is also allowed to use their brains
Not an expert so some clarification. First, assuming SDSU wins are similar to MSU wins in last four games in terms of close ones and blowouts. Second, everything I know about Massey and KPI, at this point in the season, teams don’t usually move ahead of other teams unless the higher ranked team loses. Third, we both have two ranked teams and two unranked teams on the schedule. Finally, I said it was possible not probable. I do believe the committee can use their heads and the 12 D1 wins will mean something. I suppose my bigger concern is a 11-1 Cars team vs 10-2 Jacks team.
